Players can Unionize!!!

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CountVolcula said:
This will never happen

The NCAA BOD is made up of University officials
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its going to happen...it will be University officials on the BOD,just not an NCAA BOD...its a voluntary membership into the NCAA...the big 64 will be gone...they have been throwing this around long before the player union discussions ever came up...its not a level playing field for MT Saint Mary's to have the same rules as SEC teams... no more sharing with division III football teams,the big 64 get all the money for what they generate... Money,as always,is going to drive this,just as it drove conferences to these TV deals and networks
 
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LSU-SIU said:
"Totally agree with u Count. Lower income kids that have benefited so highly from the opportunities, whether taken or pissed away, will be hurt the most. Schools will start having to avoid them more unless they can meet the standards that many school now overlook. They'll have to start paying taxes, academic requirements will most likely be focused on more as well, etc."

No, now they will have an opportunity to actually make money. I do find it strange that 3rd parties are so concerned about how much a 18 year old gets paid. I hope they make millions.
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I know it sounds great, but is it really the best idea to give 18-22 year olds millions of dollars? How motivated will they be to go to class if they already have a piss-ton of money? How many NFL players have we seen go bankrupt because they didn't know how to handle money?

Also, do you pay Johhny Manziel and the 3rd string catcher on the softball team the same salary? Most of good ones are already getting paid something under the table.
 
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It does mean that the NCAA that is making Billions off of these Athletes will have to Ante Up. We have just created inflation in college sports. Coach raises.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Who sets the cap?

Does a 5* get paid more than a 3*?

What's going to be the punishment for paying a little more?

Who is going to govern the conferences if not the NCAA?

Its more to it than handing the kids a $5000 check each semester
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I have no clue how to answer your excellent questions. I do know that there will be am army of lawyers figuring this out though. Too much money at stake. They could easily create another governing body. I am by no means an expert on any of this. But I do not imagine a scenario where universities just say oh well no more football or athletics
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh of course they are going to make millions...

The unions that is. They'll see these 18 year old kids that have zero sense in the actual world as a cash cow.
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1.) This will ruling will probably not pertain to every college, each case is separable.
2.) This does not necessarily mean every college has to pay player, matter of fact, colleges can remedy the situation but maybe not their liking.
3.) I think these kids have all kinds sense, I think you are the one missing something here.

Hope people like you are happy.
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I am sorry but I don't take football over what is very obvious a criminal enterprise. I said that years ago on this forum. So, I find it strange you don't see what is very obvious.

I hate to tell you, but this is only one thing, the NCAA and colleges are being sued left and right now... there are bigger cases coming.

You have two choices, ignore the obvious or go down with the ship.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
No Pay No Play. I never thought about a strike. How long before the appeals.
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And that's the point. This little ****head that has zero eligibility left over has not considered the long term ramifications of what this entails. There will be unintended consequences that aren't even thought of right now that will come about.
 
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one of the first problems to deal with is.....

are soccer athletes paid employees of the university as well?

if they are, how do you measure the money to pay them. their business loses money. or is the entire athletic department revenue factored in and as an employee, they get a cut.

if so, how much will football players like soccer players getting a cut of their cash.

these guys are screwing themselves and they don't know it.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
I know it sounds great, but is it really the best idea to give 18-22 year olds millions of dollars? How motivated will the be to go to class if they already have a piss-ton of money? How many NFL players have we seen go bankrupt because the didn't know how to handle money?
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In America, this is usually considered none of your business. How you feel in this regard is not relevant to the huge problems that are showing up at the NCAAs doorstep, and they won't be going away.

I said it long ago... this is only the beginning... it's over.
 
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i will say this as well.

it is my life experience that almost every time the little guy thinks he's getting even with "the man", "the man" ends up just fine and large amounts of little guys are screwed.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
1.) This will ruling will probably not pertain to every college, each case is separable.
2.) This does not necessarily mean every college has to pay player, matter of fact, colleges can remedy the situation but maybe not their liking.
3.) I think these kids have all kinds sense, I think you are the one missing something here.


I am sorry but I don't take football over what is very obvious a criminal enterprise. I said that years ago on this forum. So, I find it strange you don't see what is very obvious.

I hate to tell you, but this is only one thing, the NCAA and colleges are being sued left and right now... there are bigger cases coming.

You have two choices, ignore the obvious or go down with the ship.
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Well the ship will go down. Many sports will be gone. No need for college sports. We already have paid union players in professional sports.
 
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Recoil said:
I admire and respect your hard work. But let's not compare apples and oranges. The physical exhaustion associated with collegiate athletics can't be easily replicated. Not knowing your disability (I apologize if I misunderstood your post), I can't speak for the physical challenges you overcame.

I'd imagine many of our lower income student athletes now are able to claim the same graduating distinction as you (first in the family/only in the family). That's a testament to them and their determination to better themselves.

All I'm saying is the whole 'free education' for athletes thing is a huge lie. They earn every dime (at least the ones that show up for class!).
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It's cool, with me I can't really do a lot physical activity, at most my doctor allows me to walk or ride a bike lol

I also get what you're saying but my point is valid, even academic scholarship students have obligations as well. Are they physically taxing as football? Probably not, but they can become just as stressful.

So let me throw this at you, while football players do have probably more physically taxing obligations then academic students, but they don't have to play football. Just like an academic student can take out loans, so could a football player and be a walk on.

My wife had to get student loans which we are still paying on, and if you get a chance to get your school paid for then you take it and don't look back. They have options, they chose the free ride, and with that they have to follow the rules, just like an academic scholarship student.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
In America, this is usually considered none of your business. How you feel in this regard is not relevant to the huge problems that are showing up at the NCAAs doorstep, and they won't be going away.

I said it long ago... this is only the beginning... it's over.
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it's not over.

there are so many issues here.

if i am a football player at the university of florida.....am i employed by the university of florida, the southeastern conference, or the ncaa?

who's pot of gold am i entitled to?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
In America, this is usually considered none of your business. How you feel in this regard is not relevant to the huge problems that are showing up at the NCAAs doorstep, and they won't be going away.

I said it long ago... this is only the beginning... it's over.
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Well, I agree that the NCAA needs to go down, but it doesn't have to take everything down with it.
 
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99gator said:
one of the first problems to deal with is.....

are soccer athletes paid employees of the university as well?

if they are, how do you measure the money to pay them. their business loses money. or is the entire athletic department revenue factored in and as an employee, they get a cut.

if so, how much will football players like soccer players getting a cut of their cash.

these guys are screwing themselves and they don't know it.
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This did not pertain to ever aspect of the problems with college sports... it is just about whether the players at one school could unionize, however, if this continues the ground work is being laid for bigger things.

I would imagine States will have to start considering going after colleges but it has nothing in particular to do with this ruling, this is just one of many actions.... and there are some dandies coming which are not public.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
1.) This will ruling will probably not pertain to every college, each case is separable. And how long before other colleges get on board? Right now it's just private universities. And when will public universities be allowed to do this?

2.) This does not necessarily mean every college has to pay player, matter of fact, colleges can remedy the situation but maybe not their liking. For real? You cannot be that dumb to think this will not lead to a pay scale. And salary caps, and strikes, and complete disruptions in the schedule. It's not like a bunch of out of work and non-drafted players are going to take the field like in the NFL.

3.) I think these kids have all kinds sense, I think you are the one missing something here. Yeah, I'm missing the overwhelming point you are trying to make. You seriously have zero idea of the long term ramifications this will have. And furthermore, you have zero idea how these unions will use and abuse the players more so than the universities. And being that 18 year old kids probably have little to no information about the shady tactics of unions, you are the one missing something here


I am sorry but I don't take football over what is very obvious a criminal enterprise. I said that years ago on this forum. So, I find it strange you don't see what is very obvious.

I hate to tell you, but this is only one thing, the NCAA and colleges are being sued left and right now... there are bigger cases coming.

You have two choices, ignore the obvious or go down with the ship.
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I'm generally nice to our guests here, so take this to heart when I say you seriously need to go troll another board.

I'll continue to say this, the ramifications of this decision will not be to anyone's liking. And that includes the players, coaches, universities and most importantly, the fans which provide the steady stream of income to all the above. Nobody, and I mean nobody wins in this except the unions that will get their dues no matter what.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
So, the better players will go where they get a scholarship and cash. Nobody is going to take the scholarship that can't pay the tax.
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Rich schools can afford good players; smaller schools field scrubs. With limited rosters, poor players can't afford college. Awesome system! Really helped everyone involved.
 
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99gator said:
i will say this as well.

it is my life experience that almost every time the little guy thinks he's getting even with "the man", "the man" ends up just fine and large amounts of little guys are screwed.
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This is so true. The man is the man because he was a step ahead of you in the first place.
 
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99gator said:
it's not over.

there are so many issues here.

if i am a football player at the university of florida.....am i employed by the university of florida, the southeastern conference, or the ncaa?

who's pot of gold am i entitled to?
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Well, I agree there is many issues which will probably take many many years to fight through. Each state is different, each case is technically separable.

In my opinion, depending on the situation and/or labor laws you might be an "employee" or "contractor".
 
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zydane47 said:
It's cool, with me I can't really do a lot physical activity, at most my doctor allows me to walk or ride a bike lol

I also what you're saying but my point is valid, even academic scholarship students have obligations as well. Are they physically taxing as football? Probably not, but they can become just as stressful.

So let me throw this at you, while football players do have probably more physically taxing obligations then academic students, but they don't have to play football. Just like an academic student can take out loans, so could a football player and be a walk on.

My wife had to get student loans which we are still paying on, and if you get a chance to get your school paid for then you take it and don't look back. They have options, they chose the free ride, and with that they have to follow the rules, just like an academic scholarship student.
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Agreed, and sincerely, you have my deepest respect.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
This did not pertain to ever aspect of the problems with college sports... it is just about whether the players at one school could unionize, however, if this continues the ground work is being laid for bigger things.

I would imagine States will have to start considering going after colleges but it has nothing in particular to do with this ruling, this is just one of many actions.... and there are some dandies coming which are not public.
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yes, but the unionization establishes they are employees.

it's one school, but if one, then all.

if one group of athletes, then all.

then terms and conditions of employment have to be worked out.

if they are employees, is title IX null and void?
 
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