Possible Vacancies

[General Jack]

I started to put him on the list, but his contract is so large he's probably got one year before the heat comes.

Possibly, but the rumors around here are that he's got to raise the bar this year or the program might be include to write off that investment. The Aggies have a fairly large warchest, and they are Aggies...

 

[WA_Vol]

I don't do this to attack TCHFCATUTK, but his current plight sparked something in my head. It is quite conceivable that all of the following jobs will be open at the end of the season:
Miami
Clemson
Florida State
North Carolina
Penn State
Michigan
Oklahoma(Stoops to NFL)
Arkansas
Tennessee

I don't remember a season in which there was a possibility that so many top notch jobs could open up.

You left out Kentucky though not a top notch job, thats almost guaranteed. PSU and FSU not while they are trying to decide who will be the all time winningest coach.

 

[jakez4ut]

coker should be gone imo.

notice a trend in miami's record

12-0
12-1
11-2
9-3
9-3

they are just running further into the ground.

with a better coach, miami would be acc favorites every year.

53-9, yeah, that's terrible. 85% winning percentage and NC in 01...awful.

Now, having said that, the fact he is on the hot seat says a lot about the expectations at Miami, and i do understand that they should be high there....and i won't discount the struggles they have had on offense, and Miami never loses to UNC and Ga Tech under "normal" circumstances, nor do they get embarrassed in bowl games very often as they did last year....

but what does that say about the state of college football when a guy with a resume like this, is really on the not seat? only one team a year can win the NT only 1 team in each conf. each year can win thier conference....under the scrutiny that these guys are under these days, it won't be long before the average lifespan of a college coach is less than 5 years. And don't get me wrong, i never have thought Coker was that good of a coach. I think he was in the right situation at the right time at Miami. that paid off for him, unfortunately for him, the move to the ACC and recent set backs against obviously inferior talent have put him on that hot seat. Don't lose to UNC and Ga TEch the past couple of years, and perception is not nearly as bad at Miami today.

 

[jakez4ut]

Coaches that I expect to be on an upward track (possibly leaving current job for a more high profile position) listed in no particular order:

Jeff Tedford
Pat Hill
Mike Stoops (assuming Bob doesn't take him to the NFL)
Steve Spurrier (cannot imagine that SC is his last stop)
Mike Leach
Guy Morris (if he gets 8 wins would be a commodity)
Bobby Petrino

Bobby Petrino signed a 10 year deal with Louisville, don't see him going anywhere for a while....and i do think Spurrier stays at SC for another 4-5 years, and calls it quits.
I think Mike Stoops needs to have a breakout year at AZ before he winds up on anyone's radar, though you'd have to think they are getting closer to that by what i've heard and read about them.

 

[hatvol96]

53-9, yeah, that's terrible. 85% winning percentage and NC in 01...awful.

Now, having said that, the fact he is on the hot seat says a lot about the expectations at Miami, and i do understand that they should be high there....and i won't discount the struggles they have had on offense, and Miami never loses to UNC and Ga Tech under "normal" circumstances, nor do they get embarrassed in bowl games very often as they did last year....

but what does that say about the state of college football when a guy with a resume like this, is really on the not seat? only one team a year can win the NT only 1 team in each conf. each year can win thier conference....under the scrutiny that these guys are under these days, it won't be long before the average lifespan of a college coach is less than 5 years. And don't get me wrong, i never have thought Coker was that good of a coach. I think he was in the right situation at the right time at Miami. that paid off for him, unfortunately for him, the move to the ACC and recent set backs against obviously inferior talent have put him on that hot seat. Don't lose to UNC and Ga TEch the past couple of years, and perception is not nearly as bad at Miami today.

He's on the hot seat because the longer he's in charge, the further from greatness the 'Canes find themselves.

 

[jakez4ut]

He's on the hot seat because the longer he's in charge, the further from greatness the 'Canes find themselves.

i agree, and aluded to that in my post...i just find it really sad that a guy with his record is legitimately on the hot seat...i understand it, just think it's sad really.

 

[WA_Vol]

Meyer is killing Coker in recruiting in Florida. IMO Thats the biggest concern and the reason Coker is going to struggle the next couple of years.

 

[hatvol96]

i agree, and aluded to that in my post...i just find it really sad that a guy with his record is legitimately on the hot seat...i understand it, just think it's sad really.

I don't. The President of General Motors is held to a higher standard than the owner of the corner used car lot. If you're going to enjoy all the rewards and advantages that come from running an elite program, you should be held accountable for your results.

 

[jakez4ut]

Meyer is killing Coker in recruiting in Florida. IMO Thats the biggest concern and the reason Coker is going to struggle the next couple of years.

Miam though has always been able to recruit nationally too. Almost like how ND has been able to. so, the rationale for Miami fans, alum and media is that being out recruited solely in Florida, while that is and will always be the most fertile place to find talent for Miami, isn't the only place....and Miami should readily be able to compete as a top 5 or 10 team year in and year out, something they haven't done the last two years.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don't. The President of General Motors is held to a higher standard than the owner of the corner used car lot. If you're going to enjoy all the rewards and advantages that come from running an elite program, you should be held accountable for your results.

OK...that's fine and true...considering the two ends of the spectrum you refer to there in you analogy.

This whole debate about college coaches, no matter where they are coaching, depends upon one thing. the definition of "successful" to the people having the debate.

AT Miami, is it winning the ACC? winning the NT? 10 win seasons? At miami, i think it's pretty obvious that 10 win seasons are not in the cards, and conf. championships should be fairly regular. and that's fine.

but i still go back to only one team each year is going to win the ACC or sEC or Big 10 etc...and it ain't gonna be your team EVERY year....so what do you do? change coaches everytime one doesn't win it? It seems to me that's where it's heading, at least in the eyes of some very impatient fan bases.

I'm not trying to get in to this debate mind you, just pointing out that every team that is considered to be "elite" is trying to accomplish the same goals. Some years you will, some years you won't. I think FSU, Va TEch, Clemson etc...all have the same goals as Miami and are working very hard to make sure that their team gets there and Miami or who ever else doesn't. Sometimes that will happen, sometimes it won't. Same is true in the SEC...LSU, Auburn, Bama, TN, Georgia, Florida, south Carolina all are working toward winning the SEC title. problem is not all of htem can win it each year.

I think the standards are the same at most all of these big time institutions...it's meeting them that's the problem.

 

[hatvol96]

OK...that's fine and true...considering the two ends of the spectrum you refer to there in you analogy.

This whole debate about college coaches, no matter where they are coaching, depends upon one thing. the definition of "successful" to the people having the debate.

AT Miami, is it winning the ACC? winning the NT? 10 win seasons? At miami, i think it's pretty obvious that 10 win seasons are not in the cards, and conf. championships should be fairly regular. and that's fine.

but i still go back to only one team each year is going to win the ACC or sEC or Big 10 etc...and it ain't gonna be your team EVERY year....so what do you do? change coaches everytime one doesn't win it? It seems to me that's where it's heading, at least in the eyes of some very impatient fan bases.

I'm not trying to get in to this debate mind you, just pointing out that every team that is considered to be "elite" is trying to accomplish the same goals. Some years you will, some years you won't. I think FSU, Va TEch, Clemson etc...all have the same goals as Miami and are working very hard to make sure that their team gets there and Miami or who ever else doesn't. Sometimes that will happen, sometimes it won't. Same is true in the SEC...LSU, Auburn, Bama, TN, Georgia, Florida, south Carolina all are working toward winning the SEC title. problem is not all of htem can win it each year.

I think the standards are the same at most all of these big time institutions...it's meeting them that's the problem.

If the coach at Miami has to worry about Clemson and Va Tech being peers, he needs to talk to his real estate agent.

 

[jakez4ut]

If the coach at Miami has to worry about Clemson and Va Tech being peers, he needs to talk to his real estate agent.

from the sound of it, he may have alreday done so.

But that response is typical of what i would expect, and not necessarily from you specifically, but in general when talking about Miami football, or any other big time program that has suffered as of late.

It never enters the though proces that teams like Va Tech and Clemson are getting better, and that may have as much or more to do with the decline of a particular program than anything the HC is or is not doing....

And i'm not saying that Clemson is ready or able to compete with Miami, and i'm not saying that the collapse at TN last season had anything to do with Vandy getting a lot better in a hurry, just entering the arguement that SOMETIMES, the reason for the decline or lack of championships at some schools could be because of the assention of another program or two, and that that could have more to do with it than anything else...or at least be equally as good a reason as just saying the coach sucks.

 

[jakez4ut]

If the coach at Miami has to worry about Clemson and Va Tech being peers, he needs to talk to his real estate agent.

for example, Michigan....is it possible that part of the reason for thier decline is due to the fact that Ohio State and Iowa have gotten a lot better lately? Michigan made a living off of beating OSU in the 90's, and it served them well...now OSU is the big dog in the Big 10, and Iowa isn't far off....is there any room for the notion that OSU is just better than Michigan? or is it simply that Lloyd Carr can't coach?

Same with Nebraska...Solich got fired after a similar run that Coker has had...but was it ever considered that OK and TX were just better than Neb at the time? and that had more to do with Neb being down than anything Solich did or didn't do?

I don't know the answers to those questions, just food for thought.

 

[hatvol96]

for example, Michigan....is it possible that part of the reason for thier decline is due to the fact that Ohio State and Iowa have gotten a lot better lately? Michigan made a living off of beating OSU in the 90's, and it served them well...now OSU is the big dog in the Big 10, and Iowa isn't far off....is there any room for the notion that OSU is just better than Michigan? or is it simply that Lloyd Carr can't coach?

Same with Nebraska...Solich got fired after a similar run that Coker has had...but was it ever considered that OK and TX were just better than Neb at the time? and that had more to do with Neb being down than anything Solich did or didn't do?

I don't know the answers to those questions, just food for thought.

Ohio State has always been one of Michigan's peers. The Wolverine fans are probably a bit more upset about losses to the likes of Northwestern in recent years. Solich wasn't fired because OU and Texas were good. He was fired because Colorado and K-State had caught up to the Huskers.

 

[TBALLVOL]

regarding a vacancy at Miami, I'm not so sure they could afford to pull in a big name coach with a significant "buy out". I lived in South Florida for many years and the local support for Miami Football is laughable considering the national reputation they have. They are lucky to put 20,000 in the orange bowl. I don't know where they get thier money but it's not in ticket sales.

 

[hatvol96]

regarding a vacancy at Miami, I'm not so sure they could afford to pull in a big name coach with a significant "buy out". I lived in South Florida for many years and the local support for Miami Football is laughable considering the national reputation they have. They are lucky to put 20,000 in the orange bowl. I don't know where they get thier money but it's not in ticket sales.

Their NFL alums would pony up the money for a big time coach in a heartbeat. Those guys have a cultish devotion to their program.

 

[Lexvol]

Money is not an issue at Michigan, UT, or Miami. To think otherwise is laughable. On the other hand one could reasonably wonder how those teams can afford not to have the best coach available running the show.

 

[TBALLVOL]

Hey,..maybe they could steal Howard Schnellenberger (SP) back..isn't he coaching at nearby Fla Atlantic. he's the one that put them on the map to begin with..Man he must be 90 now.

 

[hatvol96]

Hey,..maybe they could steal Howard Schnellenberger (SP) back..isn't he coaching at nearby Fla Atlantic. he's the one that put them on the map to begin with..Man he must be 90 now.

I have such great respect for Schnellenberger, I've forgiven him for his part in Oklahoma's implosion in the '90s.

 

[Lexvol]

I have such great respect for Schnellenberger, I've forgiven him for his part in Oklahoma's implosion in the '90s.

He has earned the pardon. After all he was competing against the dweeb led, juiced up Huskers at the time, and they were on a roll.

I for one was surprised they only gave him a few years. When it comes down to it, the cornfed farmboy is not the kind of athlete that Schnellenberger will relate to.

 

[TBALLVOL]

Now why did he leave Miami?

 

[hatvol96]

Now why did he leave Miami?

He was supposed to coach the Miami entry in the USFL. The franchise never got off the ground and he ended up at Louisville.

 

[hatvol96]

He has earned the pardon. After all he was competing against the dweeb led, juiced up Huskers at the time, and they were on a roll.

I for one was surprised they only gave him a few years. When it comes down to it, the cornfed farmboy is not the kind of athlete that Schnellenberger will relate to.

They only gave Howard one year. He didn't fit in well with the OU alums. He was a little too aloof for a fan base accustomed to Barry Switzer's earthy flamboyance.

 

[TBALLVOL]

Yeah, plus the fact that he refused to smoke a corn-cob pipe.

 

[GAVol]

They only gave Howard one year. He didn't fit in well with the OU alums. He was a little too aloof for a fan base accustomed to Barry Switzer's earthy flamboyance.

Is there anybody that thought he would fit in at Oklahoma? I'll never forget hearing him speak at our local TD club after he took the Louisville job and with a straight face talked about having them competing for a National Championship within 2 years. The whole audience was looking at him like he was wearing a dress or something.