Pre-Game tributes to 9/11?

Hello. First of all many of you have totally misunderstood what I have said. Not once have I talked poorly of our troops. NOt once have I been disrespectful to our servicemen and women. On a side note I refuse to eat fastfood and I don't play video games. I love my wife, my church family, and believe in the Kingdom of GOd as demonstrated by Christ. My only point was that 9-11 will be used to honor the military, which is misplaced. Hear me out. It is a day to commemorate the loss of lives in the towers and the pentagon. It is simply a day to honor the men and women who were killed on that horrible day...HOWEVER, we have turned that into a day to use military symbols to envoke patriotism. Anyone who desires to go into the military has that option. I have found most responses blurred with statements that can't be founded on any real historical facts. And, I find it arrogant, to turn this day into a military celebration, when it wasn't a military issue. The truth of the matter is we are commemorating our response to 9-11 more than the lives actually lost. I think UT's response with the flag on the helmet is a classy example of how to properly remember those lost. Or to have a moment of silence for lives lost. But to have a fly over of war planes of choppers is irelevant. Human lives lost innocently is greater than any national boundaries, cultural differences, or national pride...and certainly has its rightful place as a loss for all of humanity.

The 9/11 attacks were an act of war. You don't honor the people who died (civilian or not) by expressing sorrow. You honor them by killing the mf'ers that attacked the U.S.A.
and you put the world back on notice.

Evidently you live in a fairy tale world. Guess what...Iran, North Korea, and China don't live in that world. They would prefer that you were DEAD...Keep singing "We Are The World" while the Men and Women of the U.S. Armed Forces keep your sorry ass free!
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That's funny coming from you. You're an expert thread de-railer. Chill-out, Boutros..:)
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Yeah, but he's right on this one. And I contributed to it by getting ticked off and losing my temper.

Let's get back to some football! Go Vols!
 
Chad F i was going to chime in but you said it all. God Bless You Brother hope to see you in the desert someday. I will be the guy wearing orange when i am suppose to be in uniform. GO BIG ORANGE is also always capatalized.
 
great. maybe after that we can invade another country. are we gonna do this every year from here on out...do they do a pearl harbor thing at the sec championship game, or a jfk thing at the vandy game. we only do it so people wont complain that we didnt.

GTFO... of the country. You'd fit in well in France.
 
great. maybe after that we can invade another country. are we gonna do this every year from here on out...do they do a pearl harbor thing at the sec championship game, or a jfk thing at the vandy game. we only do it so people wont complain that we didnt.
You have officially won the award for the most ignorant troll post of the year award.
 
I think this says it well, one of my favorite quotes of all time:

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill
 
I just hope we aren't planning on burning any religious texts....

It's OK to burn Bama hats though isn't it??



actually i do have perspective. I simply think it is over done. no haiti tribute, no tsunami tribute, its just a way for people to pump their chests and feel patriotic. The problem is that it will be more about our country adn servicemen and women than it will be the people who lost their lives. i think that sucks.

No American flags flown over any American base in Haiti even though all the other countries fly thier flags Barry thinks it would send the wrong message if we flew ours.





That's because our servicemen and women are also losing there lives. Willingly sacrificing because of what happened that day. Politics aside, those people deserve to be commended.
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The last time the 11th was on a Saturday was 2004 and they didn't do a 9/11 tribute last year or the year before, but keep making a :crazy: of yourself.

Did you notice that Friday the 13th comes on Monday this month??



What do you suggest to be "more about the people who lost their lives?"

Oh, and on a side note, if you're going to generalize (its just a way for people to pump their chests and feel patriotic), you might choose some less important topic. For those who did lose loved ones, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's about more than what you've suggested it is.
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I bet you wear camo jammies because you fight sleep??

Why not just call it insomnia and take a chill pill??

Saturday is PATRIOT DAY.

The President is requested to issue each year a proclamation calling on:

state and local governments and the people of the United States to observe Patriot Day with appropriate programs and activities;

all departments, agencies, and instrumentalities of the United States and interested organizations and individuals to display the flag of the United States at half-staff on Patriot Day in honor of the individuals who lost their lives as a result of the terrorist attacks against the United States that occurred on September 11, 2001;

the people of the United States to observe a moment of silence on Patriot Day in honor of the individuals who lost their lives as a result of the terrorist attacks against the United States that occurred on September 11, 2001.
 
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actually i do have perspective. I simply think it is over done. no haiti tribute, no tsunami tribute, its just a way for people to pump their chests and feel patriotic. The problem is that it will be more about our country adn servicemen and women than it will be the people who lost their lives. i think that sucks.

I'm pretty sure any 9/11 tribute is a tribute our country, the troops, the rescuers/firefighters/police that died, the civilians that died and all the families that lost a loved one. Idiot. You must have forgotten that over 3,000 lost their lives on that day. And according to you, there is no way that a 9/11 tribute will be in their honor :crazy:
 
ask this instead...why did germany become so violent? look at how we handled them after WWI and then Japan after WWII.

Because they allowed too much political power to be centralized and unfortuantely they didn't end up with a benevolent dictator. (does that ever happen?)



do u not realize that he had his OWN country following and backing him? and the government of italy :crazy:

Actually Hitler admired Mussolini early on and copied some of his tactics in achieving absolute power.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
Benito M.

Too much of that stuff going on in today's America to suit my tastes.



Do you watch football? Football is legalized attempted murder.
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I keep thinking we should introduce football to some of the more violent places in the world, they could take their frustrations out in a more safe civil manner.

Remember we gave those oranges shoes to Russia??

Guess what, it ended the cold war!!




Let me guess...You're a 2nd year Philosophy Major?
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3rd year Art, finger painting??




1. history major
2. there has never been a freedom that we have actually fought for (except for rev war...issue of being able to vote and taxes, both of which are not worth human life) and really has to be seen as a civil war within the groupings of two british groups.
3. what group has tried to take actual freedoms?
4. i apologize for my generation...we will still believe that violence solves problems, adn that wars create solutions, even though history has shown that war only perpetuates more war.

Read much Zinn??

Big of you to apologize for your whole generation. :shades:
 
Talk about religion or whatever you want. I feel sorry for you.

Men (I use that term very loosely in referring to you) who don't believe in anything strongly enough to fight for it must have a sad existence. I truly don't know what keeps you going. You might think that you are willing to die like Ghandi or something before you would do another harm, but remember this: not everyone in the world shares the same idealistic, utopian philosophy that you supposedly have. One day, you might be unlucky enough meet some of those folks and the harm that they would do to YOU and your family, regardless of being unprovoked by anything except your very existence, might change your tune.

Of course, you'll probably just waltz through your life eating fast food and playing video games without ever having to meet those kinds of people. You'll never be mentally able to comprehend that the reason why you'll probably never meet those murders who HATE you for being a Christian, American, or whatever is because those "unworthy" souls who do what you are incapble of doing: risking his or her life for something more important than themselves.

I regret lowering myself to correspond with you. I truly hope I never meet you or ever see your name again. Unfortunately, I'll think about you every time I talk to one of my old soldiers who fought with me in Iraq and lost both his legs to an Iranian-made IED. When compared to HIS sacrifice, you are irrelevant and unworthy. Thanks.

:salute:

Thank you for your service to our country!

Hooah!

If you bump into my son over there in the sand box, tell him his Pops misses him.
 
The 9/11 attacks were an act of war. You don't honor the people who died (civilian or not) by expressing sorrow. You honor them by killing the mf'ers that attacked the U.S.A.
and you put the world back on notice.

Evidently you live in a fairy tale world. Guess what...Iran, North Korea, and China don't live in that world. They would prefer that you were DEAD...Keep singing "We Are The World" while the Men and Women of the U.S. Armed Forces keep your sorry ass free!
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:good!::good!::good!::good!::clapping::clapping: right on brother! Amen!
 
im not saying that they suck...they are courageous in their own way. they arent losing their lives because of that day...they are losing their lives by the way we chose to respond.

i'm guessing if you were president, you'd just send them an email saying you didn't appreciate that, and to please stop.
 
Very sad thread indeed.

I can appreciate that aaron views the world through the "everyone is intrinsically unselfish" prism. I can even appreciate that he doesn't care for our jingoism. However, the silliness that the Revolutionary War was the lone war fought for our way of life is very telling about his world. Listen to enough professors and mental soup is the outcome.
 
differently to 9.11.

We could have burned our own flag and raised taxes to build mosques in every town square to show the towel heads that we know they only attacked us because we are vile non muslim scum.

We could pretend that Moohammid was a "prophet" and ignore the fact that he murdered 100s of innocent people and was a sick sexual predator. We could ignore that his followers make it a practice to murder all who don't agree with them or subjugate them. We could ignore that everywhere Itslame has gone, the people are the worse for it.

Or some idiots who post here could move to France and let the rest of us enjoy our free nation while it still stands.

I personally think burning their idiot religious text at every gathering is appropriate and also a flag with moohommeds picture on it to boot.

Of course it would only be symbolic you know the way the idiots on the left and camel humpers everywhere burn our flag just as a freedom of speech thing.
 
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differently to 9.11.

We could have burned our own flag and raised taxes to build mosques in every town square to show the towel heads that we know they only attacked us because we are vile non muslim scum.

We could pretend that Moohammid was a "prophet" and ignore the fact that he murdered 100s of innocent people and was a sick sexual predator. We could ignore that his followers make it a practice to murder all who don't agree with them or subjugate them. We could ignore that everywhere Itslame has gone, the people are the worse for it.

Or some idiots who post here could move to France and let the rest of us enjoy our free nation while it still stands.

I personally think burning their idiot religious text at every gathering is appropriate and also a flag with moohommeds picture on it to boot.

Of course it would only be symbolic you know the way the idiots on the left and camel humpers everywhere burn our flag just as a freedom of speech thing.

Preach on brother!!!! :thumbsup:




My apologies to Volnation for getting emotional on this issue.

Go Vols! Beat Oregon!

No apology required, we need to be more passionate if anything!! :salute:




Ok, so substitute "go through life attending Church each day" in place of the fast food and video games quote. Makes no difference.

Given your earlier "points" about "blind patriotism," I fail to understand how you can then turn around and call putting a flag on a UT helmet a "classy" act.

Quit throwing up your religion and your supposed grasp of history as a defense. I'm an Army officer with a graduate degree and a published author. American history isn't exactly perfect, but it is a story of a people who were willing to risk it all to have a life better than the one they had elsewhere. The world is a mean, violent place. Ask those that have had to live under the Taliban, the Khmer Rouge, or through Stalin's purges.

You're right that war doesn't solve everything. Unfortunately, it is necessary at times. No one who has seriously read any history at all can deny this. If you think that war is never necessary, you should turn in whatever diploma they gave you because it isn't worth the paper it's written on.

And, to be frank, 9/11 was an act of war. It wasn't as simple as President Bush made it out to be, but it was (is) war nonetheless. Read Bin Laden's 1998 fatwa where he says it is the duty of all Muslims to "kill Americans and plunder their possessions wherever you find them." Bin Laden doesn't represent all Muslims, but he has followers. A lot of them. I've seen them up close, and they will chop your head off because you "believe in the Kingdom of GOd as demonstrated by Christ."

I think that we pretty much botched our response to the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Afghanistan has been neglected and invading Iraq was a strategic mistake. And while you are right that our freedom doesn't come from war, it is definitely secured by it. That's not to say that all American military actions have been well thought-out or effectively executed, but the only reason why we have a country where you can attend the church of your choice without fear of repurcussions or repression is because there are men and women willing to stand watch against those that would take your freedoms away and impose THEIR value system on you.

Maybe you're right that many somehow use 9/11 commemorations for something that they shouldn't. However, the service of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines will FOREVER be linked to anything related to 9/11. Those guys are the ones who carried the fight to an enemy that had planned and resourced that act of mass murder in the caves of Afghanistan. Isn't it great that we have men and women who, unlike you apparently, are willing to sacrifice so much for their country? Sacrificing even for guys like you who don't think that they merit acknowledgment on the anniversary of 9/11. Isn't it great that they will STILL be willing to die to protect your right to go to your precious church in comfort and security, regardless of how much they might dislike your views?

Oh, and I agree that "It is a day to commemorate the loss of lives in the towers and the Pentagon," (I went ahead and captialized the "P" in Pentagon because I wasn't sure if you just mistyped or if you didn't want to pay that building the respect it deserves). Maybe you missed it because you were too busy "studying" history, but the Pentagon was full of military personnel . . . it is kinda like the headquarters for our defense establishment. So, in the end, maybe we should pay some homage to those service members who were killed that day in the Pentagon (captial "P'), too.

May God be with and keep you, you elaborate so well.

May Heaven guard your soul.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say except for that Iraq was a stategic blunder.

On the grand chessboard let me say that I won a chess game against the Egyption national champion, once upon a time.

I have had the good fortune to meet some of the most intelligent people in the world during my life and I think the most inteligent I ever encountered was back in 1965 and 66.

He started in his military service as a Chinese translator and that was the cream of the crop, then he became a Russian translator and was about to become an Arabic translator and he told me then our most forbibable foe in the future would be from the Arabic speaking world and produced enough evidence to convince me back in '66.

Bear in mind we had access to daily CIA reports among other data.

In the grand scheme of things I think taking out Saddam Hussein the dictator of Irag was a strategic victory for freedom in the world.

Not that it wins the war but that capturing an active rook does lessen the stength of the enemy.

Otherwise I agree completely with everything you say.





The 9/11 attacks were an act of war. You don't honor the people who died (civilian or not) by expressing sorrow. You honor them by killing the mf'ers that attacked the U.S.A.
and you put the world back on notice.

Evidently you live in a fairy tale world. Guess what...Iran, North Korea, and China don't live in that world. They would prefer that you were DEAD...Keep singing "We Are The World" while the Men and Women of the U.S. Armed Forces keep your sorry ass free!
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Chad F i was going to chime in but you said it all. God Bless You Brother hope to see you in the desert someday. I will be the guy wearing orange when i am suppose to be in uniform. GO BIG ORANGE is also always capitalized.

:bow2::bow2::bow2::bow2:
 
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