Post-Debate Analysis Thread

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#26
Is there a (NONE OF THE ABOVE) ballot or space. They both are lieing right to your face and making you like it.....I can't even watch it. Wife does and says Husin gets the bad end of the deal every time. she needs to wait till he gets in,she'll change her mind then. GAS 6.00$:lolabove:
 
#27
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kptvol said:
I thought the same thing. Obama also looked a bit condescending on the cutaway shots when McCain was talking. Calling McCain Tom didn't help, either. Both candidates need to try to interrupt each other a bit less. Still, tough to say that either candidate won the debate by more than a narrow margin.
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let's not get carried away with this. Obama was about to reference legislation he worked on with Tom Coburn, R-Okla, and he said "Tom" b/c it was on his mind, quickly corrected it and made his point - I and those I know make this mistake multiple times daily.

it was a non-factor.

the looking at the camera/TV audience and McCain vs. looking at Lehrer is simply a difference in strategy. McCain was playing more to the pundits, Obama more to voters. that's what each needed to do, and I thought they stuck to it.
 
#28
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lawgator1 said:
My only thoughts are that 1) no one really made a mistake or scored a knockout punch, because 2) both are intelligent and knowledgeable politicians, 3) either one of whom would be an infinitely better president than the current one.

Whether its McCain or Obama that ends up winning, the country will soon be able to turn the page from the current buffoonery in the WH and I think we are all grateful for that. I'd support either of these guys upon taking office.
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absolutely agree.

i felt much better about the prospects of a McCain presidency should my candidate not win. I just wish now that he'd chosen Bloomberg or Ridge as his VP.
 
#30
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TennNC said:
absolutely agree.

i felt much better about the prospects of a McCain presidency should my candidate not win. I just wish now that he'd chosen Bloomberg or Ridge as his VP.
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And I agree with you. Now that the luster on her is wearing off and people are realizing how utterly unqualified she is, she is going to hurt him badly.

Can you imagine her running things right now if she had to? Disastrous.
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volinbham said:
When asked what he'd cut, he rattled off a series of new programs he would institute. Is there any doubt how he views government?

McCain was equally revealing in his answer - cut spending, cut spending, cut spending. More along the lines of what I'd like to hear but too shallow.
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That was a "gotcha" question by Lehrer. Both candidates didn't take the bait, but I agree with you that each showed how they lean in their views on govt. Obama avoided the trap (save ending Iraq ASAP and the $10 billion a month we're spending there, which in the grand scheme isn't a ton but still significant) and focused on what he'd protect, as he should have. McCain took a gamble by saying he'd strip funding for all but defense, veterans' affairs, and "other priorities" - he left himself an out by not saying what those "priorities" were, but I bet it spooked some voters, b/c like it or not, govt funding is a source of a good bit of the economy right now (thanks in large part to GWB). Voters aren't asking to strip the govt down to the bare bones.

McCain can't help restore the economy by cutting spending, and he knows it - he's trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Earmarks are 1% of the federal budget, and Obama was savvy to point this out - it's important, but it's a spit in the ocean. You better bring something bigger than that to convince people that you know how to help turn this situation around.

Overall, though, I think yours and my analyses are close.
 
#33
#33
lawgator1 said:
And I agree with you. Now that the luster on her is wearing off and people are realizing how utterly unqualified she is, she is going to hurt him badly.

Can you imagine her running things right now if she had to? Disastrous.
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I gotta say, even though I'm an Obama supporter, a McCain-Bloomerg ticket would've been very impressive and would've stood a good chance of actually changing Washington.
 
#35
#35
According to the non-partisan and non-scientific Drudge Report poll, McCain crushed Obama 68-30.

MCCAIN 68% 221,581
OBAMA 30% 97,175
NEITHER 2% 7,885
 
#36
#36
notverycrucial said:
According to the non-partisan and non-scientific Drudge Report poll, McCain crushed Obama 68-30.

MCCAIN 68% 221,581
OBAMA 30% 97,175
NEITHER 2% 7,885
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and we shouldn't be surprised to see these as the "official debate numbers" on right-leaning TV and radio shows.
 
#37
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notverycrucial said:
According to the non-partisan and non-scientific Drudge Report poll, McCain crushed Obama 68-30.

MCCAIN 68% 221,581
OBAMA 30% 97,175
NEITHER 2% 7,885
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anything greater than a 7% advantage or so for either candidate shows how ludicrous the polling and source is.
 
#38
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TennNC said:
That was a "gotcha" question by Lehrer. Both candidates didn't take the bait, but I agree with you that each showed how they lean in their views on govt. Obama avoided the trap (save ending Iraq ASAP and the $10 billion a month we're spending there, which in the grand scheme isn't a ton but still significant) and focused on what he'd protect, as he should have.

McCain can't help restore the economy by cutting spending, and he knows it - he's trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Earmarks are 1% of the federal budget, and Obama was savvy to point this out - it's important, but it's a spit in the ocean. You better bring something bigger than that to convince people that you know how to help turn this situation around.

Overall, though, I think yours and my analyses are close.
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The $10 billion a month is a smoke screen though. Obama's plan would not free up $10 billion - there would still be significant military expenditures for Iraq every month throughout the 16 month withdrawal plan and afterwards. It's a good sound byte but everyone should be able to see through it. Given his stated plans, our military spending will INCREASE.

As for the earmarks, McCain's point is much deeper - it's more than earmarks. I agree cutting spending alone won't solve the problem to but call pork only a small aspect misses the larger point. McCain is talking about a larger philosophy on the role of the Federal government - one that Obama has shown he disagrees with vehemently even if he won't come out and say it. Obama wants the government to be more involved and spend more. McCain sees it the opposite. Neither is being realistic.
 
#39
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lawgator1 said:
Just a hunch, but seeing as that is how they are actually supposed to be pronounced, he's chosen to do that.
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Not sure where you get you "supposed to be announced" but the research I've done suggests otherwise.
 
#40
#40
volinbham said:
Why does Obama say "Tolly-bahn"? It makes them sound like characters from Willy Wonka. Saying "Pah-kee-stahn" doesn't help either.
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I didn't like this either -- regardless of how they're pronounced in their native land. Because Obama is already viewed by many as "the other" or somehow foreign, I'd prefer that he speak less "internationally" so as not to reinforce that idea.

However, I did notice that McCain also said "Tolly-bahn" but it might have just been a result of him referencing it shortly after Obama had. Generally, McCain speaks like a red-blooded 'Murken.
 
#41
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notverycrucial said:
I didn't like this either -- regardless of how they're pronounced in their native land. Because Obama is already viewed by many as "the other" or somehow foreign, I'd prefer that he speak less "internationally" so as not to reinforce that idea.
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But he's not consistent. He doesn't say "Frahnce". Adds to the "aloof" factor.

I bet he has his pinky out when he drinks tea...
 
#43
#43
These are from AOLnews.com


Who won the debate?
John McCain46% Barack Obama42% It was a tie7% I didn't watch5%


Total Votes: 407,018


Who appeared more presidential?
John McCain52% Barack Obama48%

Total Votes: 396,622


Who do you trust more to handle the economy?
John McCain54% Barack Obama46%

Total Votes: 343,255

Who do you trust more to handle the Iraq war?
John McCain57% Barack Obama43%

Total Votes: 340,421

Have you decided who you are going to vote for?
Yes, McCain52% Yes, Obama41% Not yet5% I'm not voting1% Yes, another candidate1%





Which is the most important issue to you in this election?
Economy73% National security16% War in Iraq6% Health care3% Environment1% Education1%
 
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#45
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VolBeef88 said:
These are from AOLnews.com


Who won the debate?
John McCain46% Barack Obama42% It was a tie7% I didn't watch5%


Total Votes: 407,018


Who appeared more presidential?
John McCain52% Barack Obama48%

Total Votes: 396,622


Who do you trust more to handle the economy?
John McCain54% Barack Obama46%

Total Votes: 343,255

Who do you trust more to handle the Iraq war?
John McCain57% Barack Obama43%

Total Votes: 340,421

Have you decided who you are going to vote for?
Yes, McCain52% Yes, Obama41% Not yet5% I'm not voting1% Yes, another candidate1%





Which is the most important issue to you in this election?
Economy73% National security16% War in Iraq6% Health care3% Environment1% Education1%
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It should be noted that this is not a scientific poll in anyway. Internet polls are interesting for entertainment purposes, but they are not scientific and therefore not reliable.

However, they do help show what type of person frequents a particular site. On Drudge Report's internet poll, McCain won 2:1. On AOL which is also fairly conservative (How many young people still get access through AOL?) McCain also wins. On MSNBC.com web poll, Obama wins 52-34. On Foxnews.com, McCain probably wins 90-10.

Again, the results of these internet polls are entertaining, but shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
#46
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notverycrucial said:
On AOL which is also fairly conservative (How many young people still get access through AOL?)
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this link is about two years old, and it is possible that AOL's demographics have shifted, it's unlikely that it's shifted all that much.

AQABA

AOL Demographics

35 million members worldwide
2.7 million peak simultaneous users
400 million e-mails sent and received daily
13.4 billion Web URLs served daily
70 minutes online per member daily
More than 2.1 billion instant messages sent daily across the AOL network

Gender
Male: 43%
Female: 57%

Marital Status
Single: 38%
Married: 62%

Education
College Grad: + 51%

Age Composition
18-24: 15%
25-34: 18%
35-44: 25%
45-54: 24%
55-64: 12%
65+: 7%

Household Income
$50k+: 63%
$75k+: 40%
$100k+: 23%

Occupation
Professional/Managerial: 30%
Self-employed: 11%

Source:
AOL Yellow Pages - Why AOL Yellow Pages: AOL Demographics/Usage
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#47
#47
Interesting. What sticks out to be is the single:married ratio. Also, not sure I understand the income numbers as presented since they add up to more than 100%, but I think the median household income in US is $44k. Looks like average AOL user makes considerably more than the national average, thus more conservative?

Household Income
$50k+: 63%
$75k+: 40%
$100k+: 23%
 
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#48
#48
57% of AOL users are women and 51% (of AOL users) have college degrees, both of which are solid democrat demographics (at least in this election).
 
#49
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notverycrucial said:
Interesting. What sticks out to be is the single:married ratio. Also, not sure I understand the income numbers as presented since they add up to more than 100%, but I think the median household income in US is $44k. Looks like average AOL user makes considerably more than the national average, thus more conservative?

Household Income
$50k+: 63%
$75k+: 40%
$100k+: 23%
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If you make more than 75k, you also make more than 50k.
 
#50
#50
I found it very telling that after the debate Biden came on and gave his analysis of the debate then right after the anchor said an invitation was given to Palin and they declined but that the campaign offered up Rudy Guilliani to speak instead.I don't think that bodes well for her in her debate seems they are scared to let her speak outside of friendly confines.
 
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