Poll: Nico or Joe vs UTSA?

Poll: Nico or Joe vs UTSA?

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#26
#26
Nico would 100% be giving up his NIL deal if he leaves Knoxville. There is a location clause. Got that straight from the horse’s mouth. I posted the details on VN months ago.

The only way he keeps this deal is live in Knoxville. Otherwise he would need a new contract.
 
#30
#30
This game was lost in the trenches.

Don't roast Joe. He's our best shot moving forward. For now. Period.

Nico will have his day and - hopefully - be competing for an NC.
 
#31
#31
There is not a QB out there who would be successful behind this OL. Not a single one.

And I can double down on that with the inept play calling. We are more predictable than the sun rising in the east. And if I see another bubble screen, I’d likely scream.
 
#34
#34
willinhf said:
There is not a QB out there who would be successful behind this OL. Not a single one.

And I can double down on that with the inept play calling. We are more predictable than the sun rising in the east. And if I see another bubble screen, I’d likely scream.
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In case you haven’t, we mostly have to throw the bubble screen. Only thing ole joe can complete consistently
 
#35
#35
unfrozencvmanvol said:
If Nico was better than Milton right now he'd be starting already. That doesn't mean Nico won't be really good, but true freshmen have a HUGE learning curve going from high school to the SEC. We don't want to throw him to the wolves like we did Guarantano and break him mentally too. Guarantano's internal clock was permanently broken by those early beatings he took. If Heupel thought Nico was capable of saving the season, he'd already have played. It's probably best to ride with Milton, see if he can figure it out, he's got several games at home to play. If we've got 3 or more losses after Bama, let's start the transition in a way that tries to set him up for success.
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I don’t believe this as I don’t think Heupel is mature enough of a coach to make the swap and successfully manage that constant PR….

To me Joe and Nico are a spitting image of Dabo with Kelly Bryant and Trevor Lawrence.

Everyone knows that Milton (Bryant) is a bridge QB to the future in Nico (Lawrence) after a very elite “franchise QB” in Hooker (Watson)…. Dabo had a natty to shut down the naysayers on ripping the Bandaid off to go with the highly touted 5 star in Lawrence and he leaned on that to shut the fans and media up.

I’m not sure Heupel can manage that same environment when Nico will make mistakes or even lose a game or two. He can point to the future and say Nico is gonna be our QB for 2+ years but articulating that in a way that doesn’t revolt the fans is a tall task i don’t think he’s up to.

Because the minute Nico loses a game against a weaker SEC team or makes a lot of mistakes in a game that is closer than it should be, all these fans gonna be going wild.
 
#36
#36
tbh said:
Milton is a paper tiger...while he’s physically gifted and probably a swell teammate off the field, there is something missing between the ears. If the argument against rolling with Iamalaeva from here onward is that our OL sucks and he'll get injured, could it be that his speed can help avoid that as well as mitigate the OL's deficiencies?
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Absolutely correct
 
#37
#37
MontyPython said:
This game was lost in the trenches.

Don't roast Joe. He's our best shot moving forward. For now. Period.

Nico will have his day and - hopefully - be competing for an NC.
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Best shot for what exactly. Getting embarrassed
 
#38
#38
The way I see it is this:

We aren’t beating UGA or Bama with Milton. Could possibly lose to USCjr and TAMU.

That’s a 5 loss season. Might as well let Nico get game experience.
 
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#40
#40
unfrozencvmanvol said:
If Nico was better than Milton right now he'd be starting already. That doesn't mean Nico won't be really good, but true freshmen have a HUGE learning curve going from high school to the SEC. We don't want to throw him to the wolves like we did Guarantano and break him mentally too. Guarantano's internal clock was permanently broken by those early beatings he took. If Heupel thought Nico was capable of saving the season, he'd already have played. It's probably best to ride with Milton, see if he can figure it out, he's got several games at home to play. If we've got 3 or more losses after Bama, let's start the transition in a way that tries to set him up for success.
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See if he can figure it out, hahaha. When are you going to figure it out
 
#41
#41
If you think bringing in a true freshman qb is going to solve this teams issues, you’re an idiot. Can Nico wave a magic wand and make Ollie Lane into an SEC caliber lineman? Can he sprinkle some pixie dust on the defense so they suddenly learn how to tackle? Can he give the refs a stink eye so fierce they start calling the game honestly?
 
#42
#42
EZE said:
The pitchfork crowd won’t want to hear this, but Milton wasn’t as bad in this game as they want to believe.

He made a very poor decision that led to a very bad pick. But his O Line deserves some blame there, too.

But, he was 20-34, 287 yds, 2 TDs and the pick. Given the O Line problems, those are respectable numbers.

Downside…the offense didn’t close several drives with points. Milton deserves some criticism, but the rest of the unit does too, along with some very suspect officiating.

Finally, the atrocious defense in the first half was the main problem in this game.
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So many problems. Pre-snap penalties (should be fixable). Missed tackles (Wrapping up would help). Defense having trouble lining up. We need a receiver who can get free. Getting Mays back would help, but not until he is 100%.
There is a lot of coaching to do.
Why does a DL go offside when FL is only trying to draw us offside. I don’t know if coaching will change that kind if brain phart.
 
#44
#44
Both. Joe isn't all or even most of the problem, but we need to start getting Nico's feet wet.
 
#45
#45
Butch s said:
See if he can figure it out, hahaha. When are you going to figure it out
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Dude, I'm just saying some are letting this fanfic hope that Nico is currently some rock star who will come in and lead us to a 14-1 season cloud their judgement. If he was that good, Milton wouldn't have been playing. I agree Milton ain't it, but it's entirely possible, very likely even, that Heupel (who has seen 100% of the practices vs. the 0% most VN posters have seen) is right that Milton currently gives us the best chance to win at present.

Some people don't want to hear that, because it shatters the 14-1 fantasy, but the worst thing we could do would be to throw our QB of the future out there before he is ready and have him get injured or broken mentally. This season we will be lucky to win 8-9 games, no matter what, next year can be alot better but we need to bring Nico along in a manner that maintains the integrity of the locker room (I imagine Joe Milton's got a lot of support in there as long as he's been here), and sets Nico up for success when it's inevitably his time. Fans forget these decisions involve human beings and have cultural/morale consequences, it's not Madden where you just plug another guy in.
 
#47
#47
unfrozencvmanvol said:
If Nico was better than Milton right now he'd be starting already. That doesn't mean Nico won't be really good, but true freshmen have a HUGE learning curve going from high school to the SEC. We don't want to throw him to the wolves like we did Guarantano and break him mentally too. Guarantano's internal clock was permanently broken by those early beatings he took. If Heupel thought Nico was capable of saving the season, he'd already have played. It's probably best to ride with Milton, see if he can figure it out, he's got several games at home to play. If we've got 3 or more losses after Bama, let's start the transition in a way that tries to set him up for success.
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We already saw that Hooker was 2nd to Milton under Heupel, so that’s not true at all.
 
#50
#50
DonDiego said:
If Joe could play QB and block for himself, and switch over to defense and tackle some running backs, and play a little defensive backfield, we probably would have won the game.
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You have a somewhat legit argument but there’s no excuse for Joe throwing balls in the dirt on plays that HAVE TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE. The overthrows seemed to creep back up last night as well.
 
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