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#76
#76
DonjoVol said:
Can you prove that the alternative energy will work? What data can you provide to back up any claims you are making?
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Yes, solar as an alternate works when correctly paired with storage. It's already in use in many places
 
#77
#77
utvolpj said:
Yes, solar as an alternate works when correctly paired with storage. It's already in use in many places
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Prove that it works on a large scale. And that it would work well in the summer in Tennessee or in winter in northern Minnesota.
 
#78
#78
LSU-SIU said:
What do you consider long-term?

That simply isn't what is going on today. They are causing (creating) problems, with a solution that doesn't solve the problem(s) they created.

So, if this continues much further what are the chances of a massive depopulation event(s). I would say very high.
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Who is they? I don't think the govt is interested in real solutions that don't fill their pockets. That's why the "well what happens at night when there's no sun?" stance is so idiotic
 
#79
#79
utvolpj said:
Super cheap but dirty energy is not a maintainable solution. Had we invested intelligently in alternatives that would likely be much cheaper as well. Saying it's just a long term problem is how we got here in the first place
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I'm not sure what you mean by "dirty", or what that is suppose to mean. All these "green" solutions are full chemicals, wasted, toxic waste, etc.

Had we invested intelligently in alternatives that would likely be much cheaper as well.
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They invested in scams, which is why all the government handouts which are into the 100s of billions if not trillions has increased energy output in this country ZERO.

You are going to have to speak with facts and not emotion.
 
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#81
utvolpj said:
Who is they? I don't think the govt is interested in real solutions that don't fill their pockets. That's why the "well what happens at night when there's no sun?" stance is so idiotic
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Its not idiotic, its the truth. Wait till you see all the smart (non-idiotic) Germans figuring it out this winter.

The truth of the matter, most of this is a scam... which is why California has energy blackouts and Germans are going to pay a heavy price in the coming years.
 
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#82
DonjoVol said:
Prove that it works on a large scale. And that it would work well in the summer in Tennessee or in winter in northern Minnesota.
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Look at Texas

So because it won't always work in Minnesota it's not a tenable solution? Instead of solar how about they use geothermal?
 
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#83
LSU-SIU said:
Its not idiotic, its the truth. Wait till you see all the smart (non-idiotic) Germans figuring it out this winter.
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Had they invested in it a decade ago where would they be? It's like the US believing that chips and meds would just always flow from China. Govt is the king of short sighted thinking
 
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#84
utvolpj said:
Look at Texas

So because it won't always work in Minnesota it's not a tenable solution? Instead of solar how about they use geothermal?
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There are different ways of generating energy, some things could in theory work which won't work in other places.... at scale in most places nothing is going to replace oil, gas, nuclear, etc. for the money.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There are different ways of generating energy, some things could in theory work which won't work in other places.... at scale in most places nothing is going to replace oil, gas, nuclear, etc. for the money.
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Oil, coal, etc are much different than nuke and should be considered separate. Nuke is a real alternative as well
 
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#86
utvolpj said:
Had they invested in it a decade ago where would they be? It's like the US believing that chips and meds would just always flow from China. Govt is the king of short sighted thinking
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Germans started heavily investing in wind and solar in the 90s, which is why they are having problems.

What are you talking about? You're not making much sense.
 
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#87
utvolpj said:
Oil, coal, etc are much different than nuke and should be considered separate. Nuke is a real alternative as well
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Doesn't matter, the powers that be are not allowing nuclear to move forward.

The world needs it all i.e. coal, gas, oil, nuclear and solar/wind over the next 100-250 years until technology exists and slowly move over time.
 
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#89
LSU-SIU said:
Germans started heavily investing in wind and solar in the 90s, which is why they are having problems.

What are you talking about? You're not making much sense.
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Yet the only solution of the engineering Germans was to rely on a provider who weeks be their enemy in a war? Sounds as if govt got in the way

You always believe the status quo will continue until it doesn't. Companies know that and many plan for the future. There is no incentive for the govt to do it unless the citizens demand it. That's why people listening to this woman puts us all behind
 
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#91
LSU-SIU said:
Doesn't matter, the powers that be are not allowing nuclear to move forward.

The world needs it all i.e. coal, gas, oil, nuclear and solar/wind over the next 100-250 years until technology exists and slowly move over time.
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Coal and oil should be the first targets. But the US will never lead that effort
 
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#92
utvolpj said:
Yet the only solution of the engineering Germans was to rely on a provider who weeks be their enemy in a war? Sounds as if govt got in the way

You always believe the status quo will continue until it doesn't. Companies know that and many plan for the future. There is no incentive for the govt to do it unless the citizens demand it. That's why people listening to this woman puts us all behind
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They relied on one provider when they could have been seeking multiple providers of energy imports and even growing their own.

They are going to freeze this winter because they believed the lie. Worse case scenario they start another WW like they did last time.
 
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#94
LSU-SIU said:
They relied on one provider when they could have been seeking multiple providers of energy imports and even growing their own.

They are going to freeze this winter because they believed the lie.
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They failed to plan what could happen when the country that necessitated the formation of nato might not like them anymore. A country that already had a deep hatred of Germany going back decades
 
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#95
LSU-SIU said:
The goal is massive depopulation, nobody is looking for a solution to the problem they created.
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Whose goal? I don't believe population should simply increase unabated either. It's not a workable plan
 
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#96
utvolpj said:
They failed to plan what could happen when the country that necessitated the formation of nato might not like them anymore. A country that already had a deep hatred of Germany going back decades
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But they did plan i.e. green energy. You just don't want to face that fact.

In theory you could power the whole country of German off of solar/wind, but it comes down to cost. Once the costs get so high than everything breaks down. If you are working 90% (money) to produce the energy you need to live and produce than that doesn't work. LOL

There really isn't anything complex about this. This is why the Google solar project was shut down i.e. costs.

Production isn't the problem, its the amount of money it takes to generate the production. The reality is... most of this isn't going to work at scale right now.... and probably for the foreseeable future.

Windmills have been around for 100s of years, so what?
 
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#97
LSU-SIU said:
But they did plan i.e. green energy. You just don't want to face that fact.

In theory you could power the whole country of German off of solar/wind, but it comes down to cost. Once the costs get so high than everything breaks down. If you are working 90% (money) to produce the energy you need to live and produce than that doesn't work. LOL

There really isn't anything complex about this. This is why the Google solar project was shut down i.e. costs.

Production isn't the problem, its the amount of money it takes to generate the production. The reality is... most of this isn't going to work at scale right now.... and probably for the foreseeable future.

Windmills have been around for 100s of years, so what?
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They planned yet couldn't come up with a viable alternative besides relying on Russia? That's not really a plan is it?
 
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#98
utvolpj said:
They planned yet couldn't come up with a viable alternative besides relying on Russia? That's not really a plan is it?
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The plan was to replace it with green energy ****, but that doesn't work at scale. So, they did what you wanted them to do.... and it will fail.

They could have invested in all kinds of energy projects from building out coal plants to nuclear, they went the green way. Your way.

What you are saying is they should have have doubled and tripled the stupid green plan, well, they would be just that much more down the shitter.

You really aren't making sense.

What you are doing is saying.... we sell things at a loss but we'll make it up on volume.
 
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#99
LSU-SIU said:
The plan was to replace it with green energy ****, but that doesn't work at scale. So, they did what you wanted them to do.... and it will fail.
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No I've consistently said alternatives not only "green" energy. For example, they could have had nuke plants up and running in that time yet didn't.

Germans relying on Russians to stay alive should have forced someone to realize that could backfire
 
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#100
utvolpj said:
No I've consistently said alternatives not only "green" energy. For example, they could have had nuke plants up and running in that time yet didn't.

Germans relying on Russians to stay alive should have forced someone to realize that could backfire
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Yet the Germans are in the process of shutting down nuclear power plants.

The road blocks that are there for coal, gas, and oil... are the same roadblocks for nuclear.

Green energy is basically a way of rich people to get richer while we await the depopulation process.
 
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