Player Unity Group demands

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The Original Fade said:
I told you this could happen in another thread and you dismissed it. Now here we are reading it as a reality
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What is reality? Some kids made an absurd request?

1. The Michigan kid in the article still plans to go to practice. So you dont have alot of leverage when you are still going to work and your demands arent met.
2. The long terms medical expenses for covid will not happen.
 
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allvol123 said:
What is reality? Some kids made an absurd request?

1. The Michigan kid in the article still plans to go to practice. So you dont have alot of leverage when you are still going to work and your demands arent met.
2. The long terms medical expenses for covid will not happen.
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That they would make the request in the first place as a condition of playing. Schools won’t go for it, but if the player groups dig their heels in it could derail things
 
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The Original Fade said:
That they would make the request in the first place as a condition of playing. Schools won’t go for it, but if the player groups dig their heels in it could derail things
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That is a huge IF. One thing to write some stuff down, another to do it.

These conferences could easily cancel this season using covid as an excuse and no one would blame them. It would cut the knees out from this movement. These athletes would be desperate to get back on the field next year and would have a sophomore class that has never played and also a freshman class pushing them out of the way.
 
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allvol123 said:
That is a huge IF. One thing to write some stuff down, another to do it.

These conferences could easily cancel this season using covid as an excuse and no one would blame them. It would cut the knees out from this movement. These athletes would be desperate to get back on the field next year and would have a sophomore class that has never played and also a freshman class pushing them out of the way.
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Schools would lose the revenue from football. That’s a big gamble just to show a group of players you’re not playing their game
 
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The Original Fade said:
Schools would lose the revenue from football. That’s a big gamble just to show a group of players you’re not playing their game
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You'd have someone calculate the financials and look at it.

You might cancel this season regardless.

If not, is it worth a one year hit to avoid tying yourself to all this lunacy forever?

Funny thing is, I am in favor of paying players.
 
#34
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allvol123 said:
You'd have someone calculate the financials and look at it.

You might cancel this season regardless.

If not, is it worth a one year hit to avoid tying yourself to all this lunacy forever?

Funny thing is, I am in favor of paying players.
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Agree with everything but your last line, unless I see a plan that’s not fraught with potential to ruin the sport.
 
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These college athletes need to be told "NO". The only thing worse than these prima donas acting like the schools owe them more than a full ride is the way the coaches and AD's are on their knees apologizing and groveling. The recent story about Gary Patterson at TCU falling all over himself apologizing for telling a football player to stop using racial slurs, then being accused of using the slur himself by telling the player not to use that language around the football program. Patterson publicly apologizes (for what ?) and then calls a team leadership meeting to ask the players how the program should proceed regarding this "issue." Patterson should have told the kid to either follow his rules or hit the door. How insane is our society going to get ?
 
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vol_smoothie said:
These college athletes need to be told "NO". The only thing worse than these prima donas acting like the schools owe them more than a full ride is the way the coaches and AD's are on their knees apologizing and groveling. The recent story about Gary Patterson at TCU falling all over himself apologizing for telling a football player to stop using racial slurs, then being accused of using the slur himself by telling the player not to use that language around the football program. Patterson publicly apologizes (for what ?) and then calls a team leadership meeting to ask the players how the program should proceed regarding this "issue." Patterson should have told the kid to either follow his rules or hit the door. How insane is our society going to get ?
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vol_smoothie said:
These college athletes need to be told "NO". The only thing worse than these prima donas acting like the schools owe them more than a full ride is the way the coaches and AD's are on their knees apologizing and groveling. The recent story about Gary Patterson at TCU falling all over himself apologizing for telling a football player to stop using racial slurs, then being accused of using the slur himself by telling the player not to use that language around the football program. Patterson publicly apologizes (for what ?) and then calls a team leadership meeting to ask the players how the program should proceed regarding this "issue." Patterson should have told the kid to either follow his rules or hit the door. How insane is our society going to get ?
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The schools owe them more than a full ride.

The gap between that full ride and the return on that investment has widened thanks to TV revenue and apparel deals.

And those kids bust their asses for that free ride. They are not prima donnas.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The schools owe them more than a full ride.

The gap between that full ride and the return on that investment has widened thanks to TV revenue and apparel deals.

And those kids bust their asses for that free ride. They are not prima donnas.
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They get much more than a full ride already.
Books, clothes, free tutors, prefered class schedules, a stipend, phenomenal food, free publicity, plush training facilities, etc.........
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The schools owe them more than a full ride.

The gap between that full ride and the return on that investment has widened thanks to TV revenue and apparel deals.

And those kids bust their asses for that free ride. They are not prima donnas.
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They are receiving more than just a scholarship.
 
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peaygolf said:
They get much more than a full ride already.
Books, clothes, free tutors, prefered class schedules, a stipend, phenomenal food, free publicity, plush training facilities, etc.........
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Yet the gap between what they get and what the school makes off them grows with each TV deal.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yet the gap between what they get and what the school makes off them grows with each TV deal.
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Should college athletes have agents if they start getting paid? How do you feel about high school blue chip athletes having agents show up at their high school games and schmoozing parents? What is a good compensation plan for college football players that won’t create an even greater imbalance of the haves and have nots?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yet the gap between what they get and what the school makes off them grows with each TV deal.
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Pay the players like employees the cost of tuition, room and board, books, food, clothing and tutors........plus an extra stipend...say $20,000. Have them put that "paycheck" in an account and have them then pay taxes on it and pay for school just like everyone else.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Should college athletes have agents if they start getting paid? How do you feel about high school blue chip athletes having agents show up at their high school games and schmoozing parents? What is a good compensation plan for college football players that won’t create an even greater imbalance of the haves and have nots?
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Why does the public have to figure all that out? That is what markets are for i.e. price discovery.

The schools had a chance to get a head start about 5 years ago on this, see my post history. Now its about how much the schools lose, my guess... most of it. Big $$$ college sports are more or less over, there really isn't anything they can do to stop a huge portion of their revenue stream.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The schools owe them more than a full ride.

The gap between that full ride and the return on that investment has widened thanks to TV revenue and apparel deals.

And those kids bust their asses for that free ride. They are not prima donnas.
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At how many schools? There were only 10 or 12 school's athletic department made a profit last year. With Title IX and other "leeches" there is not the big pile of money everyone seems to think is just laying around. We can point to the coach's salaries but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the liability for lifetime medical coverage. Have you looked at what they now claim are symptoms and side effects of Covid? In 30 years should the university be providing Viagra for ED because some quack claims it was a result of a probable "positive" test result that was never taken.
Go ahead and ruin the college game, I'll take my lawn chair to the open field in front of Bexhill and watch the kids play pick-up.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why does the public have to figure all that out? That is what markets are for i.e. price discovery.

The schools had a chance to get a head start about 5 years ago on this, see my post history. Now its about how much the schools lose, my guess... most of it. Big $$$ college sports are more or less over, there really isn't anything they can do to stop a huge portion of their revenue stream.
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The public doesn’t have to figure it out. I’m just asking questions that are bound to come up
 
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The Original Fade said:
The public doesn’t have to figure it out. I’m just asking questions that are bound to come up
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Oh agree there, questions I said would come up in due course a few years back. The schools are hosed and big $$$ college sports is hosed, there really isn't much they can do. Its effectively over, although it will continue to play out short term. The schools and ncaa are in serious denial at this point, there is no real easy way of saving big $$$ college sports. (maybe that is a good thing)
 
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peaygolf said:
Pay the players like employees the cost of tuition, room and board, books, food, clothing and tutors........plus an extra stipend...say $20,000. Have them put that "paycheck" in an account and have them then pay taxes on it and pay for school just like everyone else.
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What about making money off of their likeness? Video games, jersey sales, etc? That changes the recruiting landscape now doesn’t it.
 
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The Original Fade said:
What about making money off of their likeness? Video games, jersey sales, etc? That changes the recruiting landscape now doesn’t it.
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I don't like it, but it's inevitable. They can use that taxable money to pay for their tuition as well
 
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The Original Fade said:
What about making money off of their likeness? Video games, jersey sales, etc? That changes the recruiting landscape now doesn’t it.
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Not really. That money is already being paid under the table. The same schools that can do that are the same schools where kids would make money selling their likeness, legally.
 
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Wireless1 said:
At how many schools? There were only 10 or 12 school's athletic department made a profit last year. With Title IX and other "leeches" there is not the big pile of money everyone seems to think is just laying around. We can point to the coach's salaries but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the liability for lifetime medical coverage. Have you looked at what they now claim are symptoms and side effects of Covid? In 30 years should the university be providing Viagra for ED because some quack claims it was a result of a probable "positive" test result that was never taken.
Go ahead and ruin the college game, I'll take my lawn chair to the open field in front of Bexhill and watch the kids play pick-up.
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Those schools with TV networks, specifically the SEC and Big 10.
 
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