Pray for missing Titanic Submersible

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VolsSportsFan said:
Considering the corners this dude cut and the experts he ignored, I'd say sometimes that red tape is actually a good thing.
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Exactly. He was a businessman who was trying to make money off of Titanic tourism, developed an experimental submersible--used carbon-fiber in the hull for the first time--- but ignored multiple requests from many industry experts to get it certified and was rather arrogant about it, tried to keep costs down--and we see the result. Going more than 2 miles down in the ocean is the same as building a jet aircraft--it has to be failsafe. There was an expert on TV a few minutes ago who said he was involved in inspecting the submersible and found a lot of reasons for concern--including not enough system redundancies and "shoddy parts." He had planned to go down on the thing but decided not to after getting a close look at the sub. Sorry for the loss of life.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Not necessarily. Lessons learned and applied to the next iteration far faster and at less expense than a government bureaucracy would ever get it approved..
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Crazy comment--the guy tried to cut corners and five people died as a result. We have regulations and certifications for good reasons.....Three dozen industry experts warned the dude in a letter a couple of years ago that he was risking "catastrophe" if he didn't go through the certification process.
 
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turbovol said:
Crazy comment--the guy tried to cut corners and five people died as a result. We have regulations and certifications for good reasons.....Three dozen industry experts warned the dude in a letter a couple of years ago that he was risking "catastrophe" if he didn't go through the certification process.
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Are you saying there are no lessons to be learned from this incident and/or if there were, they would not be applied to the next iteration of a deep sea submersible?

If that is what you're claiming, I will say that is not a crazy comment as you suggested but some further down the scale towards idiocy.
 
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P=pgh=(1.94 sl/ft^3)(32.2 ft/s^2)(14000ft)=874552 lb/ft^2 ~ 6073 psi. This is approximately the amount of pressure the sub would have experienced at that depth. Just multiply this by the cross-sectional area of the sub (which would change depending on its orientation) to get the amount of force the sub would have experienced, which would have been immense.
 
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OceanGate submersible: Titanic-bound submersible suffered 'catastrophic implosion,' killing all 5 on board, US Coast Guard says | CNN

The tail cone and other debris from the missing submersible were found by a remotely operated vehicle about 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic, which rests about 13,000 feet deep in the North Atlantic Ocean.
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Seeing debris was found 1600 feet from the hull of the Titanic. I get that it is 2 miles down and not easy, but they said in previous reports they were search an area twice the size of Connecticut. Seems if they were going to the Titanic the search should start from there and move outward and this should have been found earlier.
 
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One of the experts on the news said you would be crushed in 2 nano seconds (a nano second is one billionth of a second) and that it takes 4 nano seconds for an implulse to travel to your brain so you would never know it.
 
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rjd970 said:
OceanGate submersible: Titanic-bound submersible suffered 'catastrophic implosion,' killing all 5 on board, US Coast Guard says | CNN



Seeing debris was found 1600 feet from the hull of the Titanic. I get that it is 2 miles down and not easy, but they said in previous reports they were search an area twice the size of Connecticut. Seems if they were going to the Titanic the search should start from there and move outward and this should have been found earlier.
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The Connecticut sized search the way I read it was the surface search from aircraft in case it had automatically surfaced and was drifting but didn’t have operational radio. The bottom search would of course be centered close to the Titanic wreck site but that had to wait on specialized side scan sonar and remotely operated vehicles which took longer to arrive
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The Connecticut sized search the way I read it was the surface search from aircraft in case it had automatically surfaced and was drifting but didn’t have operational radio. The bottom search would of course be centered close to the Titanic wreck site but that had to wait on specialized side scan sonar and remotely operated vehicles which took longer to arrive
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Gotcha, makes sense.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Not necessarily. Lessons learned and applied to the next iteration far faster and at less expense than a government bureaucracy would ever get it approved..
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The ceo seemed to support dei instead of competence and experience. Hopefully something to be learned from.
 
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C-south said:
The ceo seemed to support dei instead of competence and experience. Hopefully something to be learned from.
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Unfortunately, too many people with his line of thinking are going to force that garbage on all of us.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
A submarine implodes at crush depth faster than nerve impulses. Literally dead before you know it.
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This. An implosion at any significant depth occurs so quickly that the human mind does not have time to realize / process it. As for the submersible itself, after doing some reading on how it was built… untested tech…1300m limit on the porthole… lack of emergency/distress equipment…etc., this was a disaster looking for a place to happen.

And eventually it did.
 
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C-south said:
The ceo seemed to support dei instead of competence and experience. Hopefully something to be learned from.
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He also didn’t want 50 year old white guy engineers because they aren’t „inspirational“ enough.
SpaceX gets the best of both worlds, a lot of young engineers but overseen by experienced 50+ year olds
 
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davethevol said:
Considering it was like every 30 minutes, that is odd.
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From what I understood at end of day yesterday, I don't think that's what happened. They heard it, they heard again it 30 minutes later, then they heard it 4 hours later. CNN and Rolling Stone ran with 30 minutes after the first occurances but I don't think it ever repeated at that interval again.

In the coast guard presser yesterday they said they didn't know anything about 30 minute intervals. You'd think the x navy guy in the sub would have them tapping SOS too. There is a ton of metal in the water their thanks to it being a wreck site. So it's not suprising to hear those kind of sounds their. My guess now is the Titan imploded days ago.
 
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Any other bubbleheads here want to explain “noise in the water”; biologics; and how hearing it and figuring out where it came from is best left to passive sonars with both bearing and D/E capability?

Despite it likely being a small “bang”, there’s a chance SOSUS picked it up, and a look-back at the tapes once the submersible was declared missing told the ROV where to look. Although in this case, the datum was obvious, making the initial search point easy to determine.
 
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