Predicting our Final Class Ranking - 2016

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#101
LWSVOL said:
its not as simple as that..

you can't carry the 7 from 2008 forward forever and then suddenly 5 years later sign a class of 32 and back count 7 kids to 2008. NCAA requires counters to be identified each year.. you can't submit these two names from 2011 go back to 2010 count and these names from 2010 go back to 2009 count and these 3 names from 2009 go back to 2008. As soon as a class hits 25 you reset to zero openings.

you are using simple math but there are other factors..
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In 2009, 7 would have been backcounted to 2008. 8 from 2010 to 2009 and so on. As long as the institution has been as economical as possible along the way, then that's what they did. There's nothing to suggest they wouldn't have.

I wasn't trying to use 'simple math', but I was told that it was not possible because of the previous large signing classes. I showed that it was possible. You also went back and talked about how big the signing classes were along the way but stopped short of the small class of 2008.
 
#102
#102
LWSVOL said:
which you have to count grad transfers is what I was told. Not 100% certain they have determined he is going on scholarship yet because of the counter issues..
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I'm not sure, but I also believe that grad transfers do not count as an initial counter. Just towards the 85 if put on scholarship.
 
#103
#103
LWSVOL said:
you can sign prospects to a "financial aid agreement" and not a National Letter of Intent which allows you to talk about those players. You do not have to publicly state which recruits sign NLOI or FAAs.

Josh Malone signed a Financial Aid Agreement in November of 2013 which allowed Jones to talk about him in December of 2013 publicly. We know that because Jones talked about him then and it was explained by multiple media outlets. Josh did not sign the LOI..

We don't know which players signed which documents on signing day. It is unclear which players fit the definition of recruited and which do not, outside of Young, Perry and Bruce to the public.
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The complete ESPN quote: A blueshirt is a player who arrived on campus as a "preferred" or "recruited" walk-on and goes on to earn a football scholarship. The NCAA doesn't allow for schools to produce written promises of scholarships to walk-ons, but that doesn't stop a school from telling a prospect who walks on that an offer is coming after a certain point.

The recruiting sites listed the 27 players that were part of the class of '15 as having signed their LOI. It didn't say LOI or FAA. And when players have signed FAAs, they aren't listed as having signed with the school either. So, from this, we can conclude that the 27 players signed and were part of the class of '15.

We know that Bruce and Perry are blueshirting because they have stated publicly that they are doing so. I've not heard Young make the same statements, but he turned down a local scholarship to pursue mutual interest with the vols. So, he is most likely going on scholarship as well. 3 Blueshirts.
 
#104
#104
LWSVOL said:
which you have to count grad transfers is what I was told. Not 100% certain they have determined he is going on scholarship yet because of the counter issues..
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I didn't think that was the case but I hadn't looked into it. That sucks if true.
 
#105
#105
LWSVOL said:
which you have to count grad transfers is what I was told. Not 100% certain they have determined he is going on scholarship yet because of the counter issues..
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Yes grad transfers count and they have to be on scholarship I'm pretty sure. I don't think you can walk on as a grad transfer. Same rule applies to Renfro
 
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OddFuture said:
Yes grad transfers count and they have to be on scholarship I'm pretty sure. I don't think you can walk on as a grad transfer. Same rule applies to Renfro
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that would be true with Renfro as well. He would also have to count with this class and I had been saying he might not be on scholarship. If not he would still likely be an initial counter.
 
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Kristy* said:
The complete ESPN quote: A blueshirt is a player who arrived on campus as a "preferred" or "recruited" walk-on and goes on to earn a football scholarship. The NCAA doesn't allow for schools to produce written promises of scholarships to walk-ons, but that doesn't stop a school from telling a prospect who walks on that an offer is coming after a certain point.

The recruiting sites listed the 27 players that were part of the class of '15 as having signed their LOI. It didn't say LOI or FAA. And when players have signed FAAs, they aren't listed as having signed with the school either. So, from this, we can conclude that the 27 players signed and were part of the class of '15.

We know that Bruce and Perry are blueshirting because they have stated publicly that they are doing so. I've not heard Young make the same statements, but he turned down a local scholarship to pursue mutual interest with the vols. So, he is most likely going on scholarship as well. 3 Blueshirts.
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sure the recruiting sites listed as signed LOI but they don't have the insight to know if they signed LOI or FAA. All they know is they signed something and have to report LOI. Hubbs, rucker and the rest of them would not out the staff on players they plan to blue shirt. They have to have access on a daily basis and would certainly lose that if they reported Butch's strategy.

Several of them have and have been stating 7 blue shirts lately on their message boards..

Why is Butch telling his staff they are not taking more than 18?
 
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#108
Can everyone please stop questioning Kristy*. It's pretty obvious she has this whole thing figured out, after all, she read it on ESPN.
 
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#109
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ionaVOL said:
Can everyone please stop questioning Kristy*. It's pretty obvious she has this whole thing figured out, after all, she read it on ESPN.
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Very clever. I back up my statements with reputable sources. And I just picked one. There are many. What are your sources?
 
#110
#110
LWSVOL said:
sure the recruiting sites listed as signed LOI but they don't have the insight to know if they signed LOI or FAA. All they know is they signed something and have to report LOI. Hubbs, rucker and the rest of them would not out the staff on players they plan to blue shirt. They have to have access on a daily basis and would certainly lose that if they reported Butch's strategy.

Several of them have and have been stating 7 blue shirts lately on their message boards..

Why is Butch telling his staff they are not taking more than 18?
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It is part of the rule that if a player is going to blueshirt, he cannot sign anything. Seriously. So, if something was signed, then he would have to count towards the current class.

I've not heard CBJ say he is only taking 18. I've heard the number will likely be around there. And that will be based on what I said early. Staying under the 85 man limit. 15 seniors go plus a few leave for the league or transfer. That gets your number close to 20.
 
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LWSVOL said:
sure the recruiting sites listed as signed LOI but they don't have the insight to know if they signed LOI or FAA. All they know is they signed something and have to report LOI. Hubbs, rucker and the rest of them would not out the staff on players they plan to blue shirt. They have to have access on a daily basis and would certainly lose that if they reported Butch's strategy.

Several of them have and have been stating 7 blue shirts lately on their message boards..

Why is Butch telling his staff they are not taking more than 18?
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Can you show the link where they would have said that on their message boards? Also, if it is top secret, why would they have put it on their message boards to begin with?
 
#112
#112
ionaVOL said:
Can everyone please stop questioning Kristy*. It's pretty obvious she has this whole thing figured out, after all, she read it on ESPN.
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Scout: First, a blue-shirt has to be considered a non-recruited athlete – a prospect who can’t be recruited, make an official visit, have an in-home visit with a coach or a written scholarship offer from that school. Essentially, they are a walk-on who must pay for school. They are awarded a scholarship after their arrival which counts ahead to the next year’s class as long as that scholarship doesn’t bump the roster number above 85.

AL.com: Another practice the Vols may be using, according to the News Sentinel, is blueshirting - a practice where a player arrives as a walk-on, is awarded a scholarship sometime after his arrival, and although he may play immediately, his signing is counted in the following year's class.

Wikipedia: "Blueshirt" athletes are those that the NCAA does not classify as a "recruited student-athlete". They have never made an official visit to the school, met with the school's athletic employees or had more than one phone call with them, or received a scholarship offer. Such athletes are walk-ons, but can receive scholarships after enrolling; although they are immediately eligible to play, their scholarships count for the school's quota in the following year.
 
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#114
From what has happened since Butch took over it is not easy to correctly guess how many recruits we end up with. That makes this a nice argumentative thread. I've learned to wait until it's all over and not worry about the number. We used to have a "numbers" guy on here but he went back to Mars.
 
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OldVol49vfl said:
From what has happened since Butch took over it is not easy to correctly guess how many recruits we end up with. That makes this a nice argumentative thread. I've learned to wait until it's all over and not worry about the number. We used to have a "numbers" guy on here but he went back to Mars.
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Agree. CBJ knows what he's doing and will put together the best class possible.
 
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LWSVOL said:
that would be true with Renfro as well. He would also have to count with this class and I had been saying he might not be on scholarship. If not he would still likely be an initial counter.
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There are 2 ways they wouldn't have to be initial counters.
First, NCAA rule: (c) Graduated During Previous Academic Year and Will Exhaust Eligibility During the Following Fall Term. A student-athlete who graduated during the previous academic year (including summer) and will exhaust his or her athletics eligibility during the following fall term may be awarded athletically related financial aid for less than one academic year.
If the scholarship is less than 1-year, they're not required to count towards 25.

Second, 16.1.4.1.1 Senior Scholar-Athlete Award. An institution may provide a maximum of two senior scholar-athlete awards each year to graduating seniors. The award may consist of a tangible item valued at not more than $175 and a postgraduate scholarship not to exceed $10,000. The postgraduate scholarship shall be used for graduate studies at the recipient’s choice of institution and shall be disbursed directly to that institution. Such a scholarship only may be awarded to a student-athlete who has completed the requirements for a baccalaureate degree. A student-athlete who has received an institutional postgraduate scholarship as part of a senior scholar-athlete award shall no longer be eligible to participate in intercollegiate athletics, except that the student may complete the remainder of any season currently in progress at the time of the award
 
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#118
Kristy* would you mind summarizing your argument for those of us that have now started skipping over your posts? What exactly are you trying to argue, that we are taking 25 this class?
 
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#120
#120
ionaVOL said:
Kristy* would you mind summarizing your argument for those of us that have now started skipping over your posts? What exactly are you trying to argue, that we are taking 25 this class?
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There were not 7 blueshirts in this signing class.
 
#123
#123
VolLady was a poster who made it well known she knew nothing about recruiting until she mysteriously got hacked one night and demanded Freak close her account.

You appear to be the opposite, thus anti-VolLady.
 
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