Players can Unionize!!!

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#326
They do get:

On a One Year Scholarship which may or may not be offered after the first year.

1: Room & Board (Laundry room available)

NCAA requires "sports dorms" be 'similar' to others on campus and no more than close to half athletes vs regular students.

Board is the best nutritional food combinations the professional staff can provide. I ask ya. Who eats 'more better'? ... if they are living on campus and getting all their meals there.

2: Tuition & Books- All classes, books, tutoring, & miscellaneous paper, pencils, etc. My daughter's books ran way over $200.00 last term, and that may be cheap.

3: Medical - The best medical care the institution has available. UT is lucky, smaller schools without larger hospitals can't provide near the care the VOLS get.

4: Miscellaneous spending cash - see paper, pens, laundry soap, & toiletries & etc. This is the stipend that was approved and it's $2000.00 dollars I believe. Add travel home for Thanksgiving & Christmas & summer plus prescriptions, contacts ... that don't go far.

5: Discretionary Spending Cash: Gas money, Car insurance, Date Money, movies, etc. They get ZERO.

No life affordable outside campus for 3 or 4 years. Older students might be allowed to use their dorm allowance and a portion of food allowance so they can pool resources and get an apartment off campus. If you were ever a dorm rat you understand the need older students have to get out of the dorm.

Kids from most families make this work as they will get at least a little money from home. But the ones who need it the most, are surviving only on the scholarship, with no money from home. They might even look in their empty fridge an have to call a coach and tell him they've got no food and no money. Then have the multi-millionare coach drive up in his Lexus with a bag of tacos. And have to reimburse for the tacos.

Training & Coaching - Sole access to multi-million dollar facilities, coaches, & trainers who are doing their dead level best to prepare them to be winners on&off the field AND, for a gifted few, prepare for the NFL and their own big money payday. But the all get pretty much the same preparation.
 
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The biggest question is when do we get to say goodbye to ncaa's idiotic way of thinking. We will just have the schools as a governing body for college sports
 
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I read this and thought this might be one of the reasons players want to Unionize.

Texas AD says playing ATM doesn't make "business sense" so he wants to schedule games out of the country instead.

"Texas athletic director Steve Patterson said Tuesday that he's not looking to schedule a nonconference football matchup against Texas A&M because he's more concerned about expanding the Longhorns' brand with more opportunities for games outside the United States. The first-year athletic director has already scheduled a men's basketball game against Washington in China for 2015. Patterson reportedly has expressed interest in playing a nonconference football game in Mexico City. Another possibility Patterson acknowledged Tuesday could be a future sporting event in Dubai, United Arab Emirates."
 
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I have been reading quite a bit about Norhwestern's players seeking to unionize. In all of the discussion about unionization, one topic has been missing - taxation.

If college football players become employees of the university, then they would be subject to Federal and state income tax and FICA on their compensation. I believe the federal gov't would love to see this take place.

We often hear talk about poor student athletes who have no money for pizza, where will these athletes get the money to pay taxes on their $ 40,000 to 75,000 income. Plus they will also be paying union dues out of their own pockets.


I just have not heard anyone discuss this dynamic about the ramifications of unionizing.

Thanks for moving, I missed other thread.
 
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Tux, did not see your post from 3/30. This issue is a tax issue from the NLRB viewpoint. IMO
 
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orangeluvr said:
ALL pro sports are UNION. ONLY republicans are anti-union. Remember the feudal system ? Crumbs for the poor. :idea:
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Yes, and those unions keep athletes out of jobs because the athletes, while over the age of 18, are too young. Protectionist policies at their finest exist in professional sports.
 
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orangeluvr said:
ALL pro sports are UNION. ONLY republicans are anti-union. Remember the feudal system ? Crumbs for the poor. :idea:
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If only the republicans are against the unions, then why is only 7 percent of the workforce union? And they are losing ground every year.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Right to work= Right to pay low wages. :rolleyes:
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Err...I think right to work means you don't have to pay union dues in order to be protected by the union.

And there are a little more than 11% of jobs that are unionized in the U.S. Not sure where 7% came from.
 
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Sorry, came in late on this topic. IMO, the NU players didn't plan on winning their suit. I believe their plan was to use this action to force the NCAA to negotiate a more liberal stipend for the players. This is an extremely grey area of athletics which is hard to define for the legal community. In the end, I think the opinion will be reversed, and the players will actually get what they were after........more money.
 
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When you get union bosses involved, you get corruption. You pay union executives to live a lavish lifestyle, going to vegas and other resorts on so called "union business". Unions started out serving a good purpose but, as we've heard, with power comes corruption. I've been a union member and President, so these are my observations.
 
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bkdamoron said:
Err...I think right to work means you don't have to pay union dues in order to be protected by the union.

And there are a little more than 11% of jobs that are unionized in the U.S. Not sure where 7% came from.
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Thanks your comment , American workers union or not enjoy many workplace protections that would not be law if the unions had not fought for them. The 40hr work week, overtime pay, and safe workplaces are just a few of them.
Pre union, pro athletes were bought and sold on the open market like cattle and there was no minimum salary.
 
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dgcarter43 said:
When you get union bosses involved, you get corruption. You pay union executives to live a lavish lifestyle, going to vegas and other resorts on so called "union business". Unions started out serving a good purpose but, as we've heard, with power comes corruption. I've been a union member and President, so these are my observations.
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So all of the above is Ok for Washington politicians, corruption on a much grander scale. Happy hour in DC is two politicians for the price of one and the losers are the American people. :question:
 
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goldvol said:
According to the National Labor Relations Board, as being reported by multiple sources: CNN, ESPN, etc.

How long will it be until the first UT football player gets a bigger paycheck?
How much would you pay for our stars this year?
Historically, how much would someone like Peyton or Reggie go for?

Edit: Someone moved this to the Around the NCAA forum. This is directly related to Tennessee football, is the most talked about topic today on the forum, and I feel like more people would see this thread in the Football Forum.
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Please dont destroy this game, like the NFL.
 
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#347
I think the playoff was the straw that broke the camel's back. College football has gone from 10 games a year to 12 games plus a conference championship game and now a playoff game. That's four extra games and the rumor is they want to expand to 8 teams.
These athletes won't have time to be students!
 
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orangeluvr said:
So all of the above is Ok for Washington politicians, corruption on a much grander scale. Happy hour in DC is two politicians for the price of one and the losers are the American people. :question:
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There's a political forum for that BS.
 
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Ace said:
I have been reading quite a bit about Norhwestern's players seeking to unionize. In all of the discussion about unionization, one topic has been missing - taxation.

If college football players become employees of the university, then they would be subject to Federal and state income tax and FICA on their compensation. I believe the federal gov't would love to see this take place.

We often hear talk about poor student athletes who have no money for pizza, where will these athletes get the money to pay taxes on their $ 40,000 to 75,000 income. Plus they will also be paying union dues out of their own pockets.


I just have not heard anyone discuss this dynamic about the ramifications of unionizing.

Thanks for moving, I missed other thread.
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It depends, it's not going to be one size fits all situation... each college is different, each sport is different, each college division, each state, etc.

The laws of the each of the States are not the same. Scholarships are not taxable, in general at the Federal level, of course, each situation is different.

All of this is very simple, most of the big sport schools are not following State and Federal law.

The unionization thing is only one problem for the colleges and Ncaa, the bigger problem is they are not complying with existing Federal and State law labor laws.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
It depends, it's not going to be one size fits all situation... each college is different, each sport is different, each college division, each state, etc.

The laws of the each of the States are not the same. Scholarships are not taxable, in general at the Federal level, of course, each situation is different.

All of this is very simple, most of the big sport schools are not following State and Federal law.

The unionization thing is only one problem for the colleges and Ncaa, the bigger problem is they are not complying with existing Federal and State law labor laws.
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Which statutes are they breaking? You keep saying this without being specific.
 
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