Possible Replacement For Serrano?

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Hubbs is not a UT employee but he is in good with the entire athletic dept. He wouldn't float an idea like this without getting the info from a reliable source. May even be at the source's request. The UT Athletic Dept has done this in the past in similar situations.
 
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billmynatt said:
Vol Network personnel are employed by IMG, who contracts with UT to broadcast the games. Brent doesn't work for UT, If he did he couldn't operate Volquest.

Serrano is going to "walk" because he feels betrayed? Get a grip. The man isn't stupid. He knows his contract expires after the season is over. If he hasn't put feelers out there himself for other potential positions, just in case he doesn't get a new contract, then he isn't as smart as I think he is, and I do believe he is smart enough to hedge his bets, just like Hart has likely done.

Brent didn't do anything wrong here. It's a business and coaching changes are business decisions.
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No one is arguing it's not a business decision. Publicly saying the AD has reached out to potential candidates, when there's not an opening looks pretty ****ty, no matter how you slice it. Who wants to work for an AD that "openly" shops around while you're still an employee. I'm sure you would have no issues with it if it happened to you; cause it's a business decision. You want to fill my spot with someone better? Let me go.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
No one is arguing it's not a business decision. Publicly saying the AD has reached out to potential candidates, when there's not an opening looks pretty ****ty, no matter how you slice it. Who wants to work for an AD that "openly" shops around while you're still an employee. I'm sure you would have no issues with it if it happened to you; cause it's a business decision. You want to fill my spot with someone better? Let me go.
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Where did Brent say that Hart was "openly" shopped around? He said he has gaged interest to have a working list if the position comes open.

Not sure what you do for a living, but that happens every day in the real world.
 
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billmynatt said:
Where did Brent say that Hart was "openly" shopped around? He said he has gaged interest to have a working list if the position comes open.

Not sure what you do for a living, but that happens every day in the real world.
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Your last sentence is BS. How would you court candidates if a position isn't posted? Changes are almost always made first.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Kinda makes you wonder if it's a for sure deal already. Hubbs is usually more professional and cautious than that.
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No, he's not.

He projects a certain image to the public, but I wouldn't put "Hubbs" and "professional" in the same sentence. Really, no one at that site.
 
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Wes Rucker
@wesrucker247: Regardless of what #Vols do with Serrano, he’s a heck of a coach. Won’t matter if they keep/fire him if program isn't treated better. JMO.
 
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Wes Rucker
@wesrucker247: My opinion hasn’t changed. Serrano didn’t turn into a moron overnight. If HE can’t win there, they should look at more than coaching.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
No, he's not.

He projects a certain image to the public, but I wouldn't put "Hubbs" and "professional" in the same sentence. Really, no one at that site.
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He's usually professional in the way he reports, in my time reading his stuff. He doesn't ruin kids moments on the commitment side, he doesn't oversell the fanbase on where we stand with a recruit, like some of the homers at other Rivals sites and I don't see him throwing ish out there unless he's confident in it. Your dealings with him personally, which I'm sure is where your opinion comes from, is not what I'm referring to nor do I care.
 
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Wes Rucker:
@wesrucker247: If #Vols elect to not renew Serrano, he’ll have no problem finding a job, and they’ll have a hard time hiring someone with a better resume.

Wes Rucker
@wesrucker247: That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it. That’s their decision to make, and you could make good arguments either way.
 
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So, Wes Rucker is now the expert on UT baseball? Has he actually watched what happened this season and over the past few years? CDS handled the LSU game fine, however, that doesn't mean he has not blown many aspects of building this program as well as games.

Again, if Hart can find better he should pull the trigger. If he can't then extend him for 2-3 years and have a guy waiting in the wings. Bottom tier defense and pitching staff in the tournament after 5 seasons.
 
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Vols4us said:
Again, if Hart can find better he should pull the trigger. If he can't then extend him for 2-3 years and have a guy waiting in the wings. Bottom tier defense and pitching staff in the tournament after 5 seasons.
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Hart 100% won't find better than CDS resume was when he was hired here.

That doesn't mean a change shouldn't be made IMO. The perception of CDS Ability to win at Tenn has never been Lower and the reason this thing has to end.


Give me mark Calvi or Greg Goff and let's see what happens!
 
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Vols4us said:
So, Wes Rucker is now the expert on UT baseball? Has he actually watched what happened this season and over the past few years? CDS handled the LSU game fine, however, that doesn't mean he has not blown many aspects of building this program as well as games.

Again, if Hart can find better he should pull the trigger. If he can't then extend him for 2-3 years and have a guy waiting in the wings. Bottom tier defense and pitching staff in the tournament after 5 seasons.
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He's such a tool. On Twitter, he's been asked what needs to change in the program and he repeatedly says "treat it better". When pressed for specifics he can't give any. He's regurgitating what he reads on VN,
 
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Does Rucker mean give more schollys when he says treat it better? Someone had mentioned that TN gives fewer free rides than other sec schools.
 
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The Rucker comments are a pathetic attempt to make sure none of the stink of a worse conference record than Raleigh's sticks with Serrano.
The notion that if a coach with CWS experience can't win here it must be the school's fault is not logical. When he came here, he was asked to do several things he had never done before:
--Rebuild a fallen program. His previous head coaching jobs followed legendary coaches who had left him great foundations.
--Recruit, retrain and develop in a top conference.
--Sustain excellence. He held his previous head coaching jobs for only four years.

So, no, it's not necessarily true that if he can't win here with his golden resume, nobody can. It might just mean he isn't the right person for this job and doesn't have the right mix of experience and skills for the different set of challenges UT presents than he faced in his previous jobs.

I've never heard anyone call Serrano a moron. Never heard anyone say he can't coach. Those are red herrings. The question is, knowing what we know now, is he the right person to lead the program from here on?
 
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Vols4us said:
So, Wes Rucker is now the expert on UT baseball? Has he actually watched what happened this season and over the past few years? CDS handled the LSU game fine, however, that doesn't mean he has not blown many aspects of building this program as well as games.

Again, if Hart can find better he should pull the trigger. If he can't then extend him for 2-3 years and have a guy waiting in the wings. Bottom tier defense and pitching staff in the tournament after 5 seasons.
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He writes the 247 articles on baseball. He has covered them the last few years. I've been posting Hubbs thoughts so I figured I'd share what Rucker said too.
 
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Here is how I judge Serrano:

Will the roster be better in year 6 than in year 1? I don't think it will be and that alone is enough to not bring him back for another season.
 
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TNSportsman said:
Here is how I judge Serrano:

Will the roster be better in year 6 than in year 1? I don't think it will be and that alone is enough to not bring him back for another season.
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The roster will be far better in year 6 than it was in year 1, and it's not even close. The roster Serrano inherited from Raleigh would not have been competitive in the Southern Conference, not to mention the SEC.

The highlights of that team were Zack Godley, who credits Serrano for transforming him from a fringe player to a pro prospect, and Will Maddox. Beyond that, there isn't a player that would have even made another SEC team's roster.

Here's the 2012 roster:University of University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site - Baseball Taking into account where Godley was as a pitcher at the time, there are at least 4 pitchers on next year's roster better than anyone Serrano had in 2012. Hunter Martin, Will Neely, Aaron Soto, and Zach Warren are all better pitchers than anyone on that roster.

Position player wise, I'll take Benito Santiago over Ethan Bennett or Wes Walker every day of the week. Brodie Leftridge in center is far better than Chris Fritts. It goes on. Jeff Moberg is likely to return after his injury and was the team's leading hitter by average before he got hurt. All of those guys are better than anyone on Serrano's first team.

Look, I understand that people are ready to move on from Serrano, and that's fine. But don't go making things up. That's not to say that the next coach won't have a challenge with the roster, especially if the signing class blows up, but it's not going to be worse than the crater of a program Todd Raleigh left.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The roster will be far better in year 6 than it was in year 1, and it's not even close. The roster Serrano inherited from Raleigh would not have been competitive in the Southern Conference, not to mention the SEC.

The highlights of that team were Zack Godley, who credits Serrano for transforming him from a fringe player to a pro prospect, and Will Maddox. Beyond that, there isn't a player that would have even made another SEC team's roster.

Here's the 2012 roster:University of University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site - Baseball Taking into account where Godley was as a pitcher at the time, there are at least 4 pitchers on next year's roster better than anyone Serrano had in 2012. Hunter Martin, Will Neely, Aaron Soto, and Zach Warren are all better pitchers than anyone on that roster.

Position player wise, I'll take Benito Santiago over Ethan Bennett or Wes Walker every day of the week. Brodie Leftridge in center is far better than Chris Fritts. It goes on. Jeff Moberg is likely to return after his injury and was the team's leading hitter by average before he got hurt. All of those guys are better than anyone on Serrano's first team.

Look, I understand that people are ready to move on from Serrano, and that's fine. But don't go making things up. That's not to say that the next coach won't have a challenge with the roster, especially if the signing class blows up, but it's not going to be worse than the crater of a program Todd Raleigh left.
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Just in the names you listed you show the roster won't be better next year.


There won't be one pitcher on the staff as good as godley. Remember he made it to the big leagues


There won't be a hitter as good a maddox. Leftridge has had a good finish to the year but wouldn't have even played at the end of the season had Bartlett not gotten hurt.


While I like Santiogo he wasn't even really a catcher for most of the season and I doubt he even is our future behind the dish.

Next years roster is far far far away from a winning roster in the SEC
 
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DP, you make a good argument. Steckenrider and Nick Williams were probably the two best pitcher on that staff (at the time) and there was very little in terms of SEC ability. So, I have to agree that next year's team will be much better than one of the least talented teams in Tennesee history. However,.......

Next year's team will stuggle mightily to score any runs. The Vols lose Hall, Senzel, Jackson, and Lance which takes most of the offense with them. Very difficult for freshmen or even JUCO guys (at least the ones UT recruits) to step in and be productive right away. (BTW: are you sure Moeberg can come back, did he play too many games to get a redshirt?)

While the pitching staff will be a year older, there is not a lot of high end success coming back and none of those guys would be weekend guys for any other SEC team. Also, hearing that Kyle Serrano is probably going to enter the draft and leave early.

With that said, I still think Dave Serrano will get an extension and be retained.
 
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Backwards K said:
DP, you make a good argument. Steckenrider and Nick Williams were probably the two best pitcher on that staff (at the time) and there was very little in terms of SEC ability. So, I have to agree that next year's team will be much better than one of the least talented teams in Tennesee history. However,.......

Next year's team will stuggle mightily to score any runs. The Vols lose Hall, Senzel, Jackson, and Lance which takes most of the offense with them. Very difficult for freshmen or even JUCO guys (at least the ones UT recruits) to step in and be productive right away. (BTW: are you sure Moeberg can come back, did he play too many games to get a redshirt?)

While the pitching staff will be a year older, there is not a lot of high end success coming back and none of those guys would be weekend guys for any other SEC team. Also, hearing that Kyle Serrano is probably going to enter the draft and leave early.

With that said, I still think Dave Serrano will get an extension and be retained.
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You left out godley

What pitchers next year are more talented than godley, Williams, and steckenroder?

Warren is only one close IMO


We have zero hitters returning even close to as good as Maddox
 
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Backwards K said:
DP, you make a good argument. Steckenrider and Nick Williams were probably the two best pitcher on that staff (at the time) and there was very little in terms of SEC ability. So, I have to agree that next year's team will be much better than one of the least talented teams in Tennesee history. However,.......

Next year's team will stuggle mightily to score any runs. The Vols lose Hall, Senzel, Jackson, and Lance which takes most of the offense with them. Very difficult for freshmen or even JUCO guys (at least the ones UT recruits) to step in and be productive right away. (BTW: are you sure Moeberg can come back, did he play too many games to get a redshirt?)

While the pitching staff will be a year older, there is not a lot of high end success coming back and none of those guys would be weekend guys for any other SEC team. Also, hearing that Kyle Serrano is probably going to enter the draft and leave early.

With that said, I still think Dave Serrano will get an extension and be retained.
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Moberg just barely fits the requirements for a medical redshirt.
 
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"The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater."

Moberg played in 16 games. He ended up playing in 28% of our games.
 
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Moberg is a good college player but let's not go crazy about him with what he did in a small sample size against poor competition early this season
 
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BruinVol said:
Moberg is a good college player but let's not go crazy about him with what he did in a small sample size against poor competition early this season
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I don't know if Moberg would want to take on another year of tuition. I'm assuming he isn't a full-ride guy or anything close to that.
 
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