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Haaland is a goal scoring machine, probably the best I've seen in EPL in the 10+ years, since I started following the league. Plus, he had 2 assists to Foden. I know, it's only been 8 games, but I still stand by my statement
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
In the case of Liverpool and United, not by having hundreds of millions worth of losses underwritten by sovereign wealth for a decade and a half.

However, they were massive beneficiaries of being the teams on top at the time the financial game changed forever in the early 90’s (much like Bama, Clemson and OSU were in CFB) and were basically permanently locked into the upper-most caste.

Again, I wasn’t necessarily attacking what City have done. I was genuinely curious if the club were actually turning a true profit. Even with unlimited funds, defying what does amount to a caste system is fairly impressive. It remains to be seen if Newcastle can manage to duplicate that feat.
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I hear you. You’re right about many of the “old” clubs being locked in to a monopoly of club football. City, PSG, and Chelsea broke it up and understandably, the old guard hate them. Ultimately, I generally like anything that supporters of Liverpool and United hate. I hope Newcastle mix it up even more. I hope for a top 10, not just a top 5-6.
 
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NorCalVol67 said:
I don’t like City, but they are a joy to watch.
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I respect that. People might not like the “oil money” but their investment has saved the blue side of Manchester from economic hardship, and have brought the Premier League to a style of play that the world will watch now. La Liga has now taken a back seat.
 
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YNWAvols said:
My point isn't so much with Nkunku specifically, it’s that Chelsea in my opinion need a true striker. Nkunku to me is a similar player (positionally speaking) to Pulisic, Havertz, Sterling, etc. It just seemed to me, especially in this past window, that they were throwing around money just for the sake of throwing it around and the moves seemed more like going after the hot commodity vs true fit with club.
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No one spends more than United. Look at Transfermarket website over the past 5 years. Unreal!
 
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I’m curious how soon it is before all this money starts pulling some more Champions League titles into the EPL. Pretty sure they only have like 5 since 2000. I could see them going on a small run pretty soon.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I respect that. People might not like the “oil money” but their investment has saved the blue side of Manchester from economic hardship, and have brought the Premier League to a style of play that the world will watch now. La Liga has now taken a back seat.
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No disagreement about the net positive that their investment has been for the city of Manchester.

I’m often in the minority on this opinion, but I never found much beauty in the style of those Barcelona teams that everyone loved so much. 90% of the time it was just possession for possession’s sake with no remote interest in any sort of actual end product, followed by the occasional 200 pass sequence that resulted in a tap in at the back post. Just not my cup of tea.
 
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The Dog said:
Haaland is a goal scoring machine, probably the best I've seen in EPL in the 10+ years, since I started following the league. Plus, he had 2 assists to Foden. I know, it's only been 8 games, but I still stand by my statement
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In the 97-98 and 98-99 seasons, three guys shared the Golden Boot with 18 goals. Haaland needs four goals to reach that number, and there are 30 games left to play. It’s insane.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
No disagreement about the net positive that their investment has been for the city of Manchester.

I’m often in the minority on this opinion, but I never found much beauty in the style of those Barcelona teams that everyone loved so much. 90% of the time it was just possession for possession’s sake with no remote interest in any sort of actual end product, followed by the occasional 200 pass sequence that resulted in a tap in at the back post. Just not my cup of tea.
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Agree on Barca. That’s in no way how City has played since 2018. City will give you chances to bury you. Some hurt us. Many don’t. They never change their style.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Look at their net spend to Anyone outside the big 4 of the premier league. Laughable that Liverpool still insists this. Since the year you started winning, you’ve been spending.
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I’m pretty sure Everton, Villa, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Man U are top 10 net spend in last decade. LFC not included on that list. Depending on who you consider big 4, that’s at least 2 outside.
 
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I didn’t know anything about Zinchenko when Arsenal bought him from City, figured Pep was offloading like when we got Willian from Chelsea. But I love him, he is a great player and very passionate. Him and Jesus have brought something very special, a winning mentality.
 
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I can’t express how excited I am to have Champions League action back this week. Looks like some really great matchups on the docket.
 
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YNWAvols said:
I’m pretty sure Everton, Villa, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Man U are top 10 net spend in last decade. LFC not included on that list. Depending on who you consider big 4, that’s at least 2 outside.
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Spend can be misleading as many clubs only pay so much up front, then pay more down the road. This is what Liverpool did with Nunez in order to not break the record fee for a single player. Looking at spend over sales is a better way. This is the last 5 years. How is FFP not reviewing United? Liverpool has a higher balance than City. While City have spent more, they have also sold major players such as Sane, Garcia, Torres, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc. that any team would've wanted. City doesn't unload only garbage. If a player tells them they are unhappy, they sell them. It's a policy that helps them with recruitment. On the flip side, Ajax has made almost $400 million profit in sales over the past 5 years! Looking above you can also see who has done bad business. United, West Ham, Aston Villa, Juventus and Wolves might be in big trouble.
 
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I know I asked this before, but cannot find the post. Someone advised me to wait until a certain date before purchasing tickets to either City vs Everton on 12/31/22 or City away at Chelsea the following week. Can that person confirm when the latest dates they might change the schedule are?
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
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Spend can be misleading as many clubs only pay so much up front, then pay more down the road. This is what Liverpool did with Nunez in order to not break the record fee for a single player. Looking at spend over sales is a better way. This is the last 5 years. How is FFP not reviewing United? Liverpool has a higher balance than City. While City have spent more, they have also sold major players such as Sane, Garcia, Torres, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc. that any team would've wanted. City doesn't unload only garbage. If a player tells them they are unhappy, they sell them. It's a policy that helps them with recruitment. On the flip side, Ajax has made almost $400 million profit in sales over the past 5 years! Looking above you can also see who has done bad business. United, West Ham, Aston Villa, Juventus and Wolves might be in big trouble.
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Or...you could always go with the tried and true Everton model of signing guys on free (or nearly free) transfer deals but who are also on massive wages, have them either get injured or not be PL quality, be left with no way to unload them because nobody else is stupid enough to take on their onerous contracts, eventually have that bill come due because you have no outgoing players to fund new signings and only avoid relegation by the skin of your teeth.

But to each his own.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I know I asked this before, but cannot find the post. Someone advised me to wait until a certain date before purchasing tickets to either City vs Everton on 12/31/22 or City away at Chelsea the following week. Can that person confirm when the latest dates they might change the schedule are?
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December/January fixtures are scheduled to be announced a week from today. They often run a few days beyond that, but should be sometime next week.

Premier League live TV 2022/23 fixture announcement dates
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
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Spend can be misleading as many clubs only pay so much up front, then pay more down the road. This is what Liverpool did with Nunez in order to not break the record fee for a single player. Looking at spend over sales is a better way. This is the last 5 years. How is FFP not reviewing United? Liverpool has a higher balance than City. While City have spent more, they have also sold major players such as Sane, Garcia, Torres, Jesus, Zinchenko, etc. that any team would've wanted. City doesn't unload only garbage. If a player tells them they are unhappy, they sell them. It's a policy that helps them with recruitment. On the flip side, Ajax has made almost $400 million profit in sales over the past 5 years! Looking above you can also see who has done bad business. United, West Ham, Aston Villa, Juventus and Wolves might be in big trouble.
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I understand how they only pay so much up front but I’ve only really seen this with players over 60M give or take. And from what I’ve see, clubs usually want a majority of it up front. To say that LFC have a higher balance than City just seems laughable at face value. Hell they can’t even fill their stadium consistently and that’s even while City sits at the top. Those departures you listed are all very recent too. It’s not like City have been doing that for the past 5-10 years. Not sure where you pulled the above or how it is explicitly calculating its numbers but I have not read any articles that put City that low on net spend.
 
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