Predict the East

#326
#326
Coaching is huge in CFB, look at Michigan State, Stanford, OKSU, BSU, Oregon, SC, Wisconsin, Baylor, etc., anyone want to play those type teams on a neutral field? They have players that average barely 3 stars and yet they kick ass, so who has more talent?
 
#327
#327
Talent is not actually based upon recruiting agency ratings, it is based on potential and development by coaching staffs that identify talent and develop it. Rating agencies focus on a small pool of HS players that elite teams are recruiting, hundreds if not thousands go under rated, great staffs identify those kids, develop them and are dynamic on the field when they fit those kids in their systems. Anyone want to play Mich State? SC? Wisconsin? Stanford? Etc. Etc. Etc.,
 
#328
#328
Quit counting stars, that is a losers game unless you recruit in the top 5 every year, and even then those types have some bumps in the road. Talent is a very obscure thing to measure, we all know kids that play with heart and soul, are leaders on the field but get overlooked by CFB elites because they are not the right size, lack the right intangibles etc, but they are ballers, talent? You measure it on star ratings? It does not always work that way. Staffs like Michigan State can identify underrated kids at will, develop them to excellence and put them in the right system and kick ass. Talent by star ratings be damned.
 
#329
#329
You cats that continue to measure the worth of a team by star ratings are missing the point. You need ballers, good kids with enough talent but mostly heart and soul, kids that want to be coached, get better every year and fit the system that they play in. Load up on highly rated 4-5 star kids and think it is a done job, you be wrong. Way more to it than that. Great coaching, development and recognition of underrated players are in play with schools that have great coaching. SC has averaged around top 20 in recruiting the past 5 years, yet has been a top ten or top 5 team past years while going 33-6 the last three. MSU the same. Countless others the same, the spit on recruiting rankings and prove it on the field.
 
#331
#331
GBO97 said:
They went 11-2 last year, we went 5-7. They have a better and more experienced defense, a more proven (not necessarily better) coach, and far more recent success than us.
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And that means a lot. Their kids have been in the program longer than ours. We are hoping freshmen help us, they have guys that have been waiting to step up and play. Matty Maulk was good last year. Our O-line is all new as is our D-Line. Their coach seems to be a pretty good teacher. He gets everything out of his players.
 
#339
#339
Ga...loss
Sc...loss
Mo....loss
Tn. (must beat Fla. at home)
Fla...win
Vandy..win
Ky....win

SEC record: 3 wins, 5 losses....Overall...7 and 6 (win bowl game)........additional losses: Ala. and Miss.
 
#340
#340
SPRINGHILLVOL said:
Ga...loss
Sc...loss
Mo....loss
Tn. (must beat Fla. at home)
Fla...win
Vandy..win
Ky....win

SEC record: 3 wins, 5 losses....Overall...7 and 6 (win bowl game)........additional losses: Ala. and Miss.
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Missiouri is more likely to be a win than Florida.
 
#341
#341
Rooster1 said:
Coaching is huge in CFB, look at Michigan State, Stanford, OKSU, BSU, Oregon, SC, Wisconsin, Baylor, etc., anyone want to play those type teams on a neutral field? They have players that average barely 3 stars and yet they kick ass, so who has more talent?
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These teams have won zero national championships in the BCS era. There is not a single one of those that could run the table in the SEC. Oregon has played the top of the SEC twice on neutral fields and were beaten. They were manhandled by LSU and scored under 20 points and 75 rushing yards when they played an Auburn team that wasn't known for defense. I will take the talent.
 
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#342
thebjd said:
These teams have won zero national championships in the BCS era. There is not a single one of those that could run the table in the SEC. Oregon has played the top of the SEC twice on neutral fields and were beaten. They were manhandled by LSU and scored under 20 points and 75 rushing yards when they played an Auburn team that wasn't known for defense. I will take the talent.
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You missed the point entirely.
 
#343
#343
PowerT83 said:
Who do they play besides Auburn?
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Serious question? Talented team replacing their all-SEC QB, new DC, and they're playing Clemson, Florida, SCar, Mizzou to go along with Auburn....5 lose-able games. No way they go undefeated.
 
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#345
#345
Bless your sweet little hearts. You do realize that we have NO returning offensive or defensive linemen, do you? That is unprecedented. Only inept recruiters can leave a team in this situation (Kitten and Doolander, I'm talking to you). If Butch Jones finishes second, then he should be worshipped as a deity. And I ain't holding my breath for that to happen.
Tennessee will finish fifth in the SEC East, only because it's time for Vandy to head back to the crapper where they belong with Kentucky, who never left it.
 
#348
#348
Well i'm looking at their schedule and see one tough game. From most posts i've read Florida and Mizzou are pushovers for UT. Clemson had a rough offseason. Carolina is always tough but they're not good as Georgia.

Serious question? Talented team replacing their all-SEC QB, new DC
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Auburn replaced a head coach and made it to the title game. Every team in college football has to replace something(s) every year.
 
#349
#349
PowerT83 said:
Auburn replaced a head coach and made it to the title game. Every team in college football has to replace something(s) every year.
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Little different situation than the normal coach replacement. Only two years removed from coaching the all the players. Not comparable to 'every team in college football'.
 
#350
#350
thebjd said:
These teams have won zero national championships in the BCS era. There is not a single one of those that could run the table in the SEC. Oregon has played the top of the SEC twice on neutral fields and were beaten. They were manhandled by LSU and scored under 20 points and 75 rushing yards when they played an Auburn team that wasn't known for defense. I will take the talent.
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The point was that outside of a small group of teams like Bama, which finish in the top 5 for recruiting rankings every year, there are not huge disparaties or differences in talent between teams ranked 5-30 in the rankings. For these teams, coaching, player development and player identification (finding the underrated players) are the difference makers. By the way, even Bama finds it difficult to run the table in the sec. Saban has done it exactly once even with the number one recruiting class every year. Failing to run the table in the SEC is not a talent barometer. And if you think Oregon and those other teams I mentioned are not very very highly talented, you have indeed missed the point.
 
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