Post-Debate Analysis Thread

[rjd970]

what could she possibly have gained by telling Couric she's a biased piece of media trash and she would only be answering relevant questions?

Respect. Or actually walking the walk she talks when giving stump speeches.

She's more than willing to convict the national media of this when she is not face-to-face with them.

 

[rjd970]

Besides, I thought it was a good interview. She actually defended the idea that her address is a legitimate national security credential.

 

[lawgator1]

no, it's because Wallace and O'Reilly have a lot more class than Couric or Gibson and both are professional enough to know that gotcha questions appeal only to the lowest common denominator.

Wallace is one of the best in the business.

I've always thought that O'Reilly was a little soft in interviews with people like Obama. It's almost like he goes out of his way to be nonconfrontational just so he'll be able to say "Look at me and how fair I am".

lol:


I am torn on which post to nominate for goof of the week.

 

[MillsfieldVOL]

Where is the none of the above ballot. I don't want to bail anyone out myself. I pay to much wasted tax money already. This is just not right to most of us.:rock: Damn it's got to END NOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right here.

 

[MG1968]

lol:


I am torn on which post to nominate for goof of the week.

a graduate of UF law school is hardly in a position to call out goofiness on a Tennessee-centered message board.

 

[KingNick865]

a graduate of UF law school is hardly in a position to call out goofiness on a Tennessee-centered message board.

I don't agree with you much. I do this time.

 

[TennNC]

Wallace is one of the best in the business.

I've always thought that O'Reilly was a little soft in interviews with people like Obama. It's almost like he goes out of his way to be nonconfrontational just so he'll be able to say "Look at me and how fair I am".

You must be joking. You could say BO'R is a lot of things - nonconfrontational does not come close to making the list.

How many times did O'Reilly interrupt him? How many times did he utter something like "Come on!" He treated Obama like he was a 16-year-old.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Respect. Or actually walking the walk she talks when giving stump speeches.

She's more than willing to convict the national media of this when she is not face-to-face with them.

I know it's dangerous to assume, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you're smarter than this.

 

[TennNC]

McCain doesn't win unless he makes these debates somewhat vitriolic.

He has to get away from the talking points and force ad hoc rebuttals. The mediators are not going to make Obama appear to be the freshman that he is. McCain's job henceforth is to make that point at every turn. He does it effectively and he wins.

He tried it repeatedly Friday, and it didn't seem to work. Obama was well schooled. He knew his stuff.

 

[volinbham]

You must be joking. You could say BO'R is a lot of things - nonconfrontational does not come close to making the list.

How many times did O'Reilly interrupt him? How many times did he utter something like "Come on!" He treated Obama like he was a 16-year-old.

Not sure if this is what he was getting at but O'Reilly isn't tough because he's not smart enough. He may be obnoxious but he doesn't have the depth to intellectually challenge ideas. He doesn't know how to follow the logic chain to expose candidate BS. Instead he does it by interrupting.

 

[TennNC]

Then it should be easy for you prove it is not true. Have at it.

sure.

what makes you think any of the upteenmillion interviews with Obama were by people "pushing his agenda"? The idea that all these people want Obama to win is silly and unsubstantiated.

just one example: the New Yorker, an outright left-leaning and well respected publication, published this article about Obama after they'd interviewed him multiple times over months that goes into great detail with interviews by those who supported him and those former allies who aren't as keen on him:

The Political Scene: Making It: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

They also published this article, a lengthy interview with Tavis Smiley, on why Smiley was not so enthused with Obama. Doesn't sound like they're "pushing Obama's agenda":

The Political Scene: What He Knows for Sure: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

On the other hand, McCain has called the media "his base" - they've known him, partied with him, seen him get screwed over by the GOP base for years. And they like him.

Free Ride: Media Myths of McCain

Looks like the media is really destroying McCain here.

Media Unfair to McCain? Meghan McCain seems to differ. Sensico

McCain Feeds His ?Base? BBQ | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

Net net - it's not productive to cry foul over the media's "treatment" of someone we don't know at all, someone who doesn't make herself available to the press, someone who could be president very soon, especially when her potential future boss is wining and dining those same people.

 

[TennNC]

Not sure if this is what he was getting at but O'Reilly isn't tough because he's not smart enough. He may be obnoxious but he doesn't have the depth to intellectually challenge ideas. He doesn't know how to follow the logic chain to expose candidate BS. Instead he does it by interrupting.

I don't know what GaVol was thinking when he posted that.

But I do agree with your post here, bham. Whether or not he's smart enough to be effective, BO'R is still absolutely confrontational. That's his brand. That's why he has his own show on one of the most watched news networks. That's why a comedian has built a hugely successful parody program based almost entirely on mocking BO'R.

"F--- it!!! We'll do it live!!! WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!"

 

[volinbham]

I don't know what GaVol was thinking when he posted that.

But I do agree with your post here, bham. Whether or not he's smart enough to be effective, BO'R is still absolutely confrontational. That's his brand. That's why he has his own show on one of the most watched news networks. That's why a comedian has built a hugely successful parody program based almost entirely on mocking BO'R.

"F--- it!!! We'll do it live!!! WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!"

It's not hard to deal with a confrontational interview - stay calm and stick your talking points. However, someone that can see through the talking points and use contradictory statements you've made to expose them is a tough interview. O'Reilly doesn't cut it in terms of tough.

 

[BigPapaVol]

sure.

what makes you think any of the upteenmillion interviews with Obama were by people "pushing his agenda"? The idea that all these people want Obama to win is silly and unsubstantiated.

just one example: the New Yorker, an outright left-leaning and well respected publication, published this article about Obama after they'd interviewed him multiple times over months that goes into great detail with interviews by those who supported him and those former allies who aren't as keen on him:

The Political Scene: Making It: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

They also published this article, a lengthy interview with Tavis Smiley, on why Smiley was not so enthused with Obama. Doesn't sound like they're "pushing Obama's agenda":

The Political Scene: What He Knows for Sure: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

On the other hand, McCain has called the media "his base" - they've known him, partied with him, seen him get screwed over by the GOP base for years. And they like him.

Free Ride: Media Myths of McCain

Looks like the media is really destroying McCain here.

Media Unfair to McCain? Meghan McCain seems to differ. Sensico

McCain Feeds His ?Base? BBQ | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

Net net - it's not productive to cry foul over the media's "treatment" of someone we don't know at all, someone who doesn't make herself available to the press, someone who could be president very soon, especially when her potential future boss is wining and dining those same people.

There you have it. The New Yorker proved that left leaning rags are out to grill Obama and McCain is getting the King's treatment. I know you like linking articles that support your points, but you can find an article to say almost anything at any time. It's just not that hard or compelling.

A holistic view of the media treatment of the two guys is absolutely the opposite of what you're trying portray here. Sadly, you probably know that.

 

[TennNC]

It's not hard to deal with a confrontational interview - stay calm and stick your talking points. However, someone that can see through the talking points and use contradictory statements you've made to expose them is a tough interview. O'Reilly doesn't cut it in terms of tough.

so you're contradicting GaVol that BO'R is nonconfrontational. Glad to know it.

But you still think that interview is a piece of cake.

So, who is a tough interview?

 

[TennNC]

There you have it. The New Yorker proved that left leaning rags are out to grill Obama and McCain is getting the King's treatment. I know you like linking articles that support your points, but you can find an article to say almost anything at any time. It's just not that hard or compelling.

Maybe you're correct.

What's harder or more compelling is to find someone with such low standards and high gullibility that no evidence is necessary to get them to believe what's in your head.

You could prove your point by showing how easy it is. Perhaps with some objective, scientific, holistic analysis of this media bias against McCain and for Obama. Surely if it's that obvious to you, someone who spends their life doing this type of thing already would've written it.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Maybe you're correct.

What's harder or more compelling is to find someone with such low standards and high gullibility that no evidence is necessary to get them to believe what's in your head.

You could prove your point by showing how easy it is. Perhaps with some objective, scientific, holistic analysis of this media bias against McCain and for Obama. Surely if it's that obvious to you, someone who spends their life doing this type of thing already would've written it.

you say that as if it isn't out there in droves. I'm not going to spend the time to find it, but we both know it's out there in droves.

 

[volinbham]

so you're contradicting GaVol that BO'R is nonconfrontational. Glad to know it.

But you still think that interview is a piece of cake.

So, who is a tough interview?

I'm saying confrontation does not equal tough; I can't speak for GAVol. I think Chris Wallace, Tim Russert and a few others are smart enough to intellectual challenge political BS and talking points.

I never said a BOR interview is a piece of cake - it's just not tough intellectually speaking. I think I could challenge Obama's talking points better than O'Reilly did.

 

[TennNC]

you say that as if it isn't out there in droves. I'm not going to spend the time to find it, but we both know it's out there in droves.

it took me less than 3 minutes to find my links.

you don't have 3 minutes?

 

[TennNC]

I'm saying confrontation does not equal tough; I can't speak for GAVol. I think Chris Wallace, Tim Russert and a few others are smart enough to intellectual challenge political BS and talking points.

I never said a BOR interview is a piece of cake - it's just not tough intellectually speaking. I think I could challenge Obama's talking points better than O'Reilly did.

Obama has done interviews with both Wallace and Russert, and those interviews are available.

Who else does he need to speak with to past the test? you?

 

[BigPapaVol]

it took me less than 3 minutes to find my links.

you don't have 3 minutes?

not that I'm willing to spend for that purpose.

the fact that it took you 3 minutes is telling, though. I would think any mainstream view regarding this election would take about 0.11 seconds, per google.

I'm really not here to convince you of my case. I'm here for the debate. It's why I'm almost exclusively stream of consciousness.

 

[lawgator1]

Not sure if this is what he was getting at but Fox News on the whole isn't tough because the people working there are not smart enough. They are obnoxious but they don't have the depth to intellectually challenge ideas. They don't know how to follow the logic chain to expose candidate BS. Instead they appeal to the lowest levels of intellect and quote whatever line they are given by the GOP.

FYP.

A lot.

 

[TennNC]

not that I'm willing to spend for that purpose.

the fact that it took you 3 minutes is telling, though. I would think any mainstream view regarding this election would take about 0.11 seconds, per google.

I'm really not here to convince you of my case. I'm here for the debate. It's why I'm almost exclusively stream of consciousness.

If I were you, this is the tactic I'd take as well on this one.

4th and 28 after two penalties and a sack, you punt, unless you're UGA and you're down 17 and it's late in the 4th quarter.

 

[BigPapaVol]

If I were you, this is the tactic I'd take as well on this one.

4th and 28 after two penalties and a sack, you punt, unless you're UGA and you're down 17 and it's late in the 4th quarter.

kid yourself all you'd like.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

My thoughts on the debate....