Playoff In The Future...

[GreveHaller]

How many mid-majors? One? Two, at most? For everyone else, by virtue of the name on their jersey, the regular season is meaningless.

Butler was a mid-major team in b-ball, and yet they went all the way to the title game. Of course, a football playoff isn't exactly comparable to a football play-off, but there is still the chance for the underdog to win. Which makes it exciting in that fact alone.

A playoff system gives meaning to the rest of college football, otherwise successful teams in non-AQ conferences are playing for the prestigious award of the Kraft Hunger Bowl...
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Funny you mention those mid major leagues. Take a look at all the conferences and the bids they got

Big East 8
Big 12 7
ACC 6
Big Ten 5
SEC 4
Mountain West 4
Atlantic 10 3
C-USA 2
Pac-10 2
WAC 2
West Coast 2
America East 1
Atlantic Sun 1
Big Sky 1
Big South 1
Big West 1
CAA 1
Horizon 1
Ivy League 1
MAAC 1
MEAC 1
Mid-American 1
Missouri Valley 1
Northeast 1
Ohio Valley 1
Patriot 1
Southern 1
Southland 1
Summit 1
Sun Belt 1
SWAC 1


When half your conference gets into the tourney, ie Big East, while 21 of the 31 conferences get 1 or 2 (if they're lucky) into the tourney even though they have teams with better records and better RPIs, that's not being "fair". Why did Rhode Island at 23-9 get passed over for a 21-13 Minnesota who had a better RPI? And this is just one example. FSU, Missouri, UNLV, ND, Marquette, Florida all got into the NCAA on at large bids but Wichita Stat, UAB, Kent St, were passed. There's no fairness in bb either.

FYI, when the NCAA distributes basketball money, each conference gets 1 unit for every school they put into the dance. And who picks those schools? why its the coaches of those schools. Any wonder why the big 6 conferences, aka the BCS, got 32 of the 65 teams in.

 

[wheaton4prez]

Big if. Certainly makes regular season upsets far less dramatic.

I don't see how that is a big if. It's a certainty that more teams would be in or out of the play-offs based on single games than the number of teams that are in or out of the NC game based on a single game.

How would regular season upsets be less dramatic? A lot of teams would be bumped from the play-off picture by upset losses just like they are currently bumped from the NC race by upsets.

It usually is decided on the field.

Far more team comparisons are made based on votes and formulas than on the field. We have to use alternatives to rank the top undefeated or 1 loss teams, for example. Because of that, the final results are always disputable.

Play-offs would at least settle the top teams ordering on the field while providing several great match-ups.

Agreed, if it's 4 teams.

I would be happy with any progress toward a play-off. I think that an 8 team play-off is the right thing considering how it could align with the traditional bowls, only adding 2 more games to the season, etc. But, I would be happy to see a 4 game system.

If you cant win your conference, you're not a champion. A national champion is the best of all teams, not a 2nd place in your conference

The conference championship itself doesn't observe this logic.

For example, it's possible for a team to be conference champ while having lost to the third or fourth placed team in conference.

The mid majors have a far better shot at the national title now than they would with a playoff.

Not sure how you can argue this given the examples of Boise State and TCU going undefeated and not getting in. With a play-off, their shot would not have ended with the rankings.

 

[theutvolunteers]

I feel an eight team would provide great matchups and exciting games with minimal impact on the regular season. That would give quality teams that may have had an unfortunate injury or anomaly to have a chance to still achieve greatness.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Can't the "best" team also sometimes lose a game in the regular season by sheer unluckiness?

Instituting a playoff won't stop this from happening. Do you really think the Giants were the best team in the NFL in 2007-2008? Or did they just get some luck in the Super Bowl?

 

[kidbourbon]

Funny you mention those mid major leagues. Take a look at all the conferences and the bids they got

Big East 8
Big 12 7
ACC 6
Big Ten 5
SEC 4
Mountain West 4
Atlantic 10 3
C-USA 2
Pac-10 2
WAC 2
West Coast 2
America East 1
Atlantic Sun 1
Big Sky 1
Big South 1
Big West 1
CAA 1
Horizon 1
Ivy League 1
MAAC 1
MEAC 1
Mid-American 1
Missouri Valley 1
Northeast 1
Ohio Valley 1
Patriot 1
Southern 1
Southland 1
Summit 1
Sun Belt 1
SWAC 1


When half your conference gets into the tourney, ie Big East, while 21 of the 31 conferences get 1 or 2 (if they're lucky) into the tourney even though they have teams with better records and better RPIs, that's not being "fair". Why did Rhode Island at 23-9 get passed over for a 21-13 Minnesota who had a better RPI? And this is just one example. FSU, Missouri, UNLV, ND, Marquette, Florida all got into the NCAA on at large bids but Wichita Stat, UAB, Kent St, were passed. There's no fairness in bb either.

FYI, when the NCAA distributes basketball money, each conference gets 1 unit for every school they put into the dance. And who picks those schools? why its the coaches of those schools. Any wonder why the big 6 conferences, aka the BCS, got 32 of the 65 teams in.

The conferences you put in bold are all really really bad. Hope that clears things up for ya.

 

[GreveHaller]

The conferences you put in bold are all really really bad. Hope that clears things up for ya.

That's the point - they're bad but some had teams with better records and better RPIs than the conferences with multiple teams in. Go look at Kent State versus Minnesota.

 

[zjcvols]

This is my idea:

6 team playoff. The high ranked teams get to play a home game. First two teams get a bye. This in no way diminished the regular season. Only two from each conference.

So this year, the teams would be:

1. Auburn
2. Oregon
3. TCU
4. Stanford
5. Wisconsin
6. Ohio State

So it'd be Ohio State-TCU at TCU. Wisconsin-Stanford at Stanford.

Let's say Ohio State & Stanford won.

You then would have OSU-Auburn in the Orange Bowl. Stanford-Oregon would play in the Rose Bowl.

Let's say Auburn and Oregon win. You would Ohio State-Stanford playing in the Sugar Bowl for the third place game. Auburn-Oregon play in the Fiesta Bowl for the national titles.

The four big bowls rotate to host games every year.

That's just my opinion.

I also could see an eight team playoff where the first games were with homefield.

You can keep all the other bowls and the Big 4 bowls without worrying about losing them.

 

[tvolsfan]

Not sure how you can argue this given the examples of Boise State and TCU going undefeated and not getting in. With a play-off, their shot would not have ended with the rankings.

For them to win a national title, it's much more likely they go unbeaten and pull one upset than beat 3 more talented teams back to back.

 

[Billy Costigan]

I don't mind who pursues the playoff layout...just hoping they do it.
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[wheaton4prez]

For them to win a national title, it's much more likely they go unbeaten and pull one upset than beat 3 more talented teams back to back.

Despite multiple undefeated seasons, none of those teams have been given that one upset scenario. So, it looks like their odds of doing that in this system, so far, are a 0 in 4 chance.

Also, it's not a given that every play-off team they would face would be better.

 

[tvolsfan]

Despite multiple undefeated seasons, none of those teams have been given that one upset scenario. So, it looks like their odds of doing that in this system, so far, are a 0 in 4 chance.

Yeah, but they're still getting love and sympathy. A year like this where Auburn chokes up and TCU is playing for the national title against another team that's overachieving with less talent based on a weak schedule and a down season throughout the country. It's far more likely they win in a scenario like this. Much more likely than their chances of besting teams like last years Florida and Alabama squads to win it all.

 

[wheaton4prez]

Utah beat Alabama. Boise State beat Oklahoma. These teams have demonstrated that they can beat the supposedly out-of-their-reach teams.

What has not been demonstrated is that they have a shot at getting to the game in this system. This year, everyone was talking about how Auburn would go over TCU even if Auburn lost.

There is evidence that they could win a 3 tier play-off. There is no evidence so far that there is a way for them to get into the NC game.

 

[GreveHaller]

Utah beat Alabama. Boise State beat Oklahoma. These teams have demonstrated that they can beat the supposedly out-of-their-reach teams.

What has not been demonstrated is that they have a shot at getting to the game in this system. This year, everyone was talking about how Auburn would go over TCU even if Auburn lost.

There is evidence that they could win a 3 tier play-off. There is no evidence so far that there is a way for them to get into the NC game.

Fast foward to 2010

Stanford (11-1) plays Auburn (13-0). Stanford wins

TCU (12-0) plays Oregon (12-0). Oregon wins

Stanford (12-1) plays Oregon (13-0). Standford wins.

Stanford 13-1
Oregon 13-1
Auburn 13-1
TCU 13-1

Auburn then screms 'Standford cant be the best. We were #1 during the season and we didnt get to play them on the field. We are the champions'.

Yet another example of a playoff making the situation worse.

 

[tvolsfan]

Utah beat Alabama. Boise State beat Oklahoma. These teams have demonstrated that they can beat the supposedly out-of-their-reach teams.

Not in a game that matters.

There is evidence that they could win a 3 tier play-off. There is no evidence so far that there is a way for them to get into the NC game.

Absolutely ridiculous. You listed two wins. One against a team starting a wide receiver at quarterback and one against a team who cared so much about the game one of the players didn't even bother waiting for it to end to sign with an agent. One of these days, Boise State will find themselves losing end of blowout like Florida-Cincy from last season.

 

[VOLinFL_]

Fast foward to 2010

Stanford (11-1) plays Auburn (13-0). Stanford wins

TCU (12-0) plays Oregon (12-0). Oregon wins

Stanford (12-1) plays Oregon (13-0). Standford wins.

Stanford 13-1
Oregon 13-1
Auburn 13-1
TCU 13-1

Auburn then screms 'Standford cant be the best. We were #1 during the season and we didnt get to play them on the field. We are the champions'.

Yet another example of a playoff making the situation worse.

So even though there is a single, clear cut champion that WAS decided on the field, in your scenario, its worse than the BCS because the losers don't wanna accept it?

Wow, that's wayyy worse than having different AP and BCS champs the same year while six other schools claim to be gettin' jobbed.

God forbid they have a playoff and someone has to lose! They'll never accept it! Oh what a failed system it will be!

I say we just accept the crap, that is people get to decide who is the best on paper, and out of those two one of 'em must be the best, right??:ermm:

 

[Volfan76]

Bottom line is that a playoff system will be bad for every major college conference. The only schools that benefit are lower conference teams that won't schedule meaningful out of conference games and prove they are deserving. These schools know they can't win if they play a respectable schedule throughout the regular season.

A playoff would be the end of college football as we know it. While the current BCS system isn't perfect, it is close to being right. The only problem is that strength of schedule doesn't carry enough weight in the current formula. Tweak the formula and what little problem there is will correct itself as schools are forced to schedule tougher opponents if they want a shot at major bowl games.

 

[tvolsfan]

Didn't the Big 10 and Pac 10 say they would be against a plus 1 a few years ago? If that's the case, I'd think they would be against a playoff, too.

 

[Volfan76]

Didn't the Big 10 and Pac 10 say they would be against a plus 1 a few years ago? If that's the case, I'd think they would be against a playoff, too.

I'm pretty sure they are as against it as the SEC is...and for good reason.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm pretty sure they are as against it as the SEC is...and for good reason.

I think the SEC would probably benefit the most, to be honest. I'm still against it.

 

[GreveHaller]

I'm pretty sure they are as against it as the SEC is...and for good reason.

ugggh. As much as I hate to admit this, I believe you're mistaken. Actually, Slive presented the plus 1 but it was voted down specifically by the Big Imagiary Number.

 

[Volfan76]

I think the SEC would probably benefit the most, to be honest. I'm still against it.

How do you figure?

 

[Volfan76]

ugggh. As much as I hate to admit this, I believe you're mistaken. Actually, Slive presented the plus 1 but it was voted down specifically by the Big Imagiary Number.

He was for it for a period in '08. He didn't present the idea but got on board for a short period after Auburn got shunned, but since then has made comments like "Not with this generation of administrators. I don't know for sure, but I think you've got to hope that we die off."

 

[tvolsfan]

How do you figure?

I feel like, at least over the past few years, we have had the most teams capable of winning the title. The SEC hasn't always had the top teams, but I feel like in a year like this one, there are a few teams in the conference that could compete for the title if they were given a chance. For example, I think Bama would have a good shot at the national title in a 16 team playoff.

 

[Volfan76]

I feel like, at least over the past few years, we have had the most teams capable of winning the title. The SEC hasn't always had the top teams, but I feel like in a year like this one, there are a few teams in the conference that could compete for the title if they were given a chance. For example, I think Bama would have a good shot at the national title in a 16 team playoff.

Oh I agree completely that the SEC has had the most teams capable of winning the title. I think Bama is very good, but i'm not sure how deserving of a shot they are after 3 regular season loses. I think if there was 16 team playoff at the end of the year, SEC teams would start looking around and saying..hey why are we killing ourselves during the regular season by playing a brutal SEC schedule while Boise St, Utah, TCU, etc are playing practice scrimmage games with northeast nevada technical and cosmotology school to get ready for playoff season. While SEC schools throw everything in their playbooks and suffering key injuries, the TCU's of the world are basically in practice mode til playoff season. I would expect teams to defect from major conferences at some point and games like bama-ut to fall victim...and FORGET about any decent out of conference opponents. I think it will absolutely ruin the regular season of college football and eventually the major conferences.

 

[strongtower]

TCU doesn't have a say period; they ran the table and still got nothing. Any system where you can do everything in your power and still not get a shot at the title is a stupid system. This "the regular season is playoff" mantra is a load of crap.

a voice of reason here. the system is a sham. we need a playoff. who cares if it dilutes a few big games which is non sense. let the teams battle it in the field to see who is the best not a stupid computer.