Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

[PEPPERJAX]

Monty is 100% a Kombucha guy

I just educated myself.
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[MontyPython]

Again, we're not talking about petty theft.

My original post:

"Unless that act directly endangers you or your family (e.g. burning down your house), the use of deadly force against the simple destruction of property would result is against the law in nearly every state.

So, in short, you'd find yourself behind bars if you did that. "

Thank you for acknowledging that I was correct.

 

[hog88]

That part of Tennessee now?

In TN you have no obligation to retreat.

 

[BeardedVol]

I would argue that it is. Anyone that continues to "walk toward" an armed property owner after being warned and instructed to leave is a threat.

I have. You should before you continue with stupid arguments.

You might try to argue that, a competent attorney is not going to try to argue that in court.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Unsurprising that you don't actually know what a 'strawman argument' actually invovles.

We’ve already pointed to the fact that you’re parsing to words not asserted in the original statement. So yeah I actually do. The hilarious part is as has been shown just above you’re wrong in your parsing too

 

[NorthDallas40]

That part of Tennessee now?

 

[hog88]

My original post:

"Unless that act directly endangers you or your family (e.g. burning down your house), the use of deadly force against the simple destruction of property would result is against the law in nearly every state.

So, in short, you'd find yourself behind bars if you did that. "

Thank you for acknowledging that I was correct.

If someone is destroying my property right in front of me, they are a threat.

 

[hog88]

You might try to argue that, a competent attorney is not going to try to argue that in court.

LOL Ok

But you're probably right because there wouldn't be any charges. So no need for an attorney.

 

[FLVOL_79]

That part of Tennessee now?

Nope. Just saying how it is in Georgia. In Florida someone had to be IN your house to pop them. Here (Georgia), apparently, castle doctrine applies to your property lines.

 

[hog88]

Nope. Just saying how it is in Georgia. In Florida someone had to be IN your house to pop them. Here (Georgia), apparently, castle doctrine applies to your property lines.

In Tn it carries to your automobile.

 

[davethevol]

If your attorney attempts to use "he walked towards him" as the basis for an affirmative 'self-defense' defense, then you should've chosen a better attorney.

If someone continues to advance on someone with a gun visible that has made it clear not to come closer, then they would be acting in self defense if the person continued moving towards them. They’d absolutely have a legit case.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

You might try to argue that, a competent attorney is not going to try to argue that in court.

It seems you are the expert. Will you Please enlighten us?

 

[NorthDallas40]

It seems you are the expert. Will you Please enlighten us?

He keeps trying but thus far we aren’t buying his bull

 

[hog88]

It seems you are the expert. Will you Please enlighten us?

I think he's an expert on Covid also.

 

[BeardedVol]

We’ve already pointed to the fact that you’re parsing to words not asserted in the original statement. So yeah I actually do. The hilarious part is as has been shown just above you’re wrong in your parsing too

Even if I were "parsing words" that's not what a 'strawman argument' is, so no your post is still irrelevant to the discussion as to whether or not the use of deadly force is authorized in the state of Tennessee, solely for the protection of property, or the removal of a trespasser.

Literally posted the pertinent laws, but you've disregarded that because of your "feels" on the subject. The use of deadly force in the protection of property or the removal of a trespasser, is still under the purview of Tennessee's self-defense laws.

Saying "they walked towards me after I told them to get off my lawn" is not going to pass muster for the justification in the use of deadly force. You better have evidence of them threatening to harm you, or having something they could use as a viable weapon in their hands, or you are going to do some jail time, even outside Davidson county.

 

[hog88]

Even if I were "parsing words" that's not what a 'strawman argument' is, so no your post is still irrelevant to the discussion as to whether or not the use of deadly force is authorized in the state of Tennessee, solely for the protection of property, or the removal of a trespasser.

Literally posted the pertinent laws, but you've disregarded that because of your "feels" on the subject. The use of deadly force in the protection of property or the removal of a trespasser, is still under the purview of Tennessee's self-defense laws.

Saying "they walked towards me after I told them to get off my lawn" is not going to pass muster for the justification in the use of deadly force. You better have evidence of them threatening to harm your, or having something they could use as a viable weapon in their hands, or you are going to do some jail time, even outside Davidson county.

Hence my comment about thinking twice to make sure of 1 shot 1 kill. Don't want 2 stories being told.

 

[84Volfan]

You might try to argue that, a competent attorney is not going to try to argue that in court.

The Basics of a Self-Defense Claim in Tennessee | Barnes Law Firm

This helps explain self defense in TN....another important thing to note. Another reasonable person must also share the belief lethal force was warranted. It all hinges on the perceived threat felt by one who uses lethal force.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Even if I were "parsing words" that's not what a 'strawman argument' is, so no your post is still irrelevant to the discussion as to whether or not the use of deadly force is authorized in the state of Tennessee, solely for the protection of property, or the removal of a trespasser.

Literally posted the pertinent laws, but you've disregarded that because of your "feels" on the subject. The use of deadly force in the protection of property or the removal of a trespasser, is still under the purview of Tennessee's self-defense laws.

Saying "they walked towards me after I told them to get off my lawn" is not going to pass muster for the justification in the use of deadly force. You better have evidence of them threatening to harm you, or having something they could use as a viable weapon in their hands, or you are going to do some jail time, even outside Davidson county.

You avoided the initial problem statement lil’reb made of “continues to advance” and inserted the phrase “stands there and makes faces at you” and defended that stance. It is the literal definition of a straw man fallacy as multiple people have pointed out to you. And neither case in discussion in Portland or Kenosha happened in TN. So you’re just full of all kinds of relevant information as well as being full of other stuff.

 

[84Volfan]

In Tn it carries to your automobile.

Yes. Castle Doctrine is much easier to be defended than stand your ground self defense. Stand your ground can apply anywhere that one is legal to be, isn't involved in criminal activity, and not under any influence of drug or alcohol.

 

[BeardedVol]

The Basics of a Self-Defense Claim in Tennessee | Barnes Law Firm

This helps explain self defense in TN....another important thing to note. Another reasonable person must also share the belief lethal force was warranted. It all hinges on the perceived threat felt by one who uses lethal force.

Direct quote from that law firm's explanation: Deadly force is never warranted to protect items of personal property or to get a trespasser off a property if they are not trying to enter the building or its dire.

Literally the same thing that I've already posted.

 

[84Volfan]

Direct quote from that law firm's explanation: Deadly force is never warranted to protect items of personal property or to get a trespasser off a property if they are not trying to enter the building or its dire.

Literally the same thing that I've already posted.

I never argued you can use deadly force to get a trespasser off one's property. You also can't shoot someone for stealing your property either. I am simply trying to inform you on how stand your ground works. This is one subject I am well versed in.

 

[BeardedVol]

You avoided the initial problem statement lil’reb made of “continues to advance” and inserted the phrase “stands there and makes faces at you” and defended that stance. It is the literal definition of a straw man fallacy as multiple people have pointed out to you. And neither case in discussion in Portland or Kenosha happened in TN. So you’re just full of all kinds of relevant information as well as being full of other stuff.

"continues to advance" alone with no other evidence =/= "I've got carte blanche justification to produce a firearm and shoot the advancing person dead". You are still going to have to prove, that you were in defense of your life.

Feel free to try it out, let us know how that works out for you.

 

[hog88]

Direct quote from that law firm's explanation: Deadly force is never warranted to protect items of personal property or to get a trespasser off a property if they are not trying to enter the building or its dire.

Literally the same thing that I've already posted.

True, you can't walk up on someone and shoot them because they are vandalizing your property (at least not in the back, get around in front and make sure there are no witnesses) but you absolutely have a self defense claim if they are coming onto your property to vandalize it and you tell them to leave and they continue to advance.

 

[Vol737]

At a press conference in Portland City Hall, Wheeler addressed Trump directly.

"Do you seriously wonder, Mr. President, why this is the first time in decades that America has seen this level of violence?" he asked. "It's you who have created the hate and the division. And now you want me to stop the violence that you helped create. What America needs is for you to be stopped so that Americans can come together."


Asked by a reporter about Trump's comments that he wasn't surprised by a killing in Portland, Wheeler reacted with visible anger.

"I's appreciate that either the president support us or stay the hell out of the way," Wheeler said. "Of course he's not surprised. He encouraged them to come into our city."


“Last night — stoked by a president who has gone out of his way to demonize this city and encourage vigilantism in service to white supremacy and his own fragile ego — armed participants of a pro-Trump caravan terrorized downtown Portland, driving their vehicles and shooting paintballs and pepper spray directly at community members and journalists,” Kafoury said in a statement. “They came to create confrontation and were able to do so.”

You good with militia doing this? Pretty sure your LEO, so I doubt it.

Wheeler is a complete dolt. He and the Portland City council are the reason this is happening - because they allow it. Who “made” these left wing nuts riot for 100+ days now and burn s*** to the ground?? Trump isn’t making anyone do anything. If so, they have no cognitive ability anyway. Morons, one and all.

 

[NorthDallas40]

"continues to advance" alone with no other evidence =/= "I've got carte blanche justification to produce a firearm and shoot the advancing person dead". You are still going to have to prove, that you were in defense of your life.

Feel free to try it out, let us know how that works out for you.

And in Texas I can blow him away and face no consequences. Now drop more irrelevant TN legislation saying I’m wrong. And neither law basis applies in WI or OR. Thanks for playing.