Praying Before Game WILL NOT BE STOPPED AT UT (merged)

I like how some construe the movement to remove prayer (which often tends to be of a Christian bent; UT and the Lord's Prayer as an example) from public events and places supported by tax dollars as a move to impinge upon people's rights. The thing that is often overlooked in such a view is that the persistent desire to keep prayer in these scenarios is in fact THE infringement of people's rights. Anyhow, who cares about minorities, right? As Americans we have had a hard time dealing with our minorities, of whatever kind they may be.

And I'm out of here.
 
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I don't judge people over religion bc it doesn't make a person who they are. If it did, then there would barely be a crime rate in America bc it's dominantly Christian here. This is why religion shouldn't be so important on judgement of human beings.

So, who are all those people in prison?
 
A moment of silence would fix everything with regards to this. I have to admit as an agnostic I was a little uneasy when they asked me to remove my cap for the invocation. It had been a whole since I went to a game and too wondered how long before non-theists had a problem with this. I did not remove my cap and talked to my wife during the prayer drawing looks from those around me. No reason to put anyone in a position to be uncomfortable and leading 100k+ in a Christian prayer every week definitely does that. A moment of silence let's ÿôü pray....or not.......or stare at the girls butt in front of you.
 
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Lots of deep thought going on here. I'm impressed.

And as much as it greatly pains me to do so, I even have to give props to the Gator (wow glad that is over -- pretty unlikely that I'll ever have to do it again)
 
You wouldn't consider that a part of Freedom of Speech? Nowhere does it say the speech has to be spoken, thus essentially the government is taking away our right of speech to Who of What we believe in, which violates the 1st amendment.

The university is a government/public institution. If NASCAR wants to do it and the same group objected perhaps there would be an argument there.

Like institutionalized discrimination it is taking something away that never should have been there in the first place.
 
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yup...now that could be a result of the more educated you are the more likely you are to be an atheist and also true the more educated you are the less likely you are to be in prison in the first place...

Dr. Francis Collins laughs at this.
 
One last thought for the night. I have no problem with a "moment of silence". I think that may be the best to honor all religions and beliefs.

Thanks for the civil, thought provoking discussion, everyone. Hope everyone has a good night.
 
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The university is a government/public institution. If NASCAR wants to do it and the same group objected perhaps there would be an argument there.

Like institutionalized discrimination it is taking something away that never should have been there in the first place.

Fair enough. It was a pleasure having this conversation with you. :hi: Have a good night, Sweepy. :good!:
 
I don't have to wait the 30 seconds...it should be incumbent upon you if you want to pray then you get up and go somewhere or close your eyes and do it.

In a public forum and a public institution this ain't gonna fly. Long overdue and the courts will confirm. The reason it has gone on so long is a deference to religion that in my opinion needs to end.

One defers, one loses. Us atheist's really have not lost a thing since their really is nothing to win. After all, since one needs faith to believe in a supreme being, it's the same faith that falters. Basically, IMO, one can lead a good life without paying homage to any god, and end up dead. On the other hand, one can lead a good life paying homage, money, time, hope,,,and still end up dead. G'night folks,,,enjoyed the discussion. Here's wishing you all get what you hope for.
 
Prayer before the games is a good tradition. If anybody wants to challenge it legally, I say pony up for all lawyers necessary and sue them back relentlessly until they take their harassment elsewhere.
 
Moment of silence before the game would be a good new tradition. Lots of people looking for new traditions.
 
Assumptions, and not necessarily true. Please provide a source.

Please understand that these are correlations and do not apply to everyone but yeas, a number of studies have shown those most educated and most intelligent are more likely to be atheist..doesn't mean intelligence=atheism or that stupidity=belief...wiki:

Studies comparing religious belief and I.Q.

In 2008, intelligence researcher Helmuth Nyborg examined whether IQ relates to denomination and income, using representative data from the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of white American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious belief. His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence, demonstrated that Atheists scored an average of 1.95 IQ points higher than Agnostics, 3.82 points higher than Liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions.[4]

Nyborg also co-authored a study with Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, which compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries.[5] The study analysed the issue from several viewpoints. Firstly, using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 IQ points higher than those adhering to a religion.

Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be “highly statistically significant”.[5]
 
"Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love." — Butch Hancock
 
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