Players can Unionize!!!

[LSU-SIU]

I'm generally nice to our guests here, so take this to heart when I say you seriously need to go troll another board.

I am not trolling. I was right, I will continue to be right. Go talk to any freaking lawyer and I bet 99.9% would tell you after looking at college sports that it is FUBAR on just about every legal level.

I'll continue to say this, the ramifications of this decision will not be to anyone's liking. And that includes the players, coaches, universities and most importantly, the fans which provide the steady stream of income to all the above. Nobody, and I mean nobody wins in this except the unions that will get their dues no matter what.

Fire, fire, fire.

1.) Nobody said they were going to unionize
2.) other ramifications are coming, sooner than later and it has nothing to do with Unions.
3.) Mostly irrelevant as to how we feel, it's a free country, trying to impose our will on others is generally considered evil. imho

 

[Recoil]

yes, but the unionization establishes they are employees.

it's one school, but if one, then all.

if one group of athletes, then all.

then terms and conditions of employment have to be worked out.

if they are employees, is title IX null and void?

if one group of athletes are employees, then

Most discriminatory AA mandate on the books today. Abolish it now.

 

[LSU-SIU]

yes, but the unionization establishes they are employees.

it's one school, but if one, then all.

if one group of athletes, then all.

then terms and conditions of employment have to be worked out.

if they are employees, is title IX null and void?

It's just one step, there are other cases coming and not just on unions. Many years of litigation at the State levels and Federal is my guess.

But the college scam is coming to an end, now whether that starts a new scam is definitely on the table.

 

[tenntex67]

I suppose they could go the Ivy League route and play without scholarships. Then you would know who really wanted to play for a school.

 

[Grand Vol]

I am not trolling. I was right, I will continue to be right. Go talk to any freaking lawyer and I bet 99.9% would tell you after looking at college sports that it is FUBAR on just about every legal level.



Fire, fire, fire.

1.) Nobody said they were going to unionize
2.) other ramifications are coming, sooner than later and it has nothing to do with Unions.
3.) Mostly irrelevant as to how we feel, it's a free country, trying to impose our will on others is generally considered evil. imho

1. You cannot be that naive to think that this won't creep into about every school out there.
2. This is all about money. Why else would the United Steelworkers represent them? Out of the kindness of their hearts?
3. Okay, never mind the first comment, you are that naive.

 

[Burger]

I suppose they could go the Ivy League route and play without scholarships. Then you would know who really wanted to play for a school.

This is exactly what will happen. The scholarship will be abolished. You get paid, and you pay your bills like everyone else.

Welcome to Semipro football!

 

[Fullfillmer]

Every school that tries to stop players from receiving money from third parties will eventually be sued, if it comes to that. The sooner the schools and the NCAA wake up the less they will lose... their past behavior and willful violation of law is going to cost billions.

Here is the problem - there is no way to level the playing field. First all the non revenue sports will go away - then all the smaller schools won't have programs, then the basketball programs for most schools will go away, some schools will rightfully question are they in the education business or are they also involved in athletics. A few good lawsuits will making it tiring on the educators and they will decide to get out of athletics all together. Ultimately, everything will be a club sport and athletes can and will all be one and done - at least the good ones. Some of the bigger schools will try to stick with athletics but will ultimately go under after all the small and medium schools have given it up. Nothing good will come of this. People and lawyers are way to greedy for this not to be an unmitigated disaster. Additionally, if Tennessee ever became a union team - that would be the day I decided I'd rather be fishing, hunting, golfing, going to the beach rather than donating and supporting the Vols.

To me it would lose it's attraction and would be a kin to watching the NBA. (which I don't )

 

[volmanbill]

What reason will colleges have to continue playing sports under a pay to play model? If it means increases across the board, tuition, tickets, etc, why not just eliminate it and be done with the whole mess? Universities were originally made for learning, not football or any other sport. Once the financial gains are minimized/eliminated, what motivation is there for schools? I'm not opposed to modest stipends, but if a true minor league pay model ever comes about, any interest I have left may very well go to watching the "better" players in the NFL. At that point there's no difference. Might as well allow trades and free agency.

 

[LSU-SIU]

1. You cannot be that naive to think that this won't creep into about every school out there.

Actually I don't think many will unionize but who knows, either way college sports as is, is coming to an end. I would not be surprised if this is not overturned or even the labor laws changed but the problem is bigger than that.

This is all about money. Why else would the United Steelworkers represent them? Out of the kindness of their hearts?

Of course, which is why colleges collude to stop players from getting 3rd party payments.

3. Okay, never mind the first comment, you are that naive.

It has nothing to do with what we want, it's legally wrong and there is no out.

 

[volfanhill]

Here is the problem - there is no way to level the playing field. First all the non revenue sports will go away - then all the smaller schools won't have programs, then the basketball programs for most schools will go away, some schools will rightfully question are they in the education business or are they also involved in athletics. A few good lawsuits will making it tiring on the educators and they will decide to get out of athletics all together. Ultimately, everything will be a club sport and athletes can and will all be one and done - at least the good ones. Some of the bigger schools will try to stick with athletics but will ultimately go under after all the small and medium schools have given it up. Nothing good will come of this. People and lawyers are way to greedy for this not to be an unmitigated disaster. Additionally, if Tennessee ever became a union team - that would be the day I decided I'd rather be fishing, hunting, golfing, going to the beach rather than donating and supporting the Vols.

To me it would lose it's attraction and would be a kin to watching the NBA. (which I don't )

Do you watch the NFL?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Here is the problem - there is no way to level the playing field. First all the non revenue sports will go away - then all the smaller schools won't have programs, then the basketball programs for most schools will go away, some schools will rightfully question are they in the education business or are they also involved in athletics. A few good lawsuits will making it tiring on the educators and they will decide to get out of athletics all together. Ultimately, everything will be a club sport and athletes can and will all be one and done - at least the good ones. Some of the bigger schools will try to stick with athletics but will ultimately go under after all the small and medium schools have given it up. Nothing good will come of this. People and lawyers are way to greedy for this not to be an unmitigated disaster. Additionally, if Tennessee ever became a union team - that would be the day I decided I'd rather be fishing, hunting, golfing, going to the beach rather than donating and supporting the Vols.

To me it would lose it's attraction and would be a kin to watching the NBA. (which I don't )

I generally agree, but blame needs to also go to the colleges... as they have made this a business. College sports can survive, most college division and sports don't have the restrictions like what most people think.

As far as I am concerned though, they need to follow law or suffer the results.... ie lawsuit. Oh, I said a while back they are coming... nothing can stop this train.

 

[fade route]

Can a union demand it's players not be obligated to attend classes? I mean, unions will have he leverage won't they? Just asking. I just don't get the thinking of the "pay the players" crowd. I think it's a generational thing - the current one honks society owes them a paycheck for simply breathing in and out. Sad.

 

[99gator]

What reason will colleges have to continue playing sports under a pay to play model? If it means increases across the board, tuition, tickets, etc, why not just eliminate it and be done with the whole mess? Universities were originally made for learning, not football or any other sport. Once the financial gains are minimized/eliminated, what motivation is there for schools? I'm not opposed to modest stipends, but if a true minor league pay model ever comes about, any interest I have left may very well go to watching the "better" players in the NFL. At that point there's no difference. Might as well allow trades and free agency.

the obvious answer would be if colleges still end up making money out of the enterprise.

however, if this is allowed to stand, no one would like the ways that they would have to go about making money.

particularly, the "student-athlete"

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm not opposed to modest stipends, but if a true minor league pay model ever comes about, any interest I have left may very well go to watching the "better" players in the NFL.

I was originally against the stipend idea, but after giving it some thought I think it could work. If it was regulated and capped for all NCAA and NAIA colleges, it would end up making a lot of these problems go away.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Not necessarily and I don't know if even matters, if they are classified by the State as employees they might owe the players more than just scholarships. Min. wage, healthcare, workman's comp., etc.

Each state is different, many years of litigation on many levels to go.

You sound like you are looking forward to many years of litigation - what do you do for a living if I might ask?

 

[vols4evah]

I am not trolling. I was right, I will continue to be right. Go talk to any freaking lawyer and I bet 99.9% would tell you after looking at college sports that it is FUBAR on just about every legal level.



Fire, fire, fire.

1.) Nobody said they were going to unionize
2.) other ramifications are coming, sooner than later and it has nothing to do with Unions.
3.) Mostly irrelevant as to how we feel, it's a free country, trying to impose our will on others is generally considered evil. imho

I feel sorry for you, you really cant see the forest for the trees.
The colleges never imposed their will on anybody, it's a simple agreement. Come play football for us and get a free scholarship just follow the rules.

you act like colleges force the athletes into slavery or something. you are truly blind about all this.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Do you watch the NFL?

On occasion - I have watched for example - 500 to 1 more UT and college football games than Titan or NFL games.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You sound like you are looking forward to many years of litigation - what do you do for a living if I might ask?

Not me, but I have info for some time. I am actually surprised by this ruling, but either way, the present scam is going bye-bye.

The real suits have yet to be filed, if the NCAA and NE can't handle this, they are in real trouble.

Well, I am out for today.

 

[volfanhill]

Can a union demand it's players not be obligated to attend classes? I mean, unions will have he leverage won't they? Just asking. I just don't get the thinking of the "pay the players" crowd. I think it's a generational thing - the current one honks society owes them a paycheck for simply breathing in and out. Sad.

I love the generational argument. This new generation is lazy blah blah blah. Well let's look at past generations who were for slavery, then women not voting, then segregation, then continually elect people to run deficits that will cripple you grand children. Ah yes those past generations were so awesome. I wish I could be in one of those generations. Please the current generation has issues. No doubt . But they pale in comparison to those that preceded is. Sorry political rant....I am done.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I feel sorry for you, you really cant see the forest for the trees.
The colleges never imposed their will on anybody, it's a simple agreement. Come play football for us and get a free scholarship just follow the rules.

you act like colleges force the athletes into slavery or something. you are truly blind about all this.

Personally, I am fine with it if the schools did not collude, therein lies my issue.

As far as employee/contractor status, well, that decision for each state but I can tell you no other business nor institution can work like this.

This is very simple. IMHO So, when you say I don't see the forest I kind have to laugh.

Cya guys.

 

[Fullfillmer]

I generally agree, but blame needs to also go to the colleges... as they have made this a business. College sports can survive, most college division and sports don't have the restrictions like what most people think.

As far as I am concerned though, they need to follow law or suffer the results.... ie lawsuit. Oh, I said a while back they are coming... nothing can stop this train.

Most colleges - I am sure over 90% lose money on Athletics - so unions, lawsuits, regulations, more lawsuits will make college sports better in your mind?

Is it too late to tell ETSU not to start back their football program?

 

[Fullfillmer]

Personally, I am fine with it if the schools did not collude, therein lies my issue.

As far as employee/contractor status, well, that decision for each state but I can tell you no other business nor institution can work like this.

This is very simple. IMHO So, when you say I don't see the forest I kind have to laugh.

Cya guys.

So how long have you been practicing law in NC?

 

[fade route]

I love the generational argument. This new generation is lazy blah blah blah. Well let's look at past generations who were for slavery, then women not voting, then segregation, then continually elect people to run deficits that will cripple you grand children. Ah yes those past generations were so awesome. I wish I could be in one of those generations. Please the current generation has issues. No doubt . But they pale in comparison to those that preceded is. Sorry political rant....I am done.

Watch any reality TV recently? Current generation is made up of mostly idiots.

 

[volfanhill]

Watch any reality TV recently? Current generation is made up of mostly idiots.

No that portion of idiots has greater outlets for the public to view. It's the same percentage of idiots with more ways to publicly show how dumb they are. Which in a weird way is kind of good. Idiots have made up a portion of all generations. This generations version of idiots just have a more public forum. Hell this board is n example of that.

 

[RikidyBones]

"Totally agree with u Count. Lower income kids that have benefited so highly from the opportunities, whether taken or pissed away, will be hurt the most. Schools will start having to avoid them more unless they can meet the standards that many school now overlook. They'll have to start paying taxes, academic requirements will most likely be focused on more as well, etc."

No, now they will have an opportunity to actually make money. I do find it strange that 3rd parties are so concerned about how much a 18 year old gets paid. I hope they make millions.

A small amount will get paid. The majority will be left to remain poor with little opportunity to climb out. I hope you're happy under 15% will get paid while the rest stay in places like homestead, fl. You have yet to see the big picture.