planned parenthood

#127
#127
ClearwaterVol said:
So what?

A little hypo... There is a house fire. The house has two rooms. In one there are 1000 human embryos. In the other, a sleeping toddler. You will only be able to save the occupants of one room. Who do you save?
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This is, without a doubt, the dumbest analogy anyone has made about this topic ever. This shows your complete lack of understanding about this issue.
 
#129
#129
distrovol said:
^^^straw man^^^

No one is trying to take away a womans "life decision- making" capability. The decision to engage in sexual activity has a risk of pregnancy (pretty well known), which will lead to a life-changing birth of a child. The overwhelming majority of abortions happen to not deal with this outome.
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Sounds like a damn good reason to me. Of course not having a reason is good enough. Why do you think a woman should be forced to have a child if she doesn't want one?
 
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#133
#133
MT LeConte said:
Sounds like a damn good reason to me. Of course not having a reason is good enough. Why do you think a woman should be forced to have a child if she doesn't want one?
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did she choose to have sex? Yes? Then yes she should carry the baby. life choices. you can place it up to adoption if you are incapable of caring for the child. Maybe if we stopped treating children like a hangover we wouldn't have so many broken families or worthless kids.

if she was raped or it threatens her life I have a hard time judging one way or the other. but these cases are a vast minority of abortions.
 
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#134
#134
LouderVol said:
did she choose to have sex? Yes? Then yes she should carry the baby. life choices. you can place it up to adoption if you are incapable of caring for the child. Maybe if we stopped treating children like a hangover we wouldn't have so many broken families or worthless kids.

if she was raped or it threatens her life I have a hard time judging one way or the other. but these cases are a vast minority of abortions.
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If you're amenable to aborting the child of a mother who has been raped, then the argument isn't about the sanctity of life; instead, it's about forcing consequences on people for their decisions.
 
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#135
Wafflestomper said:
If you're amenable to aborting the child of a mother who has been raped, then the argument isn't about the sanctity of life; instead, it's about forcing consequences on people for their decisions.
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I still believe you are killing someone, I just don't see it as murder. Corporeal punishment being the defining thing. and I made the point of where that is me personally making judgement, something I shouldn't be doing anyway. I have no clue on how God feels about that stuff.

But I will say that the opposite of those scenarios (keeping the child in rape or carrying to term with life threatening consequences) is the surest sign of love I can imagine, and I would think God appreciates that aspect of it. jmo
 
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#137
LouderVol said:
So we are saving 1000 women too in the scenario as posted? seems like the OP doesn't place the same value on women's lives as he does a toddler.
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Technically, the gender split would be roughly 500 males and 500 females.

The real question is whether there are 1000 persons in that room.
 
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#138
If it were up to the religious zealots, this country would be a disaster. Look at the Philippines, where the Catholic church rules and where birth control is frowned upon. That nation is vastly overcrowded, over-populated, and dirt poor.
 
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armchair said:
If it were up to the religious zealots, this country would be a disaster. Look at the Philippines, where the Catholic church rules and where birth control is frowned upon. That nation is vastly overcrowded, over-populated, and dirt poor.
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Luckily ISIS is working hard to free those people from backwards religious oppression.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Technically, the gender split would be roughly 500 males and 500 females.

The real question is whether there are 1000 persons in that room.
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i meant 1000 pregnant women with the 1000 fetuses inside them. although if we are splitting hairs it could be fewer than 1000 women.
 
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armchair said:
If it were up to the religious zealots, this country would be a disaster. Look at the Philippines, where the Catholic church rules and where birth control is frowned upon. That nation is vastly overcrowded, over-populated, and dirt poor.
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thankfully the catholic church has also removed murder, sex outside of marriage, gambling, drug use and more. since they rule and all and those things typically go against the church.
 
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LouderVol said:
i meant 1000 pregnant women with the 1000 fetuses inside them. although if we are splitting hairs it could be fewer than 1000 women.
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So, 2000 persons. However, everyone would agree with the existence of 1000 pregnant women so that would be uninteresting.

The whole point of the scenario is whether or not the extra 1000 persons exist.
 
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#143
#143
PKT_VOL said:
So, 2000 persons. However, everyone would agree with the existence of 1000 pregnant women so that would be uninteresting.

The whole point of the scenario is whether or not the extra 1000 persons exist.
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And I would say yes they do. Apparently the line for most people is pretty arbitrary on where they draw what is human life or not. Does a week/month make so much of a difference to what a thing is?

Even those for abortion admit it is life. they just quibble on is it human yet? I would have to say what else could it be besides human? That woman isn't going to give birth to a monkey.
 
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#144
LouderVol said:
And I would say yes they do. Apparently the line for most people is pretty arbitrary on where they draw what is human life or not. Does a week/month make so much of a difference to what a thing is?

Even those for abortion admit it is life. they just quibble on is it human yet? I would have to say what else could it be besides human? That woman isn't going to give birth to a monkey.
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I know one that did, or at least it had big ears like a chimpanzee.
 
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#147
#147
LouderVol said:
And I would say yes they do.
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Which would seemingly mean that you ought to rescue the tube full of zygotes/embryos and let the toddler die.

LouderVol said:
Apparently the line for most people is pretty arbitrary on where they draw what is human life or not. Does a week/month make so much of a difference to what a thing is?

Even those for abortion admit it is life. they just quibble on is it human yet? I would have to say what else could it be besides human? That woman isn't going to give birth to a monkey.
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Zygotes are not controversial with respect to the labels of "life" or "human". They seem to be widely affirmed as both.

The contentious part is whether those zygotes constituent personhood; thus deserving rights.

The disconnect is when those who use conception as the delineation of personhood fail to recognize the personhood of testube zygotes, zygotes that are the product of rape, incest, etc. Many who profess conception as the start of personhood would also choose to save the toddler; especially if that toddler happened to be their own.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
If you're amenable to aborting the child of a mother who has been raped, then the argument isn't about the sanctity of life; instead, it's about forcing consequences on people for their decisions.
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Ok then we should do away with laws that have consequences for murdering another human.
 
#149
#149
PKT_VOL said:
Which would seemingly mean that you ought to rescue the tube full of zygotes/embryos and let the toddler die.



Zygotes are not controversial with respect to the labels of "life" or "human". They seem to be widely affirmed as both.

The contentious part is whether those zygotes constituent personhood; thus deserving rights.

The disconnect is when those who use conception as the delineation of personhood fail to recognize the personhood of testube zygotes, zygotes that are the product of rape, incest, etc. Many who profess conception as the start of personhood would also choose to save the toddler; especially if that toddler happened to be their own.
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Its such a laughably stupid analogy. Why even waste time with it? Its a loaded question fallacy. Your ridiculous attempt at biology is a failure.
 
#150
#150
armchair said:
when I was young that I'd grow up to be a lot smarter and more broad-minded than all the male yahoos in the South. Turns out it was EASY prove her right.

Here's a column all Southern men--and their wives--should read. And I stick to my point: You go grill and shoot tin cans off of fence posts and jaw with the other Bubbas--and leave women alone. They are MORE than capable of making their own life decisions. They don't need a bunch of middle American male religious freaks like Roy Moore to make life decisions for them. We don't need--or want--morality police in America. It's that word called "freedom" that conservatives otherwise are always yodeling about. Women want it as well.

Brave Enough to Be Angry - The New York Times
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Your communication skills are lacking. The mass clumps of word vomit you so often spew here are usually not put together very well.

I have my doubts about your above level intelligence.

No offence.
 
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