Players can Unionize!!!

[Oskie Volum]

i looked it up earlier, the tv money mentioned that the ncaa makes for the bcs and ncaa tournament is for the entirety of the tv deal, not the tv money made per year.

a lot of people have no clue what "net" and "gross" are, too.

people don't know the money spent on compliance departments and so forth.

Exactly...that guy is throwing around the $18billion # around like it's straight pocketed cash by some fat cats every year. Even if it were a yearly amount and all 1200ish ncaa schools got there even cut it would be what about $15mil per school. Say what 200 athletes or so per school and that's what $75kish?? Now let's start deducted everything they get from that...can the schools bill them?? They can get loans like many of the other kids they go to class with to pay off what some will end up owing. Especially the private school players, and then the kids that play for out of stay public schools.

After finally finishing this thread...I was glad to see folks question the intentions of that LSU-SEIU guy. Don't understand why he would think that people on a UT site would be as ecstatic as he is to see "CFB as it is to be no more." Funny how much of a high horse he's put himself on cause he said yrs ago that the system was corrupt. Everyone knows it's not perfect but it's the best it can be and keep CFB the way it is. Which I like it the way it is, and don't want it to change. I don't care if I'm the sinking ship or not. I'll move on or just watch the players that end up out there. It'll just effect the "top stars" that want to go the farm leagues that won't have the money or infrastructure like the colleges have over so long. Yeah we may not be able to see some talent play but we'll still be able to see players that can catch, run (maybe not as fast), block, tackle, sweat cause they want to be out there etc. Maybe this will be a way to prevent some of the head injuries and slow the game down..always a positive.

People need to watch certain people, and the reason why they support certain things. Listening to the likes of Mark Cuban on the matter might not be so good when he has interests in the NBA developmental leagues and maybe others. I'm thinking LSU-SEIU has found a way to benefit from it if it goes they way he touts it will. Cause dude is happy as a pig in s*it that CFB as we know it has a potential of collapsing.

Just all IMHO...
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[VOLnMiami]

Playing football is a privilege, not a right.....The school offered them a free education to play football for them...If they unionize the schools will part ways with the players and only allow those who want to play for what they are offering...I don't see how they can be forced to pay the players anything.

 

[onevol74]

I don't care how you feel about paying players but in what world does this make any sense?

IT is called wealth redistribution which is a very popular theory in American politics. I agree that they should create a 25-30% tax on pro athlete salaries for redistribution purposes. We can use that money to support these poor kids that are being abused by the system.

I would venture to say that Peyton Manning is an exception in that he gives back in providing scholarships for deserving students. How many pro athletes waste their money on illicit causes and material things?

There is already a precedent for this in the State of Tennessee. Anyone in the medical field has to pay an additional licensing fee for their professional license to support programs for the medical professionals who abuse drugs. In other words the non-abusers are supporting the abusers.

 

[Burger]

IT is called wealth redistribution which is a very popular theory in American politics. I agree that they should create a 25-30% tax on pro athlete salaries for redistribution purposes. We can use that money to support these poor kids that are being abused by the system.

I would venture to say that Peyton Manning is an exception in that he gives back in providing scholarships for deserving students. How many pro athletes waste their money on illicit causes and material things?

There is already a precedent for this in the State of Tennessee. Anyone in the medical field has to pay an additional licensing fee for their professional license to support programs for the medical professionals who abuse drugs. In other words the non-abusers are supporting the abusers.

American politicians are complete morons. Wealth redistriution kills ambition

 

[armchair]

As one lawyer said yesterday, and sorry if it's been discussed, if student-athletes were actually to become unionized, their status would change from students to /employees/ of the university, with all the implications that would entail. I don't think anything will come of this--and it shouldn't, but I do believe that the system does take advantage of the kids to an extent. Yea, they get scholarships--but they must devote a TON of time to their sport, often at the expense (directly or indirectly) of their other college activities.

 

[CountVolcula]

As one lawyer said yesterday, and sorry if it's been discussed, if student-athletes were actually to become unionized, their status would change from students to /employees/ of the university, with all the implications that would entail. I don't think anything will come of this--and it shouldn't, but I do believe that the system does take advantage of the kids to an extent. Yea, they get scholarships--but they must devote a TON of time to their sport, often at the expense (directly or indirectly) of their other college activities.

As do all students.

 

[CountVolcula]

American politicians are complete morons. Wealth redistriution kills ambition

So much truth here

 

[sanefan]

Unionizing is great. Now that they are employees, they can start paying taxes, SSI, and Medicare on their compensation. It's about time they started paying their fair share instead of living off the system for 4-6 years!

Go Union, I say!!!!

 

[onevol74]

As one lawyer said yesterday, and sorry if it's been discussed, if student-athletes were actually to become unionized, their status would change from students to /employees/ of the university, with all the implications that would entail. I don't think anything will come of this--and it shouldn't, but I do believe that the system does take advantage of the kids to an extent. Yea, they get scholarships--but they must devote a TON of time to their sport, often at the expense (directly or indirectly) of their other college activities.

After thinking through the process after all of the emotion, I think that you are right. It will be overturned by the National Board in Washington after they see that it will be a disadvantage for the students. The sad thing is that the NWU players are so dumb to listen to the line promoted by the Steel Workers, who are very desperate to find a new stream of revenue to support their retirement system.

 

[CNCVol88]

As one lawyer said yesterday, and sorry if it's been discussed, if student-athletes were actually to become unionized, their status would change from students to /employees/ of the university, with all the implications that would entail. I don't think anything will come of this--and it shouldn't, but I do believe that the system does take advantage of the kids to an extent. Yea, they get scholarships--but they must devote a TON of time to their sport, often at the expense (directly or indirectly) of their other college activities.

A lot of students if they're good at what they do devote a lot of time to their activity at the expensive of other college activities. I was "paid" in meals a lot in college to play saxophone at BoT meetings. Or I was just expected to play or sing at chapel services. It's kinda a stipulation if that scholly the school gives them that takes care of their food, their housing, their classes etc.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

The pay-for-play documentary on Netflix "Schooled: The Price of College Sports" is 1 hr 20 min of education on the history of NCAA "amateurism", where the concept of "student/athlete" came from (the founder of the NCAA) and his opinion of non-payment of student athletes now vs. the middle of last century.

The documentary (apart from including several interviews with Arian Foster & clips of Tennessee football) is well worth watching and will do much to move attitudes toward finding a solution. I know my position began to change, even as I watched.

The real tragedy is the universities promising a college degree to athletes who can't spell or even sound out the alphabet.

c-a-t cat

 

[onevol74]

The pay-for-play documentary on Netflix "Schooled: The Price of College Sports" is 1 hr 20 min of education on the history of NCAA "amateurism", where the concept of "student/athlete" came from (the founder of the NCAA) and his opinion of non-payment of student athletes now vs. the middle of last century.

The documentary (apart from including several interviews with Arian Foster & clips of Tennessee football) is well worth watching and will do much to move attitudes toward finding a solution. I know my position began to change, even as I watched.

The real tragedy is the universities promising a college degree to athletes who can't spell or even sound out the alphabet.

c-a-t cat

This could easily be fixed. Just go back to recruiting student athletes instead of kids who only want to use the system to get to the NFL. Actually, it would be a lot better product on the field and a lot less problems off the field.

 

[UTRavens]

This could easily be fixed. Just go back to recruiting student athletes instead of kids who only want to use the system to get to the NFL. Actually, it would be a lot better product on the field and a lot less problems off the field.

Uh, no, it wouldn't.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I 100% think there needs to be some major reforms to the NCAA, but this isn't the answer. There are legitimate concerns and issues, unionizing won't fix the things that really need to be fixed.

Not sure what exactly the answer is. Maybe a more democratic system with representation from athletic directors, coaches, and student athletes? idk. not this though.

 

[508mikey]

Whoever the Judge was is an incompetent idiot and should be removed from the bench ASAP - the NCAA should put Northwestern on USC type probation and have the death penalty on stand by

 

[vols-1]

To add to your excellent points you have made on this topic

If Universities are so rich, why do they rely on booster money to pay for coaches salaries, enhancements to facilities, etc..?

This cash cow is merely a made up dream

Many have to rely on boosters because their spending is out of control. Just look what TN spent on contract buyouts. The reality is college sports brings in millions for Universities, but frivolous spending waste half of it.

 

[bamawriter]

Whoever the Judge was is an incompetent idiot and should be removed from the bench ASAP - the NCAA should put Northwestern on USC type probation and have the death penalty on stand by

Your opinions appear very rational and well-informed but for two small issues:

1. There was no judge. This was not a court proceeding.

2. Northwestern was doing everything they could to get the exact opposite ruling.

 

[508mikey]

Your opinions appear very rational and well-informed but for two small issues:

1. There was no judge. This was not a court proceeding.

2. Northwestern was doing everything they could to get the exact opposite ruling.

So would this mean even middle school players are considered employees ? This ruling is so silly

 

[bamawriter]

So would this mean even middle school players are considered employees ? This ruling is so silly

No. No it doesn't.

Please actually read something other than this thread then come back with your thoughts on the subject.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

This could easily be fixed. Just go back to recruiting student athletes instead of kids who only want to use the system to get to the NFL. Actually, it would be a lot better product on the field and a lot less problems off the field.

In what decade of last century are you refering to when you say 'go back to recruiting student athletes? The documentary makes very plain that university programs brought in kids who obviously had no business 'going to college' way before the athletic scholarship programs got off the ground in the middle of last century. The term 'scholar or student/athlete' was invented by the NCAA president to reinforce the concept of amateurism.

Interesting that the man who pretty much single handedly built the NCAA and invented the term 'student/athlete' believed that the radical change in finances surrounding college sports with the advent of multi million TV contracts, sports gear contracts, and now computer games, renders the old positions untenable; and that these players deserve more than they're allowed by current rules.

Case to the point: One school pays it's elected student body president $5,000.00 per year. Any athletic scholarship student receiving any money AT ALL can lose their scholarship, even if they're flat broke and only get a little money for food from a booster.

Keeping these kids flat broke with their foot on their neck is not right. Something has to be done. What I don't know, but the current system is broke.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Every Student Athlete in a non-revenue or revenue neutral sport calls bullshiite on this.

In answer to your question. I wouldn't pay an f'ing dime to pay players nor would I ever attend a college sporting function with paid players.

 

[vol_in_ar]

In what decade of last century are you refering to when you say 'go back to recruiting student athletes? The documentary makes very plain that university programs brought in kids who obviously had no business 'going to college' way before the athletic scholarship programs got off the ground in the middle of last century. The term 'scholar or student/athlete' was invented by the NCAA president to reinforce the concept of amateurism.

Interesting that the man who pretty much single handedly built the NCAA and invented the term 'student/athlete' believed that the radical change in finances surrounding college sports with the advent of multi million TV contracts, sports gear contracts, and now computer games, renders the old positions untenable; and that these players deserve more than they're allowed by current rules.

Case to the point: One school pays it's elected student body president $5,000.00 per year. Any athletic scholarship student receiving any money AT ALL can lose their scholarship, even if they're flat broke and only get a little money for food from a booster.

Keeping these kids flat broke with their foot on their neck is not right. Something has to be done. What I don't know, but the current system is broke.

The decade where Oklahoma was recruiting "The Boz"

 

[Tux]

The players collecting money would also pay taxes on that money and on the cost of the scholarship. At Northwestern, those players would have to pay $15,000 in taxes on their scholarship alone. They did not think with the whole picture in mind when they pursued this lawsuit.

 

[therealUT]

Thats going to ruin college athletics.

Not in the least. If this plays out in a way that will allow athletes to be paid, competition for talent will drive the price up the best programs. In the short run, this will be bad for college basketball and college football, as competition on the field, for both sports, will drop drastically. However, as competition drops, revenue will also decline. Programs will be forced to choose between paying top dollar for coaches (who, currently, are paid top-dollar largely due to their perceived recruiting prowess) and facilities (also, large investments aimed at recruiting) or for players. Programs will choose players, and, not only will this not result in parity, but it will also result in less development for players in the college system. The NBA and the NFL will now have an incentive to erect their own developmental minor leagues, as they would rather be developing players at 18 and 19 years of age than at 22 and 23 years of age.

Great high school basketball and football players will, like great high school baseball players, largely go pro at 18 and work through the minor league system. The result will be less talent in college football and college basketball, lower prices for tickets in college football and college basketball, lower wages for players in college football and college basketball, etc. However, it ought not, in the long-run, affect the parity of college football and college basketball.

Seeing as the talent level between college football and college basketball against that in the NBA and NFL is already an enormous gulf, I don't see how making that gulf wider is really going to negatively affect the college games, in the long-run. Minor league basketball and minor league football will provide other options for, let's say, KU and K-State fans in Topeka. They can see reasonably talented individuals playing basketball and football without making the drive to Lawrence or Manhattan. This is why ticket prices in Lawrence and Manhattan will dip. I'd imagine that ESPN and FoxSports1 would also cover some minor league games, which would also cause the TV revenue to dip. But, many will still watch and attend, and the sports will remain competitive.

 

[onevol74]

In what decade of last century are you refering to when you say 'go back to recruiting student athletes? The documentary makes very plain that university programs brought in kids who obviously had no business 'going to college' way before the athletic scholarship programs got off the ground in the middle of last century. The term 'scholar or student/athlete' was invented by the NCAA president to reinforce the concept of amateurism.

Interesting that the man who pretty much single handedly built the NCAA and invented the term 'student/athlete' believed that the radical change in finances surrounding college sports with the advent of multi million TV contracts, sports gear contracts, and now computer games, renders the old positions untenable; and that these players deserve more than they're allowed by current rules.

Case to the point: One school pays it's elected student body president $5,000.00 per year. Any athletic scholarship student receiving any money AT ALL can lose their scholarship, even if they're flat broke and only get a little money for food from a booster.

Keeping these kids flat broke with their foot on their neck is not right. Something has to be done. What I don't know, but the current system is broke.

Can someone give is what the stipends and allowances the student athletes currently receive?