Player Unity Group demands

#51
#51
The Original Fade said:
Should college athletes have agents if they start getting paid? How do you feel about high school blue chip athletes having agents show up at their high school games and schmoozing parents? What is a good compensation plan for college football players that won’t create an even greater imbalance of the haves and have nots?
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I think the cost of attendance should be increased.

You and I both know adding agents into the mix legally isn’t a good thing. We’ve got bagmen and runners roaming campuses already.
 
#52
#52
allvol123 said:
Not really. That money is already being paid under the table. The same schools that can do that are the same schools where kids would make money selling their likeness, legally.
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Honest question - what do you think is a good and fair plan to pay players? Monthly stipend that goes to all athletes at each school? % of revenue? Likeness and jersey sales?
 
#53
#53
Lawrence Wright said:
I think the cost of attendance should be increased.

You and I both know adding agents into the mix legally isn’t a good thing. We’ve got bagmen and runners roaming campuses already.
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If you pay them they’re not amateurs anymore - they can have agents, sign endorsement contracts, paid appearances, etc. Will change everything
 
#54
#54
The Original Fade said:
Honest question - what do you think is a good and fair plan to pay players? Monthly stipend that goes to all athletes at each school? % of revenue? Likeness and jersey sales?
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I have never thought about it enough to offer a plan.

But I firmly believe they should be allowed to make money just as anyone else in society with skills, talent, likeability, etc. does.
 
#57
#57
allvol123 said:
I have never thought about it enough to offer a plan.

But I firmly believe they should be allowed to make money just as anyone else in society with skills, talent, likeability, etc. does.
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Two wrongs do not make a right! Yes, it seems stupid for them to get tuition, room and board while coaches makes millions and assistants make hundreds of thousands from their efforts. The correct move is to lower coaches salaries, ticket prices and stop spending billions on recruiting. Reduce the athletic budgets and put a cap on them. This would even out the playing field and retain college athletics. Bottom line to me is if you start paying players thats pro football, just expand the NFL.
 
#58
#58
allvol123 said:
I have never thought about it enough to offer a plan.

But I firmly believe they should be allowed to make money just as anyone else in society with skills, talent, likeability, etc. does.
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And they will after receiving a degree paid for by the school and entering the workforce like the rest of us. I just don’t know why there’s a rush to pay athletes more than the scholarship simply because the sport they themselves are choosing to play brings in lots of money. Universities market themselves with academic scholarships given as well, so you could argue the students on academic scholarships are being used to bring in money for the school. Should they be paid as well?
 
#59
#59
The Original Fade said:
And they will after receiving a degree paid for by the school and entering the workforce like the rest of us. I just don’t know why there’s a rush to pay athletes more than the scholarship simply because the sport they themselves are choosing to play brings in lots of money. Universities market themselves with academic scholarships given as well, so you could argue the students on academic scholarships are being used to bring in money for the school. Should they be paid as well?
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I have been able to make money since I was 14. They shouldnt have some archaic restrictions preventing them.
 
#60
#60
IPleadInsanity said:
Two wrongs do not make a right! Yes, it seems stupid for them to get tuition, room and board while coaches makes millions and assistants make hundreds of thousands from their efforts. The correct move is to lower coaches salaries, ticket prices and stop spending billions on recruiting. Reduce the athletic budgets and put a cap on them. This would even out the playing field and retain college athletics. Bottom line to me is if you start paying players thats pro football, just expand the NFL.
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Well, in most cases its actually the law or more like the schools (by and thru the NCAA) trying to avoid legal restrictions.

You can't put a cap on them, its called the anti-trust act, at both the state and federal level.

Maybe its not really your business as to what people are paid? (at least on a large scale)

The schools should not be colluding, which is what they have been doing illegally - a cap is colluding.

The correct move is to lower coaches salaries, ticket prices and stop spending billions on recruiting. Reduce the athletic budgets and put a cap on them.
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Generally, your suggestion is what they have been doing to the players, and getting away it until now. So... your solution is to increase the fraud upon coaches and staff?

Two wrongs do not make a right!
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No, there is only one wrong, which they have been getting away with for decades. The gig is up.
 
#61
#61
The Original Fade said:
And they will after receiving a degree paid for by the school and entering the workforce like the rest of us. I just don’t know why there’s a rush to pay athletes more than the scholarship simply because the sport they themselves are choosing to play brings in lots of money. Universities market themselves with academic scholarships given as well, so you could argue the students on academic scholarships are being used to bring in money for the school. Should they be paid as well?
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I wouldnt have a problem with them being paid for autograph signings like pro players do, but really only the top players will benefit from that
 
#62
#62
Question...can a student on full academic scholarship create a business, patent an invention or market his/her likeness or business while on scholarship?
 
#65
#65
Lawrence Wright said:
Question...can a student on full academic scholarship create a business, patent an invention or market his/her likeness while on scholarship?
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Yes, because their money comes from something totally unrelated to the school. It would be just like getting a part time job while not in class, which plenty of students do.
 
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#68
#68
IPleadInsanity said:
Two wrongs do not make a right! Yes, it seems stupid for them to get tuition, room and board while coaches makes millions and assistants make hundreds of thousands from their efforts. The correct move is to lower coaches salaries, ticket prices and stop spending billions on recruiting. Reduce the athletic budgets and put a cap on them. This would even out the playing field and retain college athletics. Bottom line to me is if you start paying players thats pro football, just expand the NFL.
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What would your feelings be if an outside group decided you were being paid too much at your job and restricted what your employer could pay you?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Well, in most cases its actually the law or more like the schools (by and thru the NCAA) trying to avoid legal restrictions.

You can't put a cap on them, its called the anti-trust act, at both the state and federal level.

Maybe its not really your business as to what people are paid? (at least on a large scale)

The schools should not be colluding, which is what they have been doing illegally - a cap is colluding.



Generally, your suggestion is what they have been doing to the players, and getting away it until now. So... your solution is to increase the fraud upon coaches and staff?



No, there is only one wrong, which they have been getting away with for decades. The gig is up.
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Thats ridiculous! The anti trust act prohibits monopolies. A school can cap expenses anywhere it wants and I doubt any school administration would have a problem with capping coaches salaries, which in some cases exceed all of the administration salaries combined. The coaches are paid the big salaries to recruit the top players so huge recruiting budgets come with the huge salaries to the point where the athletic department's budget is larger than the schools budget. The whole thing is obscene and needs to be brought back to earth.

"Generally, your suggestion is what they have been doing to the players, and getting away it until now. So... your solution is to increase the fraud upon coaches and staff?"

Doing to the players, are you nuts? They get a scholarship, a college degree and publicity that can skyrocket their career into a multi-million dollar contract. Poor players. Thats why they are lined up around the corner for the chance. Fraud?? Now when the coaching salaries skyrocketed, around the same time as the BCS began, thats when things got out of alignment. Greed has taken over in every aspect so changes need to be made. If not then college football ends and semi pro takes over, which is probably what will happen.
 
#70
#70
dobre_shunka said:
What would your feelings be if an outside group decided you were being paid too much at your job and restricted what your employer could pay you?
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Of course no one would like that, but if my industry was about to be destroyed by greed I would have to take a look, otherwise I may get nothing. Especially if I am being over paid by 80% for the job.
 
#71
#71
IPleadInsanity said:
Of course no one would like that, but if my industry was about to be destroyed by greed I would have to take a look, otherwise I may get nothing. Especially if I am being over paid by 80% for the job.
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So unrestricted employment compensation for you but not for coaches that you or other SJW's feel are being overpaid?
 
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#72
#72
IPleadInsanity said:
Thats ridiculous! The anti trust act prohibits monopolies. A school can cap expenses anywhere it wants and I doubt any school administration would have a problem with capping coaches salaries, which in some cases exceed all of the administration salaries combined. The coaches are paid the big salaries to recruit the top players so huge recruiting budgets come with the huge salaries to the point where the athletic department's budget is larger than the schools budget. The whole thing is obscene and needs to be brought back to earth.

"Generally, your suggestion is what they have been doing to the players, and getting away it until now. So... your solution is to increase the fraud upon coaches and staff?"

Doing to the players, are you nuts? They get a scholarship, a college degree and publicity that can skyrocket their career into a multi-million dollar contract. Poor players. Thats why they are lined up around the corner for the chance. Fraud?? Now when the coaching salaries skyrocketed, around the same time as the BCS began, thats when things got out of alignment. Greed has taken over in every aspect so changes need to be made. If not then college football ends and semi pro takes over, which is probably what will happen.
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Actually the anti-trust is designed to help when organization try to stop free trade, the exact thing the colleges have been doing. Even things like Ma Bell and Standard Oil had competition.

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A school can cap expenses anywhere it wants and I doubt any school administration would have a problem with capping coaches salaries
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Unless there is an existing statutory law at the federal or state level, I generally don't see a problem with schools or any business setting up limits on employment compensation. That is not the schools have done, they are colluding through and by the association they themselves formed. This really isn't difficult to understand.

- schools limit how much a coach can make (OK)
- schools collude with other schools to limit how much coaches are paid (not OK)

The same thing generally would apply to players or anyone else, although I would say some of these players are actually employees (depends on state law).

The whole thing is obscene and needs to be brought back to earth.
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Legally what is happening is bringing the schools back to earth, the good news for them is they haven't been indicted yet under rico.

Doing to the players, are you nuts? They get a scholarship, a college degree and publicity that can skyrocket their career into a multi-million dollar contract. Poor players. Thats why they are lined up around the corner for the chance. Fraud?? Now when the coaching salaries skyrocketed, around the same time as the BCS began, thats when things got out of alignment. Greed has taken over in every aspect so changes need to be made. If not then college football ends and semi pro takes over, which is probably what will happen.
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Its not up to you to determine everyone's worth. Its not about poor players, its more about common sense.

Greed has taken over in every aspect
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Oh I agree there the problem is, the people reaping started the problem.
 
#74
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LSU-SIU said:
Actually the anti-trust is designed to help when organization try to stop free trade, the exact thing the colleges have been doing. Even things like Ma Bell and Standard Oil had competition.

The Antitrust Laws



Unless there is an existing statutory law at the federal or state level, I generally don't see a problem with schools or any business setting up limits on employment compensation. That is not the schools have done, they are colluding through and by the association they themselves formed. This really isn't difficult to understand.

- schools limit how much a coach can make (OK)
- schools collude with other schools to limit how much coaches are paid (not OK)

The same thing generally would apply to players or anyone else, although I would say some of these players are actually employees (depends on state law).



Legally what is happening is bringing the schools back to earth, the good news for them is they haven't been indicted yet under rico.



Its not up to you to determine everyone's worth. Its not about poor players, its more about common sense.



Oh I agree there the problem is, the people reaping started the problem.
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You don’t pay them? You lose the best coaching talent to the next level. That’s a lot of program not being built.
 
#75
#75
LSU-SIU said:
Actually the anti-trust is designed to help when organization try to stop free trade, the exact thing the colleges have been doing. Even things like Ma Bell and Standard Oil had competition.

The Antitrust Laws



Unless there is an existing statutory law at the federal or state level, I generally don't see a problem with schools or any business setting up limits on employment compensation. That is not the schools have done, they are colluding through and by the association they themselves formed. This really isn't difficult to understand.

- schools limit how much a coach can make (OK)
- schools collude with other schools to limit how much coaches are paid (not OK)

The same thing generally would apply to players or anyone else, although I would say some of these players are actually employees (depends on state law).



Legally what is happening is bringing the schools back to earth, the good news for them is they haven't been indicted yet under rico.



Its not up to you to determine everyone's worth. Its not about poor players, its more about common sense.



Oh I agree there the problem is, the people reaping started the problem.
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This will never be done in any case. The whole thing will come crashing down on their heads and it will end. I have been laughing at Vanderbilt for several years but it looks like they had the correct model for college sports all along. They just take the big bucks and use it to improve their school, staying away from as much greed as possible.
 
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