Playoff In The Future...

#26
#26
iambruce said:
More stupidity. The only way to ensure that the best teams play is to have more teams. There is no round robin. Teams from different conferences play completely different schedules a 1 loss difference does not prove who the best team is.
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...or just win your games in the regular season. Wow - what a concept.
 
#27
#27
I don't want anything to change. I would like a "plus 1", but with that will come 6, then 8, then 12, then 16. That's just extreme, especially in years when college football is watered down with not enough worthy teams.
 
#28
#28
Teams can get better through the year. I dont see why you would be upset with some one loss teams in a playoff. Playoffs work in every other sport on the planet.
 
#29
#29
tvolsfan said:
I'm sorry, but this argument is garbage. You think this past Iron Bowl means nearly as much if Auburn's just playing for home field advantage? If they lost, they're out under the current system. With a 16 team playoff, they probably finish number 3 and very possibly get home field advantage throughout anyways. But yeah, definitely wouldn't diminish the importance of the regular season at all.

8 teams is too much. The idea of a team like 2009 Iowa getting a shot at the national title is repulsive. It's not the game we've all loved for years. And no system with auto bids could possibly avoid diminishing the importance of the regular season. Don't believe me if you don't want to, but you would eventually see big rivalry games with the starters on the bench resting up for the conference title game.
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The only thing that could potentially be diminished are isolated games where one #1 or #2 team is playing another top #5 or so team. Otherwise, the vast majority of teams risk dropping out of a play-off by losing a game.

That diminishment is made up for by the increased importance of finishing ranked in the top 8 (assuming an 8 team play-off).

That said, it's tough to get any hope of a play-off from Mark Cuban's involvement. The guys success is the result of a giant mistake.
 
#30
#30
iambruce said:
The idea that the regular season would mean less is perhaps the most idiotic i have heard. Anyone with a brain would know that the regular season would me exponentially more.
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Ridiculous, in every way. Remember the 2006 OSU-Michigan Game where the teams came in 1 and 2? With a 16 team playoff, that game was essentially a scrimmage.

The example of the IRON bowl is laughable. Alabama would have been playing for a playoff spot
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They're still in the top 16, they'd get in anyways, unless you revert to autobids, which is downright stupid in general.
 
#31
#31
wheaton4prez said:
The only thing that could potentially be diminished are isolated games where one #1 or #2 team is playing another top #5 or so team. Otherwise, the vast majority of teams risk dropping out of a play-off by losing a game.
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Still missing the point. How special is Stoerner's fumble or 'Rocky Block' or any of those moments in a 16 team playoff? Not very special at all.

That diminishment is made up for by the increased importance of finishing ranked in the top 8 (assuming an 8 team play-off).
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Not really, and the 8th place team shouldn't get a shot, anyways.
 
#32
#32
iambruce said:
More stupidity. The only way to ensure that the best teams play is to have more teams. There is no round robin. Teams from different conferences play completely different schedules a 1 loss difference does not prove who the best team is.
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I've got a better idea. Just add 8 teams to Division 1-A and make the entire season a 7 round tournament.
 
#33
#33
I was cool with it until I read the part about Dan Wetzel's book being his inspiration. Wetzel is awful.
 
#35
#35
GreveHaller said:
So a 1 loss Stanford, Wisconsin, Ohio State should have an equal shot at a NC as undefeated TCU, Ore, or Aub? Thanks for running the table guys but you could have lost one and we'd let you in. . Some years that 1 loss would have let you try for it. Not this year. A 1 loss is second best this year. But its more important to fill the bracket than it is to ensure the best teams play.
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TCU doesn't have a say period; they ran the table and still got nothing. Any system where you can do everything in your power and still not get a shot at the title is a stupid system. This "the regular season is playoff" mantra is a load of crap.
 
#37
#37
tvolsfan said:
Ridiculous, in every way. Remember the 2006 OSU-Michigan Game where the teams came in 1 and 2? With a 16 team playoff, that game was essentially a scrimmage.
They're still in the top 16, they'd get in anyways, unless you revert to autobids, which is downright stupid in general.
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16 is too many, but with 4 your argument is dead, and possibly with 8.
 
#38
#38
JTrainDavis said:
No matter how many teams go into a playoff, there is going to be someone standing outside with a legitimate gripe as to why they deserved a shot. A system like the one currently in place, but with not automatic bids based on conference, seems to be the best bet IMO.
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They might have a gripe that they were better than one of the teams that was included. This will always happen. It happens every year in the NCAA tournament. But this type of gripe isn't a concern.

The question is: is there a team left standing outside that had a legitimate argument for inclusion in the national title game. This has obviously happened several times with the BCS, but it never would have happened with a plus-one. If anyone disagrees, please tell us what year there were 5 teams with legit arguments for national championship consideration.
 
#40
#40
VolsSportsFan said:
TCU doesn't have a say period; they ran the table and still got nothing. Any system where you can do everything in your power and still not get a shot at the title is a stupid system. This "the regular season is playoff" mantra is a load of crap.
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so UT should have played Tulane in 98?
 
#42
#42
kidbourbon said:
Other than the obvious fact that the NFL drafts players out of college, I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
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He said he's against a playoff because it will make it a watered-down version of the NFL; my point is it pretty much already is.
 
#44
#44
GreveHaller said:
it already does. If you're grouping a 1 loss team with 3 undefeateds (like what would happen this year) its admitting that the regular season isnt as important. But you gotta fill that spot whether the team is as good as the others or not. It doesnt matter if the 4th team has 4 losses, they'd still get grouped with the 3 undefeateds. Spread it out to 8 teams and 2 or 3 losses versus a team(s) that go undefeated and the diminishing of the season worsens.

Playoff spots are consistant year to year. Team records arent. It is more important to fill the spot than insure the best are playing.
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The best team is the team that wins the playoff game. Not the team that had the best record against a completely different set of opponents.
 
#45
#45
tvolsfan said:
I've got a better idea. Just add 8 teams to Division 1-A and make the entire season a 7 round tournament.
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Is this supposed to be a legitimate argument? I guess you point is that we cant have a round robin? Duh. i didnt say we could. The point is that since we dont have a round robin, or in most cases even 1 common opponent, To say that the best team is the one with the best record is dumb.
 
#46
#46
tvolsfan said:
Still missing the point. How special is Stoerner's fumble or 'Rocky Block' or any of those moments in a 16 team playoff? Not very special at all.


Not really, and the 8th place team shouldn't get a shot, anyways.
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Actually they are special. Even more special than all the other great moments that came in a non national championship season that we remember
 
#47
#47
iambruce said:
The best team is the team that wins the playoff game. Not the team that had the best record against a completely different set of opponents.
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There it is. The playoff > regular season.

And they said a playoff wouldn't diminish the regular season. Lol
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#48
#48
VolsSportsFan said:
He said he's against a playoff because it will make it a watered-down version of the NFL; my point is it pretty much already is.
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Maybe I don't understand how you are tying your point back to the playoff argument.

If there is no playoff in college, how can it already be watered down?
 
#49
#49
iambruce said:
The best team is the team that wins the playoff game. Not the team that had the best record against a completely different set of opponents.
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This isn't true at all. The best team often fails to win the super bowl or NCAA championship. The better team loses all the time in a single-elimination setting.

If you want to ensure that the best team wins the championship, the best way to do that is how they do it in baseball and pro basketball with a multiple game series. This obviously isn't an option for football.
 
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