Plavsic denied by NCAA

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keenobserver said:
So it seems as if you've answered your own question in regard to Barnes regretting the decision to take him.

It sounds like your real problem is with Coach Barnes. You believe he mishandled an elite talent and let one get away. This is an opinion your which you're obviously entitled to. I just happen to disagree with it. I think Burns is exactly where he needs to be and I think he probably knows that, which is why he made the move.

I've never heard anything about the rumors concerning drug tests, Blackburn, or the like being substantiated.....I'm sure it's possible those things happened and the fact that you believe them would explain some of your animosity towards Barnes.

To find some common ground here. I've been roasted on here for being critical of J. Johnson, Kent, and Burns....I've never thought the other two we're SEC caliber players either.
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tennrich1 said:
Just me I guess but I'll trust Coach Barnes and staff on this one.
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I agree. If I had to wager....I'd bet this is how it went down.

1) Barnes recruits Burns and is impressed with his frame and potential
2) Burns got here and while he did graduate hs early, he (Burns) realized he was light years away from guys that were actually capable of being solid contributors in the near future
3) Burns loathes putting in the extra effort it takes to be a member of Barnes' teams.
4) Burns resents getting his butt chewed by Barnes and staff on a regular basis
5) Burns leaves for Winthrop because that seems like a much easier road to his immediate happiness


This seems much more believable than he failed multiple drug tests, was mad that Barnes was recruiting another player, etc...
 
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@keenobserver I agree with you regarding Burns. He would have been a defensive liability here. It was obvious last year in the Tusculum game he was a defensive liability and from the video I have seen of him at Winthrop he is a defensive liability. Burns doesn’t have good feet. You are right Burns is where he needs to be.

Kent is the same as Burns except he is worse. Burns doesn’t have great feet, but he seems to be able to move quicker than Kent can. It was obvious from the Murray State game that Barnes understands Kent cannot be on the court unless we play zone. Kent should look into transferring to the Patriot league because he could be a fit up there.

Regarding JJ, I think he may be able to play SEC ball, but you have to understand what he is. From what I have seen JJ seems to be a spot up shooter. He does not seem to be the type that is going to be able to create his own shot. Since he lacks the ability to create his own shot and score a lot being sixth or seventh man doesn’t seem to be a good role for him. He seems to be a better fit as an eighth or ninth man off the bench.
 
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Vols All Day said:
@keenobserver I agree with you regarding Burns. He would have been a defensive liability here. It was obvious last year in the Tusculum game he was a defensive liability and from the video I have seen of him at Winthrop he is a defensive liability. Burns doesn’t have good feet. You are right Burns is where he needs to be.

Kent is the same as Burns except he is worse. Burns doesn’t have great feet, but he seems to be able to move quicker than Kent can. It was obvious from the Murray State game that Barnes understands Kent cannot be on the court unless we play zone. Kent should look into transferring to the Patriot league because he could be a fit up there.

Regarding JJ, I think he may be able to play SEC ball, but you have to understand what he is. From what I have seen JJ seems to be a spot up shooter. He does not seem to be the type that is going to be able to create his own shot. Since he lacks the ability to create his own shot and score a lot being sixth or seventh man doesn’t seem to be a good role for him. He seems to be a better fit as an eighth or ninth man off the bench.
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Well said and point taken on JJ. He's a player that's worked real hard to be in the limited role where he's at. The problem with what you described (and an accurate description btw) is that he fits the mold of a situational player....The only reason to play him would be to get a quick 3...Or unless one of our guards are too exhausted to play... Anytime he's on the court he's going to be a liability defensively and actually offensively.....It seems he's definitely going to have to have a role on this particular team until Gaines comes along....I think he might need to transfer after V. Bailey becomes eligible and the freshman phenoms march in here next fall...
 
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keenobserver said:
That's my point. He told Grant and Admiral the same friggin thing, but this kid left....Think he might have had a classic case of "do-do-in-the-heart"?

I can tell one one thing after watching him in warmups last season, you couldn't slide a sheet of paper under his feet when he jumped....Pons would send his shot to the 42nd row of Thompson Boling.
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I watched him keenly, too. In warmups as you did, and the kid wasn't exactly going full-blown workout in pre-game routine. I noticed he was happy-go-lucky and seemed to not take warmups in which he knew he would not be playing very seriously. I think judging his efforts and abilities under those conditions would not be the best estimate of what he can or can't do.
 
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cardvolfan said:
I watched him keenly, too. In warmups as you did, and the kid wasn't exactly going full-blown workout in pre-game routine. I noticed he was happy-go-lucky and seemed to not take warmups in which he knew he would not be playing very seriously. I think judging his efforts and abilities under those conditions would not be the best estimate of what he can or can't do.
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Fair point. But IMO, Barnes doesn't seem like the type of coach that's interested in the happy-go-lucky types....In as much as I've observed.
 
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keenobserver said:
I agree. If I had to wager....I'd bet this is how it went down.

1) Barnes recruits Burns and is impressed with his frame and potential
2) Burns get here and while he did graduate hs early, he realized he was light years away from guys that were actually capable of being solid contributors in the near future
3) Burns loathes putting in the extra effort it takes to be a member of Barnes' teams.
4) Burns resents getting his butt chewed by Barnes and staff on a regular basis
5) Burns leaves for Winthrop because that seems like a much easier road to his immediate happiness


This seems much more believable than he failed multiple drug tests, was mad that Barnes was recruiting another player, etc...
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And unless you are Burns himself, you just don't know any of these things. For that matter, none of us do. I love Barnes and thought Burns had the potential to be a true impact player, but for whatever reasons, he is no longer here.
 
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keenobserver said:
Fair point. But IMO, Barnes doesn't seem like the type of coach that's interested in the happy-go-lucky types....In as much as I've observed.
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I would agree with your comment. Watching him in pre-game warmups, he was lackadaisical and not terribly focused. I wondered how he was in practices and other areas of his life. Honestly, last year, wondered what Barnes thought of him.
 
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cardvolfan said:
And unless you are Burns himself, you just don't know any of these things. For that matter, none of us do. I love Barnes and thought Burns had the potential to be a true impact player, but for whatever reasons, he is no longer here.
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......and therein lies the purpose of a message board....You and I both get to speculate.
 
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BruinVol said:
Your post was wrong

The rumors of failed drug test could have been true and him not be gone.
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No it wasn’t. I agree about the tests and being gone. Again, you misread my post. I actually argued with others in here because the policy is very specific and not arbitrary. Burns didn’t leave over drug tests as some suggested.
But, please keep disagreeing with a position I didn’t state.
 
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Roustabout said:
No it wasn’t. I agree about the tests and being gone. Again, you misread my post. I actually argued with others in here because the policy is very specific and not arbitrary. Burns didn’t leave over drug tests as some suggested.
But, please keep disagreeing with a position I didn’t state.
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I think it’s very possible he failed the last straw drug test and then left.
 
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cardvolfan said:
He said "it's possible." That's an opinion and it is also possible he didn't. No need to back up an opinion as opposed someone saying that was a fact.
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if you’re having reasonable discussion then you should have some clues that made you formulate your opinion. You could make outrageous claims like in your opinion you invented the question mark. Tough to have a discussion without something on which your opinions are formulated IMHO, JMO, AARP
 
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walkenvol said:
if you’re having reasonable discussion then you should have some clues that made you formulate your opinion. You could make outrageous claims like in your opinion you invented the question mark. Tough to have a discussion without something on which your opinions are formulated IMHO, JMO, AARP[/QUOTE. Don't agree.
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cardvolfan said:
He said "it's possible." That's an opinion and it is also possible he didn't. No need to back up an opinion as opposed someone saying that was a fact.
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He said its "very" possible. We dont know that he has even failed 1 drug test, let alone multiple ones. I'm just asking what led him to this conclusion. Surely he has a least 1 clue or????
 
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I would be in favor of speculating as to the reason(s) Burns was dismissed so long as it meets the "claim" criteria..
 

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