Pre-Game tributes to 9/11?

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aaronvol said:
i do not believe our freedoms come though war, first and foremost. they are the actions of a free society's decisions to live that way. the only freedom that can be given or taken away is that which our government decides to talk away. if freedom is accomplished through violence there is no freedom i possess, no way of life, no standard of living that i would ask my son or daughter to die or kill for so that i could have.
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There was something called the Revolutionary War that gave you a lot of the freedoms you have today. Think about it.
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#80
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I am the proud son of a naval officer. Every time I get to tell people what my dad does I say it with more pride than I have for many of my own individual accomplishments. When we are at a game, or an event, etc. and they ask all members of military and their families to stand up it brings about a feeling of pride that I cant even express.

My dad has never been in the line of fire (the nature of the job in the modern Navy), but he has devoted time away from me and my family for years to service US Navy and all of us over here. He's been in places that many of us cant even imagine, things that he cant even talk about without getting discharged. And for that I am proud. I feel blessed that I am constantly humbled by the man that gave me life, because many people in the world need to be humbled.

I certainly believe that all members of our armed forces should be commemorated, and it just so happens that Saturday is 9/11, a date that has embodied my generation. I was 13 when it happened and I still remember that day vividly. So I absolutely feel that we should do something to show our appreciation on Saturday.

aaron, I think you have many great points, many of which I agree with. I just feel like you should show a bit more respect in a discussion like this, especially given the audience you are debating with. what if your father/son fought or was killed in a war (regardless of the reasons we were in it)? How would you want to remember him?

That is all I have to say about that....

Anyways.. GO VOLS!!! I hope we beat the s**t out of the Ducks on Saturday, just remember that this game wouldnt happen without the sacrifices of many brave people over the years.
 
#81
#81
Wow, dude is just flinging poo against the wall hoping something sticks.

So let me get this straight, our response to Pearl Harbor & 9/11 was "misguided"? And how do you propose we handle such unprovoked attacks? Oh I know, let's just pretend it didn't happen & go about our merry little way. Freaking idiot. You were the moron who would get attacked by the bully at school everyday & just stand in the corner with blood running down your face & piss running down your leg crying, "why?" The only way to deal with bullies is to bow up and bust them in the mouth. Guess what, there were and continue to be regimes that are "bullies".

So the next time you decide to "enlighten" us with one of your philosophies on life, just remember... The men and women who serve in our armed forces have willingly and freely signed up to fight for your right to do so. They did not ask for this fight, they simply answered the call of duty. And for that, I thank them.
 
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volguess06 said:
I am the proud son of a naval officer. Every time I get to tell people what my dad does I say it with more pride than I have for many of my own individual accomplishments. When we are at a game, or an event, etc. and they ask all members of military and their families to stand up it brings about a feeling of pride that I cant even express.

My dad has never been in the line of fire (the nature of the job in the modern Navy), but he has devoted time away from me and my family for years to service US Navy and all of us over here. He's been in places that many of us cant even imagine, things that he cant even talk about without getting discharged. And for that I am proud. I feel blessed that I am constantly humbled by the man that gave me life, because many people in the world need to be humbled.

I certainly believe that all members of our armed forces should be commemorated, and it just so happens that Saturday is 9/11, a date that has embodied my generation. I was 13 when it happened and I still remember that day vividly. So I absolutely feel that we should do something to show our appreciation on Saturday.

aaron, I think you have many great points, many of which I agree with. I just feel like you should show a bit more respect in a discussion like this, especially given the audience you are debating with. what if your father/son fought or was killed in a war (regardless of the reasons we were in it)? How would you want to remember him?

That is all I have to say about that....

Anyways.. GO VOLS!!! I hope we beat the s**t out of the Ducks on Saturday, just remember that this game wouldnt happen without the sacrifices of many brave people over the years.
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thank you for this post:hi:
 
#83
#83
volguess06 said:
I am the proud son of a naval officer. Every time I get to tell people what my dad does I say it with more pride than I have for many of my own individual accomplishments. When we are at a game, or an event, etc. and they ask all members of military and their families to stand up it brings about a feeling of pride that I cant even express.

My dad has never been in the line of fire (the nature of the job in the modern Navy), but he has devoted time away from me and my family for years to service US Navy and all of us over here. He's been in places that many of us cant even imagine, things that he cant even talk about without getting discharged. And for that I am proud. I feel blessed that I am constantly humbled by the man that gave me life, because many people in the world need to be humbled.

I certainly believe that all members of our armed forces should be commemorated, and it just so happens that Saturday is 9/11, a date that has embodied my generation. I was 13 when it happened and I still remember that day vividly. So I absolutely feel that we should do something to show our appreciation on Saturday.

aaron, I think you have many great points, many of which I agree with. I just feel like you should show a bit more respect in a discussion like this, especially given the audience you are debating with. what if your father/son fought or was killed in a war (regardless of the reasons we were in it)? How would you want to remember him?

That is all I have to say about that....

Anyways.. GO VOLS!!! I hope we beat the s**t out of the Ducks on Saturday, just remember that this game wouldnt happen without the sacrifices of many brave people over the years.
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thanks for this post. :hi:
 
#86
#86
aaronvol said:
actually i do have perspective. I simply think it is over done. no haiti tribute, no tsunami tribute, its just a way for people to pump their chests and feel patriotic. The problem is that it will be more about our country adn servicemen and women than it will be the people who lost their lives. i think that sucks.
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Pretty sure it would be a tribute to the thousands that lost their lives or injured in a terrorist attck on American soil. Not foreigners lives that were affected by natural disasters.

With your logic everyone who lost a trailer in Ok should have a tribute.

And it is about the victims not the service men and women defending your right to ensure it doesnt happen again. If you have such distain for our troops, how bout you say that to one of our faces instead of here creampuff?
 
#87
#87
aaronvol said:
and i am betting that lee greenwood will be there...crap. and then everyone can cheer when he sings "hills of tennessee"...and some helicopters will zip over, an eagle will fly around, people will get goosebumps...
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Here's a great idea: stay home. If you dont' like it, you don't have to sit through it. That's why this is a great country. The VAST majority of the people in Tennessee (and in the USA) seem to think that this is an appropriate thing to do and look forward to it . . . but let me guess . . . I suppose it's an infringement on your "right" not to have to sit through it. Again, that's the beauty of a football game: it's a voluntary event. You can stay home.

As for the Hati and the tsunami tribute, maybe since this is "only" about our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, perhaps we can focus on the great work those men and women did in responding to those disasters (and all the help that we are flying into flooded areas in Pakistan . . . even as rioters in Islamabad burn flags because a group of about 10 idiots in Florida are thinking about burning Korans).

The 82nd Airborne Division spent nearly two months down in Haiti helping to get things stabilized so the international relief organizations could go in and take over (by the way, that month they spent there took away from their supposed "down time" between deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan). Oh, and Navy ships and marines lifted massive amounts of humanitarian supplies and supplied medical personnel to the tsunami-devastated areas).

Not to mention the thousands of troops that have died in the wars subsequent to 9/11 . . . some of whom I commanded in combat. Whether you agree with the wars or not, I thought that maybe we had moved past the whole 1960's hippie crap where we blame soldiers for the decisions of politicians.

And then we have the 3,000 innocent souls who were killed on September 11th, 2001 just because they went to work, and a group of sub-human scum thought it would be a good idea to fly airliners into the Trade Centers and the Pentagon. And then there is that little thing about those passengers who stormed the cockpit of their hijacked airliner when they realized that they were in a no-win situation and prevented possibly another plane hitting the White House or the Capitol. Remember "let's roll?" Probably not. It's just the last words of a hero who led his fellow civilians in a life and death struggle with the terrorists on his plane.

But, yeah, you're right. It's "only" about our troops. We should cancel it. Not worthy of commemoration.
 
#90
#90
Chad F said:
Here's a great idea: stay home. If you dont' like it, you don't have to sit through it. That's why this is a great country. The VAST majority of the people in Tennessee (and in the USA) seem to think that this is an appropriate thing to do and look forward to it . . . but let me guess . . . I suppose it's an infringement on your "right" not to have to sit through it. Again, that's the beauty of a football game: it's a voluntary event. You can stay home.

As for the Hati and the tsunami tribute, maybe since this is "only" about our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, perhaps we can focus on the great work those men and women did in responding to those disasters (and all the help that we are flying into flooded areas in Pakistan . . . even as rioters in Islamabad burn flags because a group of about 10 idiots in Florida are thinking about burning Korans).

The 82nd Airborne Division spent nearly two months down in Haiti helping to get things stabilized so the international relief organizations could go in and take over (by the way, that month they spent there took away from their supposed "down time" between deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan). Oh, and Navy ships and marines lifted massive amounts of humanitarian supplies and supplied medical personnel to the tsunami-devastated areas).

Not to mention the thousands of troops that have died in the wars subsequent to 9/11 . . . some of whom I commanded in combat. Whether you agree with the wars or not, I thought that maybe we had moved past the whole 1960's hippie crap where we blame soldiers for the decisions of politicians.

And then we have the 3,000 innocent souls who were killed on September 11th, 2001 just because they went to work, and a group of sub-human scum thought it would be a good idea to fly airliners into the Trade Centers and the Pentagon. And then there is that little thing about those passengers who stormed the cockpit of their hijacked airliner when they realized that they were in a no-win situation and prevented possibly another plane hitting the White House or the Capitol. Remember "let's roll?" Probably not. It's just the last words of a hero who led his fellow civilians in a life and death struggle with the terrorists on his plane.

But, yeah, you're right. It's "only" about our troops. We should cancel it. Not worthy of commemoration.
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Well Said!
 
#91
#91
aaronvol said:
i won't bring the church into it if you won't stand when they sing God Bless America...fair?
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Talk about religion or whatever you want. I feel sorry for you.

Men (I use that term very loosely in referring to you) who don't believe in anything strongly enough to fight for it must have a sad existence. I truly don't know what keeps you going. You might think that you are willing to die like Ghandi or something before you would do another harm, but remember this: not everyone in the world shares the same idealistic, utopian philosophy that you supposedly have. One day, you might be unlucky enough meet some of those folks and the harm that they would do to YOU and your family, regardless of being unprovoked by anything except your very existence, might change your tune.

Of course, you'll probably just waltz through your life eating fast food and playing video games without ever having to meet those kinds of people. You'll never be mentally able to comprehend that the reason why you'll probably never meet those murders who HATE you for being a Christian, American, or whatever is because those "unworthy" souls who do what you are incapble of doing: risking his or her life for something more important than themselves.

I regret lowering myself to correspond with you. I truly hope I never meet you or ever see your name again. Unfortunately, I'll think about you every time I talk to one of my old soldiers who fought with me in Iraq and lost both his legs to an Iranian-made IED. When compared to HIS sacrifice, you are irrelevant and unworthy. Thanks.
 
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#92
#92
My apologies to Volnation for getting emotional on this issue.

Go Vols! Beat Oregon!
 
#94
#94
Chad F said:
My apologies to Volnation for getting emotional on this issue.

Go Vols! Beat Oregon!
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That M'fer has lost his mind. He needs to spend a little time overseas, away from his mommy and daddy, wondering if the next day will be his last on earth, to really appreciate what he has.

I should have never opened this thread. Now my blood pressure is up.
 
#96
#96
vols2316 said:
On another note, going back to the original post. Not sure what they are doing as far as acitivities, but the UT sideline apparel will have the "Power T" with the American flag inside. The players and coaches on the sideline will wear polos, tees, and hats with this logo to show their respect.
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I saw one of those polos in one of the stores on campus and figured that that's what they were intended for. I would like to see something special done with the field as well, but if it's going to be wet like weather channel is predicting, I wouldn't want it all torn up by the cleats.
 
#97
#97
Hello. First of all many of you have totally misunderstood what I have said. Not once have I talked poorly of our troops. NOt once have I been disrespectful to our servicemen and women. On a side note I refuse to eat fastfood and I don't play video games. I love my wife, my church family, and believe in the Kingdom of GOd as demonstrated by Christ. My only point was that 9-11 will be used to honor the military, which is misplaced. Hear me out. It is a day to commemorate the loss of lives in the towers and the pentagon. It is simply a day to honor the men and women who were killed on that horrible day...HOWEVER, we have turned that into a day to use military symbols to envoke patriotism. Anyone who desires to go into the military has that option. I have found most responses blurred with statements that can't be founded on any real historical facts. And, I find it arrogant, to turn this day into a military celebration, when it wasn't a military issue. The truth of the matter is we are commemorating our response to 9-11 more than the lives actually lost. I think UT's response with the flag on the helmet is a classy example of how to properly remember those lost. Or to have a moment of silence for lives lost. But to have a fly over of war planes of choppers is irelevant. Human lives lost innocently is greater than any national boundaries, cultural differences, or national pride...and certainly has its rightful place as a loss for all of humanity.
 
#99
#99
aaronvol said:
Hello. First of all many of you have totally misunderstood what I have said. Not once have I talked poorly of our troops. NOt once have I been disrespectful to our servicemen and women. On a side note I refuse to eat fastfood and I don't play video games. I love my wife, my church family, and believe in the Kingdom of GOd as demonstrated by Christ. My only point was that 9-11 will be used to honor the military, which is misplaced. Hear me out. It is a day to commemorate the loss of lives in the towers and the pentagon. It is simply a day to honor the men and women who were killed on that horrible day...HOWEVER, we have turned that into a day to use military symbols to envoke patriotism. Anyone who desires to go into the military has that option. I have found most responses blurred with statements that can't be founded on any real historical facts. And, I find it arrogant, to turn this day into a military celebration, when it wasn't a military issue. The truth of the matter is we are commemorating our response to 9-11 more than the lives actually lost. I think UT's response with the flag on the helmet is a classy example of how to properly remember those lost. Or to have a moment of silence for lives lost. But to have a fly over of war planes of choppers is irelevant. Human lives lost innocently is greater than any national boundaries, cultural differences, or national pride...and certainly has its rightful place as a loss for all of humanity.
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Give it up. Nice try though
 
#100
#100
aaronvol said:
Hello. First of all many of you have totally misunderstood what I have said. Not once have I talked poorly of our troops. NOt once have I been disrespectful to our servicemen and women. On a side note I refuse to eat fastfood and I don't play video games. I love my wife, my church family, and believe in the Kingdom of GOd as demonstrated by Christ. My only point was that 9-11 will be used to honor the military, which is misplaced. Hear me out. It is a day to commemorate the loss of lives in the towers and the pentagon. It is simply a day to honor the men and women who were killed on that horrible day...HOWEVER, we have turned that into a day to use military symbols to envoke patriotism. Anyone who desires to go into the military has that option. I have found most responses blurred with statements that can't be founded on any real historical facts. And, I find it arrogant, to turn this day into a military celebration, when it wasn't a military issue. The truth of the matter is we are commemorating our response to 9-11 more than the lives actually lost. I think UT's response with the flag on the helmet is a classy example of how to properly remember those lost. Or to have a moment of silence for lives lost. But to have a fly over of war planes of choppers is irelevant. Human lives lost innocently is greater than any national boundaries, cultural differences, or national pride...and certainly has its rightful place as a loss for all of humanity.
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Ok, so substitute "go through life attending Church each day" in place of the fast food and video games quote. Makes no difference.

Given your earlier "points" about "blind patriotism," I fail to understand how you can then turn around and call putting a flag on a UT helmet a "classy" act.

Quit throwing up your religion and your supposed grasp of history as a defense. I'm an Army officer with a graduate degree and a published author. American history isn't exactly perfect, but it is a story of a people who were willing to risk it all to have a life better than the one they had elsewhere. The world is a mean, violent place. Ask those that have had to live under the Taliban, the Khmer Rouge, or through Stalin's purges.

You're right that war doesn't solve everything. Unfortunately, it is necessary at times. No one who has seriously read any history at all can deny this. If you think that war is never necessary, you should turn in whatever diploma they gave you because it isn't worth the paper it's written on.

And, to be frank, 9/11 was an act of war. It wasn't as simple as President Bush made it out to be, but it was (is) war nonetheless. Read Bin Laden's 1998 fatwa where he says it is the duty of all Muslims to "kill Americans and plunder their possessions wherever you find them." Bin Laden doesn't represent all Muslims, but he has followers. A lot of them. I've seen them up close, and they will chop your head off because you "believe in the Kingdom of GOd as demonstrated by Christ."

I think that we pretty much botched our response to the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Afghanistan has been neglected and invading Iraq was a strategic mistake. And while you are right that our freedom doesn't come from war, it is definitely secured by it. That's not to say that all American military actions have been well thought-out or effectively executed, but the only reason why we have a country where you can attend the church of your choice without fear of repurcussions or repression is because there are men and women willing to stand watch against those that would take your freedoms away and impose THEIR value system on you.

Maybe you're right that many somehow use 9/11 commemorations for something that they shouldn't. However, the service of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines will FOREVER be linked to anything related to 9/11. Those guys are the ones who carried the fight to an enemy that had planned and resourced that act of mass murder in the caves of Afghanistan. Isn't it great that we have men and women who, unlike you apparently, are willing to sacrifice so much for their country? Sacrificing even for guys like you who don't think that they merit acknowledgment on the anniversary of 9/11. Isn't it great that they will STILL be willing to die to protect your right to go to your precious church in comfort and security, regardless of how much they might dislike your views?

Oh, and I agree that "It is a day to commemorate the loss of lives in the towers and the Pentagon," (I went ahead and captialized the "P" in Pentagon because I wasn't sure if you just mistyped or if you didn't want to pay that building the respect it deserves). Maybe you missed it because you were too busy "studying" history, but the Pentagon was full of military personnel . . . it is kinda like the headquarters for our defense establishment. So, in the end, maybe we should pay some homage to those service members who were killed that day in the Pentagon (captial "P'), too.
 
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