Peytons supporting cast

#152
#152
KBVol said:
That's all you got? One loss to an obviously physically superior team and a 15-4 team that played in the SB is comical? Ok.
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Relax. We all laughed at the funny pics and vids of Brady 2 weeks ago. What comes around, goes around. It's all fun.
 
#153
#153
KBVol said:
That's all you got? One loss to an obviously physically superior team and a 15-4 team that played in the SB is comical? Ok.
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Holy Christ, loosen your panties. I think we are all Peyton fans for the most part.
 
#154
#154
The better team won. Seattle got pressure on Manning without having to blitz. Denver needed to play with a lead and have Seattle chase them to win and that didn't happen. The Seahawks just beat up the Broncos in every phase of the game. I still think Manning is the best QB of all time.
 
#155
#155
knoxvols11 said:
Seems to me that over the years he hasn't had big time talent surrounding him-that he made average or mediocre players better. Moreno is an example as are a few others. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he had Kent and Nash to throw to but they weren't what they were without him. Now, I think Faulk was good and he clicked with Harrison but other than Jamal when he was a frosh Manning has been making his own success!
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Dont agree at all. Peyton got Hawks in his face all night long. The rush on him was awesome. Give all the credit to the Hawk defense and all the negative to Peyton's line. Peyton is so humble and just grins and takes this crap.
 
#156
#156
Peyton doesn't like to get hit anymore, no one likes to get hit but more so than before, because of his neck. To compensate he throws the ball much quicker than before. Seattle kept giving him one open guy 3 to 5 yards down field over the middle, pressure got close, Peyton throws short middle, MLB makes tackle or breaks up pass. If the Broncos could have kept the game close this may have been okay but once the score became 29-0 there was no way moving the ball 3 or 4 yards at a time was going to work. Seattle did a good job of game planning the Bronco's offense.
 
#157
#157
Boca Vol said:
I was thinking the same thing. Somehow this horrible supporting cast put Manning in the record book.
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How many of these supporting casts have or will have made the hall of fame and of those, how many woukd have made it had he not been their QB? I still say Lewis was the best FB player at any level that he had that was good not because Peyton made him good!
 
#158
#158
His supporting cast will not get better next year. This was Denver's best shot.
 
#159
#159
If you watched the game, Peyton had one bad throw, and the other INT was due to his arm being hit due to poor OL blocking, and this one led to 7pts. The OL was a problem all night. Otherwise, he managed to throw a TD and had a 75% completion percentage.

To the posters that realize and analyze that the Seahawks exploited the weaknesses of Denver's secondary, ST's, and the DL of the Seahawks outplayed a poorly blocking Denver OL, you got it right. The the poster's whose analysis is that Peyton "choked," incorrect. Of course the uninformed media will say this, but that is just them talking about what they think people will want to hear..."storylines" if you will.

Really, Seattle's gameplan was better, adjustments were better, & execution was better. Specifically their ST's, secondary turning over Thomas, DL outscheming and outplaying the Denver OL. Essentially it was Denver's worst game as a team of the year at the worst time. A perfect storm of bad for Denver, and everything went right for Seattle. Very inexplicable. Reminded me of those amazing Bills teams of the early '90's that just seemed to have nothing go right in any Super Bowl except against the Giants, which was probably the best Super Bowl in history.
 
#160
#160
here's the deal with manning....imo.

if you give him the things that any qb needs.....pass protection, receivers to get separation, etc.....he can do more with that than maybe anyone who ever played the game.

if you deny him those things, he doesn't make plays that overcome that. his "greatness" doesn't overcome lack of pass protection, receivers being covered, etc, etc.

he generally doesn't make that unbelievable throw with a db right on top of the wr as he is about to be drilled by a defensive end.

that's not a criticism because you shouldn't be able to do that.

but, the point is that a lot of times a player's greatness is judged on his ability to get his team overcome the liabilities of his teammates.

so, if there's a honest criticism of manning, it's that despite how good he may be.....he is just like every other human....if his teammates ain't getting it done, neither does he.

now the weird thing is during this super bowl, i do not think his passes had the zip on them that was there all year and i don't know why.
 
#161
#161
Orange to the Bay said:
If you watched the game, Peyton had one bad throw, and the other INT was due to his arm being hit due to poor OL blocking, and this one led to 7pts. The OL was a problem all night. Otherwise, he managed to throw a TD and had a 75% completion percentage.

To the posters that realize and analyze that the Seahawks exploited the weaknesses of Denver's secondary, ST's, and the DL of the Seahawks outplayed a poorly blocking Denver OL, you got it right. The the poster's whose analysis is that Peyton "choked," incorrect. Of course the uninformed media will say this, but that is just them talking about what they think people will want to hear..."storylines" if you will.

Really, Seattle's gameplan was better, adjustments were better, & execution was better. Specifically their ST's, secondary turning over Thomas, DL outscheming and outplaying the Denver OL. Essentially it was Denver's worst game as a team of the year at the worst time. A perfect storm of bad for Denver, and everything went right for Seattle. Very inexplicable. Reminded me of those amazing Bills teams of the early '90's that just seemed to have nothing go right in any Super Bowl except against the Giants, which was probably the best Super Bowl in history.
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Come on, most of those completions were small gainers Seattle had no problem giving up, and that TD was well after it was decided.

His QB rating was 24.4, worst since Grossman.
 
#162
#162
99gator said:
here's the deal with manning....imo.

if you give him the things that any qb needs.....pass protection, receivers to get separation, etc.....he can do more with that than maybe anyone who ever played the game.

if you deny him those things, he doesn't make plays that overcome that. his "greatness" doesn't overcome lack of pass protection, receivers being covered, etc, etc.

he generally doesn't make that unbelievable throw with a db right on top of the wr as he is about to be drilled by a defensive end.

that's not a criticism because you shouldn't be able to do that.

but, the point is that a lot of times a player's greatness is judged on his ability to get his team overcome the liabilities of his teammates.

so, if there's a honest criticism of manning, it's that despite how good he may be.....he is just like every other human....if his teammates ain't getting it done, neither does he.

now the weird thing is during this super bowl, i do not think his passes had the zip on them that was there all year and i don't know why.
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Seattle did not let him set his feet. They got great pressure up the middle as well as off the edge. Manning needs a clean pocket and Seattle denied him that. On the plays where he rolled out Seattle was never fooled. Every completion Manning made was contested.
 
#163
#163
VolsSportsFan said:
Come on, most of those completions were small gainers Seattle had no problem giving up, and that TD was well after it was decided.

His QB rating was 24.4, worst since Grossman.
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Where did you get 24.4? It was 73.5
 
#164
#164
zreeves said:
if they played that game 10 times, seattle would win all 10. the broncos were inferior in every facet of the game. that was a team effort to get dominated that bad. peyton played bad, the o-line got dominated, the WR weren't open when the OL held up, the defense didn't get a stop, special teams gave up a TD. it was just pitiful. reflective of the discrepancy between the AFC and NFC right now.
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Wrong. The Broncos had a lot of injuries. I am not using it as an excuse, it's just a fact. I would like to see a rematch with the Broncos having their O line and defensive starters all healthy. Injuries are part of the game but they affect the game. Seattle is a great team and I think Denver would win 4/10 games.
 
#167
#167
dduncan4163 said:
It gets said all the time because its so true. Just ask Brady.
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its not always true. The Ravens had the 17th ranked defense last year. In 2011 the giants had the 27th ranked D. It does happen more often than not though. It would have been interesting to see how the SB would have went if all of Denvers defensive starters were healthy.
 
#170
#170
The Broncos got a souvenir jersey and a nice runner- up pay check to go with a badly bruised ego. Oh well, it's off to Disney World.
 
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#172
#172
BearCat204 said:
I agree with your overall point here, but Peyton was absolutely terrible tonight and he had one of those games where he just absolutely choked.
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I would not go so far as to say terrible. Certainly he did not play a good game, but basically making it look like it was Peyton's fault is an overstatement. Three turnovers were charged to him, but two were the fault of the offensive line letting the rush get to him, and frankly, the receivers were doing a poor job of getting open. The whole team looked flat from the beginning. I don't think much of Carroll with the cheating at USC, but I have to give it to him that he is a motivator. They were definitely much more fired up than Denver.
 
#173
#173
TVOL71 said:
I would not go so far as to say terrible. Certainly he did not play a good game, but basically making it look like it was Peyton's fault is an overstatement. Three turnovers were charged to him, but two were the fault of the offensive line letting the rush get to him, and frankly, the receivers were doing a poor job of getting open. The whole team looked flat from the beginning. I don't think much of Carroll with the cheating at USC, but I have to give it to him that he is a motivator. They were definitely much more fired up than Denver.
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Pete Carroll has always been a defensive guru. He's a helluva coach.
 
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