Philosophy

[keckjm]

I feel we have a very special D-line situation this year, that if successful, could be implemented for years to come. Mt. MC is going to be full beast mode in a 4-3 set at 6-8/360. My take is we continue this setting after this year. My meaning by this is we continue to fill one of the DT spots with essentially a 3-4 NT. I feel with this philosophy our DT/NT will take up the G and RT spots at the same time to allow pressure up the middle by our SLB and by our SDE. Now by no means do I think we can continue to find find players Mt. MC size, but I do feel we can get players, JuCo or High School, that have the frame to carry weight at 325-345. If we can get this type of player every year I feel our defense can be really deadly. The NY Giants implement a system just like the one I'm speaking of. Their WDE have a lot of success getting sacks in this type of system. Another huge advantage of this is we can kick our SDE inside at DT and move the NT out on passing downs. This will allow us to add a pure pass rusher AKA the LEO position. Carr fits this bill to a T, as he can play SDE on running downs, and then kick inside on passing downs. In all, the central idea is to have a big WDE that weighs 280-290 for running downs along with a big NT thats weighs 325-345. On passing downs the NT goes out and the DT and WDE become the two new DTs along with a new LEO DE/LB hybrid who can line up on the line or standing up right over/under the LTs shoulder depending on the scheme.

For this year I see this:
1st and 2nd down plays:
SDE: Walls/Carr/Miller
NT: Mt.MC/Carson/Clark
DT: Couch/Miller/Hood/O'Brien/Saulsberry
WDE: Smith/Williams/Miller

3rd and pass plays:
WDE: Smith/Miller
DT: Couch/Hood
DT: Miller/Walls/Carr
LEO: Veeren/Lewis/Bynum

Lets go pure speculation here for 2014 assuming we continue to implement a NT type player in our front 4.

1st and 2nd down plays:
SDE: Carr/Miler
NT: Carson/Clark
DT: O'Brien/Saulsberry
WDE: Williams/Brown

3rd and pass plays:
WDE: Williams/Brown
DT: O'Brian/Carson
DT: Carr
LEO: Veeren/Lewis

Possible Freshman:

NT Mosley: 6-5/346
SDE Barnett: 6-3/265
WDE Hendrix: 6-5/255
DT Ford: 6-0/285
DT/NT Sawyers: 6-2/300

 

[DocVol]

Huh?

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Holy mother of acronyms.

 

[patrick]

someone is on a serious trip!!!!!

 

[volfanCLT]

Thought this was a TRUT callout thread

 

[JoeKyleVol]

Personally, I'd run a 3-4 with Socrates at NT, Karl Marx at WDE, and St. Thomas Aquinas at SDE. The linebackers would be Aristotle, Friedrich Nietzsche, René Descartes, and David Hume. I'd have St. Augustine and Gottfried Leibniz at safties, with John Locke and Thomas Hobbes at corner.

A strong philosophy of defense!

 

[orangebloodgmc]

Thank you for a thread that actually talks about current football players and how they fit into the team effort instead of the usual crap from folks about what is your opinion of this coach or that. :hi:

I hope Couch gets back to the form of 2011. Am ready for O'Brien to bust out, maybe Saulsberry too. Hood can play some NT as well. Williams will be coming on this year, I believe.

 

[Toujours Pret]

Title is poor without a TRUT appearance

 

[VolFootballlover]

You have played way to many games!

 

[WoodsmanVol]

keckjm, FYI, CBJ wants McCullers at 340 so he's quicker. I think he is approaching that weight now.

 

[StoVol]

Thank you for a thread that actually talks about current football players and how they fit into the team effort instead of the usual crap from folks about what is your opinion of this coach or that. :hi:

I hope Couch gets back to the form of 2011. Am ready for O'Brien to bust out, maybe Saulsberry too. Hood can play some NT as well. Williams will be coming on this year, I believe.

This... Also really hoping o'brien steps up this year.. Will feel a lot better about 2014 if he does

 

[therealUT]

Personally, I'd run a 3-4 with Socrates at NT, Karl Marx at WDE, and St. Thomas Aquinas at SDE. The linebackers would be Aristotle, Friedrich Nietzsche, René Descartes, and David Hume. I'd have St. Augustine and Gottfried Leibniz at safties, with John Locke and Thomas Hobbes at corner.

A strong philosophy of defense!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-g3y2NfFo[/youtube]

 

[YankeeVol]

Wow

 

[Burger]

I see us running the Bates 4-3 which is still very relevant today. On the front 4, its all about efficiency, good speed vs. Power. My starting Dline looks like this.

DE: Smith
DT: McCullers
DT: Couch
DE: Marlon Walls

As you notice here, I want a bigger DE over the right tackle for the run. McCullers will keep taking double teams, so Couch will be one on one.

 

[GAVol]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-g3y2NfFo[/youtube]

Hadn't seen that in forever. Python never fails.

 

[Volgrad98]

Hadn't seen that in forever. Python never fails.

Same here. The header on the goal cracks me up every time.

 

[volroadwarrior]

I feel we have a very special D-line situation this year, that if successful, could be implemented for years to come. Mt. MC is going to be full beast mode in a 4-3 set at 6-8/360. My take is we continue this setting after this year. My meaning by this is we continue to fill one of the DT spots with essentially a 3-4 NT. I feel with this philosophy our DT/NT will take up the G and RT spots at the same time to allow pressure up the middle by our WLB and by our WDE. Now by no means do I think we can continue to find find players Mt. MC size, but I do feel we can get players, JuCo or High School, that have the frame to carry weight at 325-345. If we can get this type of player every year I feel our defense can be really deadly. The NY Giants implement a system just like the one I'm speaking of. Their WDE have a lot of success getting sacks in this type of system. Another huge advantage of this is we can kick our SDE inside at DT and move the NT out on passing downs. This will allow us to add a pure pass rusher AKA the LEO position. Carr fits this bill to a T, as he can play SDE on running downs, and then kick inside on passing downs. In all, the central idea is to have a big SDE that weighs 280-290 for running downs along with a big NT thats weighs 325-345. On passing downs the NT goes out and the DT and SDE become the two new DTS along with a new LEO DE/LB hybrid who can line up on the line or standing up right over/under the LTs shoulder depending on the scheme.

For this year I see this:
1st and 2nd down plays:
WDE: Smith (yes I want to move him over)/Williams/Brown
NT: Mt.MC/Carson/Clark
DT: Couch/Miller/Hood/O'Brien/Saulsberry
SDE: Walls/Carr/Miller

3rd and pass plays:
WDE: Smith/Williams
DT: Couch/Hood
DT: Miller/Walls/Carr
LEO: Veeren/Lewis/Bynum

Lets go pure speculation here for 2014 assuming we continue to implement a NT type player in our front 4.

1st and 2nd down plays:
WDE: Williams/Brown
NT: Carson/Clark
DT: O'Brien/Saulsberry
SDE: Carr/Miller

3rd and pass plays:
WDE: Williams/Brown
DT: O'Brian/Carson
DT: Carr
LEO: Veeren/Lewis

Possible Freshman:

NT Mosley: 6-5/346
SDE Barnett: 6-3/265
WDE Hendrix: 6-5/255
DT Ford: 6-0/285
DT/NT Sawyers: 6-2/300

Thanks for trying to start a serious football discussion. The usual immature suspects here at VN will hurl their insults and attempts at teenage humor. As usual they add nothing, but take the opportunity to exercise their tee hees and giggles to the thread.

 

[keckjm]

I see us running the Bates 4-3 which is still very relevant today. On the front 4, its all about efficiency, good speed vs. Power. My starting Dline looks like this.

DE: Smith
DT: McCullers
DT: Couch
DE: Marlon Walls

As you notice here, I want a bigger DE over the right tackle for the run. McCullers will keep taking double teams, so Couch will be one on one.

Exactly what I'm thinking. I just believe McCullers comes out on passing downs and a pass rusher like Veeren comes in as a LEO DE on the right side.

 

[butchna]

I feel we have a very special D-line situation this year, that if successful, could be implemented for years to come. Mt. MC is going to be full beast mode in a 4-3 set at 6-8/360. My take is we continue this setting after this year. My meaning by this is we continue to fill one of the DT spots with essentially a 3-4 NT. I feel with this philosophy our DT/NT will take up the G and RT spots at the same time to allow pressure up the middle by our WLB and by our WDE. Now by no means do I think we can continue to find find players Mt. MC size, but I do feel we can get players, JuCo or High School, that have the frame to carry weight at 325-345. If we can get this type of player every year I feel our defense can be really deadly. The NY Giants implement a system just like the one I'm speaking of. Their WDE have a lot of success getting sacks in this type of system. Another huge advantage of this is we can kick our SDE inside at DT and move the NT out on passing downs. This will allow us to add a pure pass rusher AKA the LEO position. Carr fits this bill to a T, as he can play SDE on running downs, and then kick inside on passing downs. In all, the central idea is to have a big SDE that weighs 280-290 for running downs along with a big NT thats weighs 325-345. On passing downs the NT goes out and the DT and SDE become the two new DTS along with a new LEO DE/LB hybrid who can line up on the line or standing up right over/under the LTs shoulder depending on the scheme.

For this year I see this:
1st and 2nd down plays:
WDE: Smith (yes I want to move him over)/Williams/Brown
NT: Mt.MC/Carson/Clark
DT: Couch/Miller/Hood/O'Brien/Saulsberry
SDE: Walls/Carr/Miller

3rd and pass plays:
WDE: Smith/Williams
DT: Couch/Hood
DT: Miller/Walls/Carr
LEO: Veeren/Lewis/Bynum

Lets go pure speculation here for 2014 assuming we continue to implement a NT type player in our front 4.

1st and 2nd down plays:
WDE: Williams/Brown
NT: Carson/Clark
DT: O'Brien/Saulsberry
SDE: Carr/Miller

3rd and pass plays:
WDE: Williams/Brown
DT: O'Brian/Carson
DT: Carr
LEO: Veeren/Lewis

Possible Freshman:

NT Mosley: 6-5/346
SDE Barnett: 6-3/265
WDE Hendrix: 6-5/255
DT Ford: 6-0/285
DT/NT Sawyers: 6-2/300

Kind of a comfortable 4-3 with the cool elements of the 3-4?....I like it...good stuff keckjm!
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[keckjm]

Kind of a comfortable 4-3 with the cool elements of the 3-4?....I like it...good stuff keckjm!
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The Giants use the big strong side DE as I'm talking about on 1st and 2nd downs, and the Sehawks use the LEO position on 3rd and passing situations. A combination of the two leads to essietially a 3-4 personal in a 4-3 scheme. Sometimes this D will even look like a 3-4 except the only difference is our NT will not be in and our strong side DE can become the new DT and a LEO LB can come in on the strong side. Basically you go big and strong on run plays and small and quick on pass plays.

 

[butchna]

The Giants use the big strong side DE as I'm talking about on 1st and 2nd downs, and the Sehawks use the LEO position on 3rd and passing situations. A combination of the two leads to essietially a 3-4 personal in a 4-3 scheme. Sometimes this D will even look like a 3-4 except the only difference is our NT will not be in when our strong side DE is standing up instead of on the line. Basically you go big and strong on run plays and small and quick on pass plays.

Has Jancek been using this scheme at Cincy?
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[keckjm]

Has Jancek been using this scheme at Cincy?
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Yes kind of. They had a guy at Cincy named Walter Stewart that played Strong Side DE on running downs and then would become a pass rushing LB on passing downs. Essentially he became a LEO DE on passing downs and had huge success in this position sack wise. He would have got drafted but suffered a serious spine injury that caused him to go undrafted. LEO players usually play on the Strong side. Stewart weighs only 245 pounds, so he fits perfectly as a LEO LB/DE hybrid. Veeren and Stewart have intagables that are very similar. I believe that Janick will go to more of a hybrid defense that I'm now talking about. Walls is a huge DE and weighs about 270 as we speak. He'd be a great prospect at strong Side DE and Smith would be better fitted at the weak Side DE position on 1st and 2nd downs. The big thing is our weak Side DE and WLB have to be able to hold the middle and our strong Side DE has to be able to contain the outside and the TE. The LEO guy comes in on passing downs as the new SDE, and can be used as a LB/DE.

 

[keckjm]

The best way to explain Janick defense is very aggressive without using a lot of Tampa Two style defenses. There will be a lot of cover ones and the the other S picking up a TE or a slot WR. We will blitz a lot and we will take chances. We will man up on the outside, and we will run multiple packages to confuse the offense. We will give up big plays sometimes and we won't have a number one defense in the SEC ever with Janick here. The best defense Janick had as a co- definsive coord and a defensive coord at Cincy was 6 best in Big East. We will be fun to watch though and we will produce sacks and turnovers. Janick has had the best scoring defense in the Big East the last two years I believe. Also, understand we have superior talent to Cincy here. Janick will have opinions here he didn't have at Cincy.

 

[keckjm]

You have played way to many games!

You do realize I just stated an actual NFL team that runs this type of defense, right? This isn't Madden 13'. I know what I'm talking about or I wouldn't start a thread on it. This scheme is something you and every other VOL fan can/and most likely will see us run. CBJ and Janick have already stated we will have a LEO DE/LB, and this can be easily seen by the move of Veeren to DE. Veeren will play on and off the line, and will get a lot of snaps this year on pass rushing downs along with L. Lewis. I fully expect a starting D-line of Walls at WDE, Smith at SDE, Mt.MC at NT, and Couch at DT with Veeren and L. Lewis as LEO DE/LB.

 

[butchna]

You do realize I just stated an actual NFL team that runs this type of defense, right? This isn't Madden 13'. I know what I'm talking about or I wouldn't start a thread on it. This scheme is something you and every other VOL fan can/and most likely will see us run. CBJ and Janick have already stated we will have a LEO DE/LB, and this can be easily seen by the move of Veeren to DE. Veeren will play on and off the line, and will get a lot of snaps this year on pass rushing downs along with L. Lewis. I fully expect a starting D-line of Walls at WDE, Smith at SDE, Mt.MC at NT, and Couch at DT with Veeren and L. Lewis as LEO DE/LB.

I love this kind of talk especially with the NFL comparisons...Seattle was fun to watch last year and if we play a similar style that's going to reap benefits in recruiting...especially with the Lorenzo Carter types...who prefer the 3-4...a season of running this scheme and we might be on them early
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