Please hire a new secondary coach!

#76
#76
In the country, defensively, we rank #26 in YDS/Game... # 32 in PTS/Game (#56 rush yds/game & #63 pass yds/game).

In the country, offensively, we rank # 23 in YDS/Game... #45 in PTS/Game.
In the country, Milton is #54 passing rating / #43 pass % / #75 ave yds/pass.

It would appear the data suggests our struggles are more about successful offensive production, particularly in effective passing in scoring opportunities as we are # 17 in most FG attempts (#7 in FG made).

We are 6-2 and ranked in the Top 20 with two disappointing losses, and arguably room for improvement in the red zone, penalties, and consistent play; we have demonstrated improvement in our running game and overall defense from where we were last year... its just too damn early to talk about replacing coaches at this point of the season IMO.
 
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It's concerning these supposedly talented dbs that we've recruited over the last 3 years still aren't able to play over these sr. dbs. I would've hoped we would have recruited over them by now.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wiho coaches the CBs on how to turn their heads around and look for the ball? Banks or Martinez?
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What particular play are you talking about or are you just talking out of your rear again? On one particular play Slaughter played it exactly like your supposed to play it. UK's receiver still made the catch. That's what was happening to Hadden from time to time too... and people like you were demanding that he be benched. Sometimes the DB does all he can within the rules and still gets beat.
BigOrangeTrain said:
And why is it we only have 1 CB, Hadden that can play? Why haven’t any of these other CBs been developed? Hadden definitely has. Why can’t others? Whose fault is that Banks or Martinez?
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Still Banks if he's not having the CBs play press coverage. You have to play it and accept the mistakes or you play cautious and guys never develop the skills.

I'm not sure why so many of you have this thing for Martinez. He's not a DC. We've seen that. But he's had success for many years coaching DBs. Banks came to UT as a guy who Penn State wouldn't give the keys to. Did Martinez suddenly forget how to coach position and technique? Or is it the philosophy and playcalling of the DC?

Notice that when Banks DOES NOT play soft like he did against UK the D succeeds. A&M has better WRs than UK. They're faster. They're bigger. They're better. UT's DBs played them tight. So why give 10 yd cushions to UK? The most obvious answer is that Banks sold out to stop UK's run which makes sense. He wanted to make Leary beat the Vols. Again, makes sense. But then when Leary started making the throws... there was no back up plan or change to coverage. That's not because of one missing DB. That's not because of the DB coach. That's because the DC couldn't adjust.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
An analyst and a guy who has never coached DBs. What could go wrong?
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Thing is... an analyst could probably do most of what is required of a DB coach. They teach the position and technique. Changing the DB coach will not fix issues like the ones we saw vs UK.
 
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sjt18 said:
Thing is... an analyst could probably do most of what is required of a DB coach. They teach the position and technique. Changing the DB coach will not fix issues like the ones we saw vs UK.
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That depends on the analyst. If we hire Ron Zook as an analyst who was once the best DB coach on the planet….then yeah. If we promote a guy who didn’t play the position or has no coaching experience then I’m concerned.
 
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Coach Martinez's contract is up at the end of this year. Seeing how Heupel didnt renew it, i would suspect that they will look for a new DB coach after the season.
 
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sjt18 said:
What particular play are you talking about or are you just talking out of your rear again? On one particular play Slaughter played it exactly like your supposed to play it. UK's receiver still made the catch. That's what was happening to Hadden from time to time too... and people like you were demanding that he be benched. Sometimes the DB does all he can within the rules and still gets beat.

Still Banks if he's not having the CBs play press coverage. You have to play it and accept the mistakes or you play cautious and guys never develop the skills.

I'm not sure why so many of you have this thing for Martinez. He's not a DC. We've seen that. But he's had success for many years coaching DBs. Banks came to UT as a guy who Penn State wouldn't give the keys to. Did Martinez suddenly forget how to coach position and technique? Or is it the philosophy and playcalling of the DC?

Notice that when Banks DOES NOT play soft like he did against UK the D succeeds. A&M has better WRs than UK. They're faster. They're bigger. They're better. UT's DBs played them tight. So why give 10 yd cushions to UK? The most obvious answer is that Banks sold out to stop UK's run which makes sense. He wanted to make Leary beat the Vols. Again, makes sense. But then when Leary started making the throws... there was no back up plan or change to coverage. That's not because of one missing DB. That's not because of the DB coach. That's because the DC couldn't adjust.
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I'm not sure we should've adjusted? We were never losing. Why would we adjust if we are winning?
 
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LWSVOL said:
some would. and that will be used when he struggles to win 8 games some year.
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Fair enough. Admitting errors and correcting them are key things in any profession though. Fulmer never got that memo, and it ultimately cost him. You’re not going to get every hire or every recruit right. Gotta cut ties and move on when necessary bc it will happen. Fine line between loyalty and stubbornness. I like Heupel a lot… but gotta have some humility to acknowledge that you’re not going to bat a thousand and that doesn’t mean you’re a bad leader or coach. Just means you’re human and this in particular is a cut throat business.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Fair enough. Admitting errors and correcting them are key things in any profession though. Fulmer never got that memo, and it ultimately cost him. You’re not going to get every hire or every recruit right. Gotta cut ties and move on when necessary bc it will happen. Fine line between loyalty and stubbornness. I like Heupel a lot… but gotta have some humility to acknowledge that you’re not going to bat a thousand and that doesn’t mean you’re a bad leader or coach. Just means you’re human and this in particular is a cut throat business.
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whichever one it is, might be both, he hasn't shown me yet a willingness to make moves... it shows up on playing players also...
 
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NetworkVol said:
I'm not sure we should've adjusted? We were never losing. Why would we adjust if we are winning?
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You can't take the risk of letting them hit all those easy throws. This was a very close game. UK couldn't run the ball but continually drove the field hitting easy throws to open receivers with the secondary giving 5-10 yd cushions.

"Luck" isn't a good winning strategy. Hoping that the opponent won't find a way to punch it in after driving the field on you... is a strategy that has repeatedly FAILED with this DC.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
That depends on the analyst. If we hire Ron Zook as an analyst who was once the best DB coach on the planet….then yeah. If we promote a guy who didn’t play the position or has no coaching experience then I’m concerned.
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My point is that the "go to" argument when we see this kind of defensive performance for some is to call for Martinez to be fired. Martinez teaches the position and technique. I get why UT played to stop the run first. Makes sense. But when you do so and then their QB destroys you in soft coverage... you change your playcalling and make adjustments to the gameplan. That isn't Martinez's call. That's Banks.
 
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#91

Please hire a new secondary coach!​


Only if he can suit up on Saturday
 
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#92
One issue is you want to have the receivers covered and with them before looking for the ball....In most cases we don't have them covered...giving too much cushion and are too busy running to catch up to look for the ball.

Our coverage has been better this season at times and over the past 2 seasons that's not saying a lot...Our pass rush has been better for the most part this year thus making the DBs better.
 
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sjt18 said:
You can't take the risk of letting them hit all those easy throws. This was a very close game. UK couldn't run the ball but continually drove the field hitting easy throws to open receivers with the secondary giving 5-10 yd cushions.

"Luck" isn't a good winning strategy. Hoping that the opponent won't find a way to punch it in after driving the field on you... is a strategy that has repeatedly FAILED with this DC.
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sjt18 said:
People keep up this abject idiocy and keep repeating it. Martinez isn't the final word on the game plan. Martinez isn't calling plays or making the decision to give 10 yard cushions. That's Banks.

Changing Martinez and keeping Banks is like changing your fridge because your power keeps going out.
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You are correct. Banks is the problem.
 
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We were facing a Kentucky team that had a stout running game with a QB that was wildly inconsistent. What would have been your game plan against Kentucky? Take away the run and Make Leary beat you? The intangible here is that SEC officials no longer call holding on our opponents. If Kentucky's O Line had not been allowed to practice jujitsu on our pass rushers, Leary would have been very uncomfortable and would have looked a lot more like the Leary we've seen all year.
 
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FollowTheLeader said:
What problem?
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Easy throws due to soft coverage. Allowing huge games to guys like Leary this year and Rattler last year or even teams like UTSA. Routinely having opposing OC's bait him or otherwise out wit and play call him.
 
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DaddyChad said:
No idea. Believe there were stories about the entire staff getting raises and extensions. I think Willie just got a pay bump but no extension. Maybe Heupel was on the fence on him; maybe Banks was on the fence on him?

Raises, contract extensions revealed for Tennessee’s football coaching staff

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Josh Heupel isn’t the only Tennessee football coach contractually tied to the Vols long term.

The contracts of five assistant coaches have been extended beyond the 2023 season, Knox News has learned. Four additional assistants already had multi-year deals.

Only secondary coach Willie Martinez is not under contract beyond the 2023 season, but he received a $75,000 raise. Martinez has been a trusted assistant of Heupel's for five seasons at Central Florida and UT. But the Vols ranked No. 127 in pass defense among 131 FBS teams last season.


From KNS back in Feb. I'm not gonna link to a pay article though. Don't care to give them much traffic.
 
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