Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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False flag claims imminent
 
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PointGuard said:
Nah you just didnโ€™t like the realistic answer I gave you. Apparently Itโ€™s OK for cops to continue to shoot unarmed blacks in the back. Those receiving the bullets or knees on the neck should be grateful?
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PointGuard said:
How many white guys would have been shot in back 7 times? You cops start with a whole different demeanor with blacks in identical situations
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KB5252 said:
You're the one making the argument they are shot more than white people. The onus is on you to provide the data to support the assertion.
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Blacks being disproportionately killed by police has no empirical evidence to support it.

That's racist!
Lets look at some empirical data -

We will be using three sources. One is a government source, the other two are far left sources just so leftists can't reject them.(I'd hate to use sources race baiting democrats don't find reputable)

Source 1: Table 43

Source 2: Hereโ€™s How Many People Police Killed in 2017

Source 3: The Data Is In: Police Disproportionately Killed Black People in 2017

All sources are about 2017.

Using just these sources, We disprove outright the claim that police disproportionately kill blacks. To do this, I am going to compare populations. I will not do the dishonest thing, and compare total populations. Rather, I will compare criminal populations. This is an important distinction, because it completely sidesteps dishonest arguments based on the per capita population, because no population is made entirely of criminals except the criminal population.

According to the FBI, the total number of arrests in 2017 was 8,162,849. According to The Root, the total number of people killed by the police in 2017 is 1,129. We are going to add those together to get a total attempted arrests, presuming that any incident that ended in death would have otherwise ended in arrest. This total is 8,163,978.

1129 is 0.0138290427% of 8163978, or ~0.014%. That is 14 in 100000. That puts your odds of surviving any arrest at ~99.986%.

According to the FBI, in 2017, blacks were arrested 2,221,697 times. According to DiversityInc, blacks made up 27% of people killed by police. Please note, they do not give a number, but a percentage. 27% of 1129 is 304.83, or ~305. Adding those deaths to the arrests, we get 2,222,002.

2222002 is 27.2171483069% of 8,163,978, or ~27%.

Please note the proportions. 2222002 is 27% of 8,163,978. 305 is 27% of 1129.

These numbers are proportional. Blacks are not being disproportionately killed by the police. 305 is 0.0137263603% of 2222002. Please recall that 1129 is 0.0138290427% of 8163978. Blacks are actually killed slightly less than the total percentage. But those percentages are both ~0.014%, or 14 in 100000. Black criminals have a nearly equal survival rate as the total survival rate. In fact, their chances are slightly better.

In conclusion: blacks made up ~27% of the total crime, and ~27% of the total death. The odds of surviving a police encounter were ~99.986% in total. The odds of surviving a police encounter were ~99.986% as a black person. It's time to stop letting people lie about this.

Also this https://archive.is/XLNh4

Then we can keep going with empirical data showing how of the officers that actually shoot people a higher % of the officers that shoot are black officers whether the victim is white or black.
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Out of 8.1 million arrests made, blacks comprised 2.2 million of those arrests. The empirical data shows blacks are more likely than whites to survive an arrest encounter.

If you want to posit police target blacks for arrest(which the arrest data hardly supports), then the death ratio's would completely rebuke any notion of systematic homicidal intent.

Finally there's the issue of a higher% of black officers involved in shootings(last link in the quote) than white officers. Another empirical data point that debunks any notion of systematic white on black racial killings by police officers.

This is why many of us have come to abhor MSM(Fox included), the Democratic parties endorsement of BLM, and the Racist false narratives purported in the name of ratings.

I've leaned left most my life. I generally identify with more left issues than right. All the Democrats had to do pre-2016 was not threaten 1A, 2A, and take border control serious. Document 5-10 million immigrants a year for all I care as long as they're in the system. That's all it took to get my vote.

I've never had any notion of either party being GOOD in the altruistic sense. They're all (Reps/Dems/Trumps) morally bankrupt degenerate reprobates. The extent the Democratic party & their 5/6MSM outlets have become willing to disingenuously polarize America along racially divisive lines has got to stop.

How many of our cities need to burn behind a false narrative of racially motivated police killings?

Finally, it's very hard to find year to year empirical data. If anyone can find data that refutes what I'm posting then please post it.
 
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37L1 said:
Thanks again for your reply.

No surprise, but I think a lot depends on where we are standing that effects the why/how we see things.

If we are a defendant or an advocate for the defense we see the law and how it is administered as favoring the cops and the prosecution.

If we are a victim or a police officer/prosecutor we see the law and how it is administered as favoring the suspect.

Both views can be valid (to an extent) even though they would appear to be conflicting.

How we see recent events, (and which ones) can also be compelling, depending on where your sympathies fall.

Black man shot by the police/police officers shot in an ambush. Which is more compelling?

I guess it depends.
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I agree somewhat. But any view of the system that posits that it favors the defendant is delegitimized by the existence of wrongful convictions.

All of the protections guaranteed a defendant are worthless if the defendant cannot have confidence that the truth will ultimately win out or if he can expect to spend as much or more time incarcerated to contest his case than if he plead guilty.

Sure, there are facets of the system that cause inconveniences for prosecutors and victims, but in the end, thatโ€™s all they are. Most of those inconveniences have the same root cause as the problems facing the defendant.
 
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Looking forward to another round of punks shot in the streets tonight. A few more dead buddies in the street should get the point across to the anarchist. I read a quote from one of the thugs that said " property can be replaced, people can't". Yep, your dead buddy ain't coming back. He's dead forever.
 
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Zues1 said:
Looking forward to another round of punks shot in the streets tonight. A few more dead buddies in the street should get the point across to the anarchist. I read a quote from one of the thugs that said " property can be replaced, people can't". Yep, your dead buddy ain't coming back. He's dead forever.
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They will never learn, and that isn't a bad thing for society.
 
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