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Charlie Kelly said:


Didnā€™t know if anyone had seen this yet. Glad to see the club seem committed to preventing this from happening.
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Yup. I think all of the top clubs in PL put out the same type of statement too. I know at least Spurs, Chelsea, and United did. Assume Arsenal, City, Liverpool and others did too. So glad to see that they are all agreeing on this.

I liked PSG presidents response the most though after Real Madrid president announced the Super League format:

 
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Nash_Vol97 said:
Yup. I think all of the top clubs in PL put out the same type of statement too. I know at least Spurs, Chelsea, and United did. Assume Arsenal, City, Liverpool and others did too. So glad to see that they are all agreeing on this.

I liked PSG presidents response the most though after Real Madrid president announced the Super League format:

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That is a good point by PSGā€™s president. Why would Real want anything to change when theyā€™ve essentially dominated the current ā€œmost prestigious trophy in the worldā€ competition since its inception?

Iā€™m glad the English clubs are standing united on this. English football is currently the epicenter of the sport. As long as they stay out, I donā€™t think it will happen.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
That is a good point by PSGā€™s president. Why would Real want anything to change when theyā€™ve essentially dominated the current ā€œmost prestigious trophy in the worldā€ competition since its inception?

Iā€™m glad the English clubs are standing united on this. English football is currently the epicenter of the sport. As long as they stay out, I donā€™t think it will happen.
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Money?

The Super League was supposedly going to have these giant payouts to the teams in it, more than UCL payouts are, but of course that is all predicated upon people actually watching it. The reaction to it was so negative it appeared like that might not happen, so it was axed.
 
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05_never_again said:
Money?

The Super League was supposedly going to have these giant payouts to the teams in it, more than UCL payouts are, but of course that is all predicated upon people actually watching it. The reaction to it was so negative it appeared like that might not happen, so it was axed.
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Money is exactly right. But the English teams have most of that right now which is why the Spanish and Italian clubs are more desperate for this to happen. I was just commenting on the irony of Real trying to make more money by blowing up their own spot.

Fans hate it because it could potentially lead to a chain reaction destroying the relegation system and the ability to rise up from lower leagues and build yourself into a large club. Yes, the big clubs win the big trophies most of the time but the fact that small market clubs can play their way into big tournaments with smart market decisions, a good scouting department and solid leadership that understands the game is a very appealing part of the sport.

There are arguably more upsets in soccer than any other sport. Determined teams who hustle and stay organized are hard to score against, which makes for a lot of close score lines even when one team dominates possession. A tournament like the Champions League allows smaller clubs from smaller leagues a chance to compete against the best in the world on a yearly basis. All you have to do is win your domestic league the previous season (or maybe just finish second or third) and you have a chance. Occasionally, odd things happen. Yeah, the Realā€™s and Bayernā€™s and Barcelonaā€™s of the world have won their fair share; but look at all the unlikely winners of the Champions League over the years: Nottingham Forest, Porto, Benfica, Ajax, Celtic, Feyenoord, Aston Villa, Hamburger SV, PSV Eindhoven, Red Star Belgrade, Marseille, and some club named Steaua Bucuresti in 1986. That wouldnā€™t happen anymore in a Super League with 20 permanent members. Thus the fan revolt.

It kind of destroys the spirit of the sport. The game is beautiful because of its simplicity both in structure and necessary equipment which gives rise to a seemingly infinite amount of complexity in tactics and execution. It belongs to everyone because itā€™s game we can all play as long as weā€™re still fortunate enough to use what weā€™ve been given. All you need is a ball.

Sorry for the rant but I do see it as sort of ā€œthe peopleā€™s gameā€. Constraining who is allowed to play in the biggest competitions by permanently fixing the field is anti-soccer, in my opinion. I think that was the main source of the fan revolt.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
Money is exactly right. But the English teams have most of that right now which is why the Spanish and Italian clubs are more desperate for this to happen. I was just commenting on the irony of Real trying to make more money by blowing up their own spot.

Fans hate it because it could potentially lead to a chain reaction destroying the relegation system and the ability to rise up from lower leagues and build yourself into a large club. Yes, the big clubs win the big trophies most of the time but the fact that small market clubs can play their way into big tournaments with smart market decisions, a good scouting department and solid leadership that understands the game is a very appealing part of the sport.

There are arguably more upsets in soccer than any other sport. Determined teams who hustle and stay organized are hard to score against, which makes for a lot of close score lines even when one team dominates possession. A tournament like the Champions League allows smaller clubs from smaller leagues a chance to compete against the best in the world on a yearly basis. All you have to do is win your domestic league the previous season (or maybe just finish second or third) and you have a chance. Occasionally, odd things happen. Yeah, the Realā€™s and Bayernā€™s and Barcelonaā€™s of the world have won their fair share; but look at all the unlikely winners of the Champions League over the years: Nottingham Forest, Porto, Benfica, Ajax, Celtic, Feyenoord, Aston Villa, Hamburger SV, PSV Eindhoven, Red Star Belgrade, Marseille, and some club named Steaua Bucuresti in 1986. That wouldnā€™t happen anymore in a Super League with 20 permanent members. Thus the fan revolt.

It kind of destroys the spirit of the sport. The game is beautiful because of its simplicity both in structure and necessary equipment which gives rise to a seemingly infinite amount of complexity in tactics and execution. It belongs to everyone because itā€™s game we can all play as long as weā€™re still fortunate enough to use what weā€™ve been given. All you need is a ball.

Sorry for the rant but I do see it as sort of ā€œthe peopleā€™s gameā€. Constraining who is allowed to play in the biggest competitions by permanently fixing the field is anti-soccer, in my opinion. I think that was the main source of the fan revolt.
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It was definitely an American idea as well, very similar to our professional sports leagues. It isn't a coincidence that 3 of the 5 clubs who spearheaded the idea were owned by Americans.
 
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05_never_again said:
It was definitely an American idea as well, very similar to our professional sports leagues. It isn't a coincidence that 3 of the 5 clubs who spearheaded the idea were owned by Americans.
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United, Arsenal and Liverpool owners, all American, were the three. The idea goes back way further than them though. Florentino Perez, Real Madrid owner, has been trying to get a variation of the Super League started since the mid 90s. Juventus owner was also heavily involved in past and current planning. COVID revived those ideas and plans and then enter the American owners who then brought in JPMorgan as the financing.
 
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While Iā€™m also glad to see the English clubs coming out and denouncing the Super League this time around, I canā€™t help but feel like their statements are completely disingenuous. They all showed us where their heart was at a year and a half ago. The only reason the SL isnā€™t happening is because the fans (and now to some extent, the UK government) held a gun to their head and told them no.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
While Iā€™m also glad to see the English clubs coming out and denouncing the Super League this time around, I canā€™t help but feel like their statements are completely disingenuous. They all showed us where their heart was at a year and a half ago. The only reason the SL isnā€™t happening is because the fans (and now to some extent, the UK government) held a gun to their head and told them no.
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This 100%. Never forget that just last year the Premier League big 6 joined the Super League. Each and every one of them would destroy the football pyramid and the essence of the sport if it meant a bigger payday.
 
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Not sure how many of you follow MLS, but they recently announced they were pulling out of the Open Cup. The only competition that MLS doesnā€™t control and pits them against USL teams like Knoxville, Chatt, etc. Luckily USSF told them they canā€™t do that, but I guarantee you that got some thoughts going across the pond as it perfectly aligned with the timing of the UEFA ruling.
 
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NorCalVol67 said:
Has Bruno Fernandes ever committed a foul.
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Had a Freshman on my squad last year that reminded me so much of Bruno. If he was on your squad you loved him, but if you were playing him you would want to go in spikes up every time on a tackle.
 
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