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[DC_Vol]

So strange: it's almost like this is a new respiratory virus that's going to run its course until enough people develop immunity.

I don’t think the area under the curve is going to change. It was initially about changing the shape of the curve. That was before the goalposts were moved.

 

[ETV]

More hype from a radical left wing media source

Britain’s COVID-19 daily infections rise to highest level since June | One America News Network

OAN is now left leaning?

 

[volfanjustin]

 

[OneManGang]

165,000 dead Americans now just imagine how many more people would have died if we hadn’t shutdown the country back in April.

Probably about the same 165,000. Several thousand of that number came from NY's idiot governor sending COVID cases to nursing homes that were completely un-equipped to handle them.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I don’t think the area under the curve is going to change. It was initially about changing the shape of the curve. That was before the goalposts were moved.

It's so hard for me to understand -- what exactly are people hoping for? A miracle cure is extremely unlikely, and I don't think enough will accept a vaccine for it to create herd immunity. The only other solution is spread amongst the younger/healthy population while protecting the elderly.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

It's so hard for me to understand -- what exactly are people hoping for? A miracle cure is extremely unlikely, and I don't think enough will accept a vaccine for it to create herd immunity. The only other solution is spread amongst the younger/healthy population while protecting the elderly.

I would love a world where the 65+ crowd is stowed away in a vault. For safety purposes it should be extra thick; probably too thick for wifi.

For their health, of course.

 

[BP4Prez]

I would love a world where the 65+ crowd is stowed away in a vault. For safety purposes it should be extra thick; probably too thick for wifi.

For their health, of course.

What’s your solution? Stay locked down until we get a viable vaccine? Good luck getting that anytime soon. And if we do get one, good luck taking it. I’ll pass.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

What’s your solution? Stay locked down until we get a viable vaccine? Good luck getting that anytime soon. And if we do get one, good luck taking it. I’ll pass.

You seem to think I'm kidding. I'm not.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I would love a world where the 65+ crowd is stowed away in a vault. For safety purposes it should be extra thick; probably too thick for wifi.

For their health, of course.

It's actually not entirely unreasonable to believe this could have been done in March, while everything else continued normally. I firmly believe we would be through this crisis if that's the route we had taken.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

It's actually not entirely unreasonable to believe this could have been done in March, while everything else continued normally. I firmly believe we would be through this crisis if that's the route we had taken.

I don't think you're wrong. Did any other countries go that route? What about the countries that tackled it well, like South Korea?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I don't think you're wrong. Did any other countries go that route? What about the countries that tackled it well, like South Korea?

Sweden would be the closest example, but they made the fatal mistake of not protecting the nursing homes early enough. They also give very little priority to heroic care of their oldest population.

South Korea quickly enacted measures to test, trace, and contain. It appears to have worked well, but I suspect they are still vulnerable to another (or multiple) wave(s). From what I understand about their culture, I think they would be quite accepting of a vaccine, when available, so this might actually work there.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Fun fact. Next time, don't present an extremely flawed candidate, who said half the nation was a bunch of tards and that thought she "deserved" the job rather than working for it.

Anyone but HRC and the left wins again.

I didn't present anything. Didn't vote for Hillary.....

 

[sjt18]

I think a lot of this is irrational but there are 150k dead.

If I counted every death of someone with a pimple as a "pimple death"... would that mean millions died of pimples?

There are at least 3 ways Covid "deaths" need to be reported- Died from Covid, Died from another cause aggravated by Covid, and Covid incidental to death.

Here are examples.

- An otherwise healthy man catches Covid and does not respond to treatment. Over the next weeks his Covid is made worse by pneumonia or some other bacterial infection. You can rightly say that person died OF Covid.

-A 78 year old lifelong smoker in poor health and several chronic conditions like diabetes, emphysema, and COPD contracts Covid and dies. Covid aggravated things that were already killing him.

-A 65 year old woman has leukemia and is placed in hospice with weeks to live. While in hospice, a friend passes Covid to her. Even if she dies a few days or weeks early... Covid was incidental.


CDC acknowledges that the first group comprises only 6% of all claimed Covid deaths. They acknowledge that the AVERAGE Covid fatality is a 78 year old with 2.5 OTHER comorbidities. If that is the "average" then you can easily surmise that no more than half of that 141,000 died primarily of Covid.

The people who are dying are advanced in age and unhealthy.... they aren't college football players or even the average fan that shows up on Saturday.

 

[allvol123]

To start off I studied Public Health for 6 years and have my Masters in it. But let's forget about that because this is common sense.

We have 163k deaths and many active cases in this country.

Now common sense dictates, more contact=more cases. More cases=more deaths.

Even if you consider that these are younger adults, they have parents and grandparents who raise them and they constantly interact with. Not to mention fans.

Testing while it definitely helps isnt 100% accurate, therefore even if they test negative. They could still very well be spreading it.

Idgaf what you have. Your statement was stupid. Maybe you should get a refund or send them a thank you note.

There would certainly be protocols in place and very rigid guidelines to proceeding. If some grandparent or whoever died you have no way of proving they wouldnt have died had football not been played.

But proceed with your nonsense.

 

[ButchPlz]

To start off I studied Public Health for 6 years and have my Masters in it. But let's forget about that because this is common sense.

We have 163k deaths and many active cases in this country.

Now common sense dictates, more contact=more cases. More cases=more deaths.

Even if you consider that these are younger adults, they have parents and grandparents who raise them and they constantly interact with. Not to mention fans.

Testing while it definitely helps isnt 100% accurate, therefore even if they test negative...They could still very well be spreading it.

If you actually paid attention in public health you'd ask about things like untested asymptomatic cases (thus not showing up in mortality %), you'd note repeat tests (being counted as multiple causes which is happening here in Virginia), you'd understand the potential for mislabeled deaths, etc. These aren't tinfoil hat conspiracies.

 

[Volfan1000]

Yep. SEC won’t be playing. Same thing is going on in Knox County Schools right now. They know they aren’t going to be having in person classes but they’re too chicken and incompetent to let the public know, so they’re giving the appearance that are planning on in-class instruction. It ain’t happening.

Knox County Schools will probably wait and start classes after the Labor Day weekend.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

To start off I studied Public Health for 6 years and have my Masters in it. But let's forget about that because this is common sense.

We have 163k deaths and many active cases in this country.

Now common sense dictates, more contact=more cases. More cases=more deaths.

Even if you consider that these are younger adults, they have parents and grandparents who raise them and they constantly interact with. Not to mention fans.

Testing while it definitely helps isnt 100% accurate, therefore even if they test negative...They could still very well be spreading it.

And again, them playing does not automatically make them more susceptible to getting it. Rather, it incentiveses players to be more responsible with who they come in contact.

Why is 'they might give it to granny'! A good argument?? Most everyone is socially distancing from vulnerable people and have been.

I stay away from my granny because of this and she does from me. We access the risk and move on with life. I dont believe in the fear and I'm not like "I'm coming over anyway granny!!" She doesn't believe in the fear and she is perfectly capable of restricting her contact from people.

 

[zaqhhh]

Idgaf what you have. Your statement was stupid. Maybe you should get a refund or send them a thank you note.

There would certainly be protocols in place and very rigid guidelines to proceeding. If some grandparent or whoever died you have no way of proving they wouldnt have died had football not been played.

But proceed with your nonsense.

Right because you don't care about science or facts or health.

You care about yourself.

And it doesn't matter if I have proof they died from that. The point is that some would die from it. That may be a risk you are willing to take.

Your ****** moral compass isn't my problem, public health is.

 

[allvol123]

Right because you don't care about science or facts or health.

You care about yourself.

And it doesn't matter if I have proof they died from that. The point is that some would die from it. That may be a risk you are willing to take.

Your ****** moral compass isn't my problem, public health is.

There would be no statistically significant difference in death toll whether this ramped down college football season happens or not.

Thus, your statement was assinine.

 

[sjt18]

And will be assuredly more with a CFB season than without it.

This virus has brought out the "I'm not going to die so why should my life be inconvenienced. What is this a socialist country?" crowd out of the woodwork.

We all love CFB but now is not the time.

If you did not think college football should have been cancelled for the flu which DOES attack and kill the young in spite of vaccines and treatments... then you have no basis for wanting this season cancelled for Covid.

Due to a number of factors, the fatality rates have lost media popularity because they're no longer scary. The last time I checked "excess deaths" for the year now total about 75,000 and are dropping. Current excess deaths are right around neutral meaning that no more people are dying than we would normally expect to die. Chances are... this will almost completely level out over the next two years since MOST of those who died WITH Covid were end of life patients to begin with.

People catch Covid just like they catch the flu. Unlike the flu, many or perhaps a very large percentage do not have significant symptoms. They younger and healthier you are... the less likely you are to have symptoms or experience a severe case.

This has nothing to do with what you just posted and everything to do with staying rational and following the data without believing media narratives uncritically.

 

[zaqhhh]

If you actually paid attention in public health you'd ask about things like untested asymptomatic cases (thus not showing up in mortality %), you'd note repeat tests (being counted as multiple causes which is happening here in Virginia), you'd understand the potential for mislabeled deaths, etc. These aren't tinfoil hat conspiracies.

Just because some of these exist, doesn't invalidate the safety precautions.

It is totally a tin foil hat theory to say more contact won't cause more spread.

Actually not even in a theory just downright stupidity.

I'd trust a 5 year old to know better.

 

[Sub Par SUPERSTAR]

If I counted every death of someone with a pimple as a "pimple death"... would that mean millions died of pimples?

There are at least 3 ways Covid "deaths" need to be reported- Died from Covid, Died from another cause aggravated by Covid, and Covid incidental to death.

Here are examples.

- An otherwise healthy man catches Covid and does not respond to treatment. Over the next weeks his Covid is made worse by pneumonia or some other bacterial infection. You can rightly say that person died OF Covid.

-A 78 year old lifelong smoker in poor health and several chronic conditions like diabetes, emphysema, and COPD contracts Covid and dies. Covid aggravated things that were already killing him.

-A 65 year old woman has leukemia and is placed in hospice with weeks to live. While in hospice, a friend passes Covid to her. Even if she dies a few days or weeks early... Covid was incidental.


CDC acknowledges that the first group comprises only 6% of all claimed Covid deaths. They acknowledge that the AVERAGE Covid fatality is a 78 year old with 2.5 OTHER comorbidities. If that is the "average" then you can easily surmise that no more than half of that 141,000 died primarily of Covid.

The people who are dying are advanced in age and unhealthy.... they aren't college football players or even the average fan that shows up on Saturday.

What are the long term health effects from having contracted and recovered from Covid-19?

 

[ButchPlz]

Just because some of these exist, doesn't invalidate the safety precautions.

It is totally a tin foil hat theory to say more contact won't cause more spread.

Actually not even in a theory just downright stupidity.

I'd trust a 5 year old to know better.

Now I know you are a real goober.

If those things I noted are widespread- which they are- it would likely indicate that the mortality rate is not very unusual and the overboard safety precautions crushing businesses and livelihoods all over the country are indeed invalid.

 

[zaqhhh]

An improved immune system.

Evidence? Also, what about loss of smell, possible lung capacity deterioration?

Answer is we just don't know and you may want to take that risk, but your wants do not outweigh societal needs.

 

[Sub Par SUPERSTAR]

An improved immune system.

[Citation Needed]