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These last few weeks have seen some pretty impressive teams do things. Villa doing what it does, Everton going on a run, and Fulham putting up like 8 goals a game lately. Hope the madness continues.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
All of our answers are waiting in the transfer market. Wait.. I’ve seen this movie before.

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There’s no way Poch actually believes this nonsense.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Why do you say that? He is now coming up on eight months with the squad and now he knows who he wants and who he doesn’t. Who fits his system and who doesn’t. Most coaches make major changes to their teams between year one and year two.
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Because they’ve spent a billion dollars in the transfer market lol. I’m not sure how they can buy anyone else of impact.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
You questioned Poch directly. I didn’t think his comments were off.
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I questioned him saying they needed transfers after the club has already spent a billion dollars on that very thing.

It’s his job to get results from the team they’ve built. It’s why he was brought in (I’ve never thought he was a fit anyway). They’re young and have all the talent in the world. The results need to follow or he’s gone. He knew what job he was accepting.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Because they’ve spent a billion dollars in the transfer market lol. I’m not sure how they can buy anyone else of impact.
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I see it now. When you filter expenses on transfers minus profit of player sales over the past five years, Chelsea is easily first. An argument could be made that Chelsea, United, and PSG have been worst with their spending. Also of note it shouldn’t be a secret why Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Liverpool, and City have performed well. They invest and spend well for the most part.
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I see it now. When you filter expenses on transfers minus profit of player sales over the past five years, Chelsea is easily first. An argument could be made that Chelsea, United, and PSG have been worst with their spending. Also of note it shouldn’t be a secret why Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Liverpool, and City have performed well. They invest and spend well for the most part.
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The Everton board and DOF would like to thank you for not noticing what they’ve been up to.

We’ve reigned it in the past couple years out of necessity, but for a while we spent like a top 6 side and somehow still fielded a team that only by a borderline miracle isn’t playing in The Championship right now.
 
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Through_The_T said:
There’s no way Poch actually believes this nonsense.
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I mean, I’m sure he does. We’ve spent a ton of money but the problem is these co-sporting directors have made some grave mistakes. #1 on the list should be having a rule for last summer that they didn’t want to buy anyone over 25 years old.

Fact is, this team is sorely lacking in the leadership department. There is plenty of talent on the roster to be better off than where we are but this squad is charmin soft and has no one stepping up to lead the team. They are all young and inexperienced and the few guys we do have that have PL experience like Sterling, Silva, Reece, etc are all either hurt or not vocal leaders to start with. Problem is I don’t think any player coming in January in the middle of a season is having any sort of large leadership impact so I don’t want to see them spend much. Just let this team continue to grow and struggle. There’s no magic pill besides letting them take their lumps with this team right now.

This is what I think that comment was aimed at though.. the youth issue. He’s now had time with the squad to evaluate and he probably knows exactly what he needs. I also think this comment could just be a warning shot to certain players that they are replaceable if they don’t step up. Who knows.
 
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Through_The_T said:
I questioned him saying they needed transfers after the club has already spent a billion dollars on that very thing.

It’s his job to get results from the team they’ve built. It’s why he was brought in (I’ve never thought he was a fit anyway). They’re young and have all the talent in the world. The results need to follow or he’s gone. He knew what job he was accepting.
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If he isn’t given the time needed then just go and save your quote and be ready to paste the exact same message next season with whatever new coach they’d bring in.. because we’d just be repeating the cycle. There has been enough growth at times to show what Poch is trying to do and the potential of the squad but the players have to execute. This team is soft and they have no player leadership to push them. Managers need leaders to help deliver the message and help keep everyone accountable. Can’t do it alone. Poch probably does feel like he is alone on this at the moment though, and that’s not a good recipe for success.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I see it now. When you filter expenses on transfers minus profit of player sales over the past five years, Chelsea is easily first. An argument could be made that Chelsea, United, and PSG have been worst with their spending. Also of note it shouldn’t be a secret why Arsenal, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Liverpool, and City have performed well. They invest and spend well for the most part.
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That argument depends on if you are looking at just the past 2 years or longer. Leading up to when Boehly bought the club in 2021/2022, Chelsea was 8th worst in expenditure/income balance. City was the worst, United was 2nd worst, PSG 3rd worst. When you include the last 2 years with Boehlys spending then yeah, we shoot up the list to the worst balance. Not sure you can say it’s bad spending yet though. It’s sure looking that way the way things look but if these players go on and win a PL or CL in the next 3-5 years then I don’t think I’d consider it that terrible. Could always be better and more efficient but winning trophies is the goal overall.

Successful spending vs non-successful spending is an interesting topic though. Up until 2021/2022, City had the worst expenditure/income balance in football.. but they also won the PL 7 times, won a CL trophy and won multiple domestic cups. I’d say that’s successful spending. Chelsea was 8th worst in expenditure/income balance but in that same period of time, but they won the PL twice, CL twice, Europa League twice, multiple domestic cups. I’d say that’s successful spending. So, all depends on how you view what is successful spending or not I guess.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
If he isn’t given the time needed then just go and save your quote and be ready to paste the exact same message next season with whatever new coach they’d bring in.. because we’d just be repeating the cycle. There has been enough growth at times to show what Poch is trying to do and the potential of the squad but the players have to execute. This team is soft and they have no player leadership to push them. Managers need leaders to help deliver the message and help keep everyone accountable. Can’t do it alone. Poch probably does feel like he is alone on this at the moment though, and that’s not a good recipe for success.
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I will agree with you somewhat in that Boehly seems to like to meddle as an owner (boy am I familiar with this scenario thanks to my favorite NFL team).

However unless Poch is simply a figurehead, it is up to him to build a dressing room culture and to foster leadership growth and have players meet their potential. I've never thought of him as this type of manager though, so it puzzles me as to why he was brought over in the first place. 12th place in the table in December is unacceptable at a club with the resources of Chelsea, and him saying more additions may be necessary in the transfer window after an absolute massive spend over the last twelve months seems like he is passing the blame.

That's where my comments mostly centered from.
 
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Through_The_T said:
I will agree with you somewhat in that Boehly seems to like to meddle as an owner (boy am I familiar with this scenario thanks to my favorite NFL team).

However unless Poch is simply a figurehead, it is up to him to build a dressing room culture and to foster leadership growth and have players meet their potential. I've never thought of him as this type of manager though, so it puzzles me as to why he was brought over in the first place. 12th place in the table in December is unacceptable at a club with the resources of Chelsea, and him saying more additions may be necessary in the transfer window after an absolute massive spend over the last twelve months seems like he is passing the blame.

That's where my comments mostly centered from.
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Boehly was very active in the initial buy and setting up the club structure. During that process he had to do more transfer business then he wanted to as well because they let Marina go. Didn’t really have a choice in that one as she was Romans right hand woman. Boehly’s been more hands off as of late, time will tell on that one. I don’t think he’s a terrible owner but their approach to squad development and getting the squad younger was naive. Top clubs in the PL with CL ambitions can’t be relying on young teams unless you give them the time and patience like Arsenal did with their squad and Arteta. Otherwise, you better have a good mix of experience and too young talent.

As for Poch, I think leadership and harvesting a strong culture is the hardest job of any coach in any sport. It’s even harder when there isn’t an established veteran core. This squad has a minimal core and that hasn’t helped. The injuries haven’t helped either, midfield looks run down especially, but it’s the PL.. every team is having injury issues. Can’t be an excuse. I do think Poch just needs time. I’ve seen progress it’s just sporadic.

Still doesn’t explain 12th though and Poch will have to answer the hard questions of why but I do personally put more blame on the recruitment team than Poch currently. We needed to get more experienced players and not buy as many of the investment pieces. They underestimated taking a young team through the PL where the league is at its most competitive state ever. Just my opinion on it all.
 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
That argument depends on if you are looking at just the past 2 years or longer. Leading up to when Boehly bought the club in 2021/2022, Chelsea was 8th worst in expenditure/income balance. City was the worst, United was 2nd worst, PSG 3rd worst. When you include the last 2 years with Boehlys spending then yeah, we shoot up the list to the worst balance. Not sure you can say it’s bad spending yet though. It’s sure looking that way the way things look but if these players go on and win a PL or CL in the next 3-5 years then I don’t think I’d consider it that terrible. Could always be better and more efficient but winning trophies is the goal overall.

Successful spending vs non-successful spending is an interesting topic though. Up until 2021/2022, City had the worst expenditure/income balance in football.. but they also won the PL 7 times, won a CL trophy and won multiple domestic cups. I’d say that’s successful spending. Chelsea was 8th worst in expenditure/income balance but in that same period of time, but they won the PL twice, CL twice, Europa League twice, multiple domestic cups. I’d say that’s successful spending. So, all depends on how you view what is successful spending or not I guess.
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United was the worst (examining 5 year windows) two years ago. You all would’ve been but you were banned for making transfers for a while and that stopped that.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
United was the worst (examining 5 year windows) two years ago. You all would’ve been but you were banned for making transfers for a while and that stopped that.
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Yup. Spent almost 300M the next eligible window to make up for it. That was the window that we bought Timo and Kai. Key players for the CL run in 2021.
 
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Welp. I messed up. Completely forgot about fantasy for the last two weeks but somehow Son and Salah kept me in it this week.
 
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YankeeVol said:
www.espn.com

PL clubs agree to limit transfer fee amortisation

Premier League shareholders have voted to limit the period over which a player's transfer fee can be spread in their accounts to a maximum of five years.
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Pretty poor article from ESPN to be honest, in the sense that it’s flat out inaccurate.

In theory, clubs are still free to sign players to as long of a contract as they like, they just won’t be able to amortize the transfer fee across more than five seasons. However, in practice, we may stop seeing clubs hand out these absurdly long contracts like Chelsea have been doing because the only reason for doing so was to spread the initial fee out as much as possible.
 
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Through_The_T said:
I guess I underestimated Man United's reach still. Because that chart surprised the heck out of me.
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Agreed. I’m sure it’s a dwindling fan base. One indication they don’t have the pull that they used to, none of us are United fans in this thread.
 
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