President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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VOLS INC. said:
We will see where he really lands on policy and governance. Not doubting him. I’m certainly not a hater. I do want to see more.

BUT what I like about him is what I like about Vivek, Byron Donalds. etc. These guys are young, articulate and they have a sack. Paul Rino and Mitt Romney were articulate but Hillary had bigger balls they did. I’m excited about the future of our party.
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Do you mean one sack between all of them? They all stoop to kiss the, er, ring so it's not much of a sack.
 
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utvolpj said:
I have a sound opinion on tariffs. They punish and especially when there's currently no cheaper/equal, domestic alternative. They will be inflationary
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To some it will hurt. For others it won’t. The decisions those make that it does hurt will determine whether it ended up being worth it.
 
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The man tapped by Donald Trump to enact his clampdown on rampant illegal immigration in the U.S. said Monday he is ready for Democrats decrying the get-tough action, declaring: 'I don’t care what people think of me.'

Tom Homan, Trump's newly-picked 'border czar,' said he will make it a priority to 'secure the border and do this deportation operation.'

'I think the calling is clear,' Homan said on Fox & Friends. 'I've got to go back and help.'


'I'm pissed off with what [the Biden] administration did to the most secure border in my lifetime, so I'm going to go back and do what I can to fix it,' he added.

Homan, who has been credited with implementing child separation policies, is a key part of Trump's plan and will carry out his hawkish border policies.

'I've been clear, President Trump's been clear. Public safety threats and national security threats will be the priority because they have to be – they pose [the] most danger in this country,' Homan said.

'So we're going to prioritize those groups.'

The position does not require Senate confirmation and would make him part of the White House staff.

'I was a Border Patrol agent, I wore that uniform, and I'm proud that I wore that uniform. I was an ICE agent. I was the first ICE director that came up through the ranks, so the 20,000 men and women that worked for me, I didn't ask them to do anything I wouldn't do myself, because I was one of them.'

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Tom Homan speaks with Border Patrol agents near the southern border wall in San Ysidro, California on May 7, 2018


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14068905/Trump-border-czar-Tom-Homan-defends-mass-deportations.html

















 
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EasternVol said:
That's assuming the tariffed products are bought. That's the point of tariffs innit?; to make competing products more attractive.
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The problem is, the competing products are more expensive.

Take for example the Trump USA Bibles, made in China. Presumably for example, tariffs would also apply to them (though one wonders if they will somehow end up on an exemption list.) To buy a Bible, you either pay the now-higher cost of the Trump USA Bible (made in China) or a more expensive one, made here. Either way, you are paying more.

We call this "inflation."

Now, the good news may be on the Trump Swiss watches. I emphasize "may" because they are not made in Switzerland and as far as anyone knows they are made in Wyoming. So no tariff on those "Swiss" watches. There is some speculation they are made in China, however, so again, unless Trump products find their way onto an exemption list, they might spike in price by up to another $20,000, since the high ends ones are $100,00 right now.

I mean, for the discerning gentleman or lady, of course.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem is, the competing products are more expensive.

Take for example the Trump USA Bibles, made in China. Presumably for example, tariffs would also apply to them (though one wonders if they will somehow end up on an exemption list.) To buy a Bible, you either pay the now-higher cost of the Trump USA Bible (made in China) or a more expensive one, made here. Either way, you are paying more.

We call this "inflation."

Now, the good news may be on the Trump Swiss watches. I emphasize "may" because they are not made in Switzerland and as far as anyone knows they are made in Wyoming. So no tariff on those "Swiss" watches. There is some speculation they are made in China, however, so again, unless Trump products find their way onto an exemption list, they might spike in price by up to another $20,000, since the high ends ones are $100,00 right now.

I mean, for the discerning gentleman or lady, of course.
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I commend you on how well you are coping with disappointment.
 
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C-south said:
To some it will hurt. For others it won’t. The decisions those make that it does hurt will determine whether it ended up being worth it.
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Benefits of tariffs that gets overlooked include addressing intellectual property violations which definitely impacts US firms and leveling an economic global playing field. Access to other global markets other than the US are harder and more expensive for US companies.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I commend you on how well you are coping with disappointment.
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Now see, I am severely misunderstood on this point.

My reactions are as follows, in no particular order:

1) Short term, this will benefit me personally.
2) I'm not the least bit surprised Trump won. I'm only mildly surprised at the electoral margin.
3) I am rooting for Trump to succeed. I don't think he will, but there is no benefit to me and only downside if he fails. So, in the end, I hope I am proven wrong.
4) It astounds me that such an obvious con man can keep dodging accountability the way he does.
5) I sense enormous hypocrisy from the right, claiming to be for a strong national defense and claiming to be the party of morality. Trump is not just off the mark when it comes to the party of Reagan; he is in many ways its exact opposite.
 
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CobbVol said:
Benefits of tariffs that gets overlooked include addressing intellectual property violations which definitely impacts US firms and leveling an economic global playing field. Access to other global markets other than the US are harder and more expensive for US companies.
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And imposing tariffs gives us access to more markets exactly how?
 
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lawgator1 said:
And imposing tariffs gives us access to more markets exactly how?
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The purpose of any future tariffs is not to restrict/increase cost of imports into the US. That is a short-term impact for sure, but the objective is to open up markets to US manufacturing that are not allowed to compete due to unfair tariffs in other countries. US tariffs could be applied and once an agreement of free markets are in place the tariffs come down.

Just like it did here:

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Joint Statement of the United States and the European Union on a Tariff Agreement

United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and European Union Trade Commissioner Phil Hogan today announced agreement on a package of tariff reductions that will increase market access for h
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CobbVol said:
The purpose of any future tariffs is not to restrict/increase cost of imports into the US. That is a short-term impact for sure, but the objective is to open up markets to US manufacturing that are not allowed to compete due to unfair tariffs in other countries. US tariffs could be applied and once an agreement of free markets are in place the tariffs come down.

Just like it did here:

ec.europa.eu

Joint Statement of the United States and the European Union on a Tariff Agreement

United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and European Union Trade Commissioner Phil Hogan today announced agreement on a package of tariff reductions that will increase market access for h
ec.europa.eu ec.europa.eu
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The premise of your claim is that when we institute tariffs the other countries agree to lower theirs to get us to return back to earlier levels of tariffs. You quote one example, on a specific line of tariffs, and claim it will repeat on these across-the-board 10 to 20 % tariffs on everything.

I hope you are right. I am reasonably certain you are wrong. Very wrong. And that instead such non-selective new tariffs will only work to spur a trade war, which is what usually happens.
 
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CobbVol said:
The purpose of any future tariffs is not to restrict/increase cost of imports into the US. That is a short-term impact for sure, but the objective is to open up markets to US manufacturing that are not allowed to compete due to unfair tariffs in other countries. US tariffs could be applied and once an agreement of free markets are in place the tariffs come down.

Just like it did here:

ec.europa.eu

Joint Statement of the United States and the European Union on a Tariff Agreement

United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and European Union Trade Commissioner Phil Hogan today announced agreement on a package of tariff reductions that will increase market access for h
ec.europa.eu ec.europa.eu
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People that bitch about tariffs because they impede a "free market" want the US to hold "free market" standards while everyone else beats the **** out of us.

Context matters. Wielding our influence matters. We should be working to incentivize other countries to open up, not take it up the ass ourselves on some deluded "principle" that actual free markets exist.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Now see, I am severely misunderstood on this point.

My reactions are as follows, in no particular order:

1) Short term, this will benefit me personally.
2) I'm not the least bit surprised Trump won. I'm only mildly surprised at the electoral margin.
3) I am rooting for Trump to succeed. I don't think he will, but there is no benefit to me and only downside if he fails. So, in the end, I hope I am proven wrong.
4) It astounds me that such an obvious con man can keep dodging accountability the way he does.
5) I sense enormous hypocrisy from the right, claiming to be for a strong national defense and claiming to be the party of morality. Trump is not just off the mark when it comes to the party of Reagan; he is in many ways its exact opposite.
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Fair enough, but I am not sure you are misunderstood. My point is that all the commercial hack stuff - the Bible, the watches, the general hucksterism of Trump - the electorate as a whole did not care. Why? I don't know. My theory is that we know they are ALL grifters (how else does Obama, AOC, and virtually every politician become a multi-millionaire on public servant salaries?), so why not at least accept the one who will grift straight to our faces.

Let us judge Trump, and his R majorities on what they do from here on out. The electorate spoke on pre-Nov 5. They still liked Trump enough to vote for him again.

Now, as to your points as we move forward:

1. Trump's win has already benefitted me personally.
2. I am totally surprised Trump won. I was stunned at the margin, which was mainly because of the 10 million "missing" D votes from 2020.
3. We share a desire for Trump's success. I am curious, however, as to how you would measure "success."
4. Trump seems to be held accountable for a lot of stuff other politicians are not. I haven't seen a lot of other politicians dragged into a courtroom, and I am sure there are more that deserve it. There is also the distinct possibility his "lack of accountability" is because he is not quite as bad a guy as he is made out to be. (Full disclosure: This would be a stunner for me, too, as I have never been a fan of Trump-world; but at this point I have to at least open to the possibility.)
5. Politics and hypocrisy are the double helix of our democracy. No surprise there on either side. However, I don't think Trump is against strong national defense, though I do think the two parties' priorities for what constitutes a strong national defense are absolutely different. As far as morality??? I can not think of a single person I know who voted for Trump because of his (personal) morality. However, if morality had been the basis for deciding on whom to vote for, I don't see how Harris would have received *more* votes.

Finally, this side of you, where you actually have a substantive post and provide others opportunity for meaningful debate, is far more engaging than the petty sniping at Trump. I hope you do more of it; you actually are good at it.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
1. Trump's win has already benefitted me personally.
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Well, in the sense that the markets view him favorably and are up, me too. As a small business owner, I anticipate some tax relief, too.

Ritzwatch said:
2. I am totally surprised Trump won. I was stunned at the margin, which was mainly because of the 10 million "missing" D votes from 2020.
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The popular vote was close, as usual. A 2.4 % difference. Electoral was so impressive given that he won all of the swing states.


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3. We share a desire for Trump's success. I am curious, however, as to how you would measure "success."
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Continued economic prosperity. Maintain promised SS and Medicare benefits. Reduce the deficit and the debt.

Would love it if he can settle the situation in Ukraine without forcing them to give away the store, but am skeptical.

Would like to see him be more supportive of NATO. Again, a tough sell. I

I don't think he can do much in the ME. That situation boils over every few years and there is no end in sight.


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4. Trump seems to be held accountable for a lot of stuff other politicians are not. I haven't seen a lot of other politicians dragged into a courtroom, and I am sure there are more that deserve it. There is also the distinct possibility his "lack of accountability" is because he is not quite as bad a guy as he is made out to be. (Full disclosure: This would be a stunner for me, too, as I have never been a fan of Trump-world; but at this point I have to at least open to the possibility.)
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I cannot agree to ignore 1/6 and his role in that, the fake electors, etc. That is just way too far for me to simply forgive.

I still have a lot of questions about the documents case. I cannot understand why he was so hell bent on keeping those documents and, when his hand was forced, tried to obfuscate his own role in it. It hints at something bad, but who knows. Point is, it just made no sense for him to do what he did on that.

Ritzwatch said:
5. Politics and hypocrisy are the double helix of our democracy. No surprise there on either side. However, I don't think Trump is against strong national defense, though I do think the two parties' priorities for what constitutes a strong national defense are absolutely different. As far as morality??? I can not think of a single person I know who voted for Trump because of his (personal) morality. However, if morality had been the basis for deciding on whom to vote for, I don't see how Harris would have received *more* votes.
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Fair enough, but its not the lack of morality I am talking about, its the hypocrisy. Particularly form the religious right, the Christians that just seem to completely put on blinders at his many, many, transgressions.


Ritzwatch said:
Finally, this side of you, where you actually have a substantive post and provide others opportunity for meaningful debate, is far more engaging than the petty sniping at Trump. I hope you do more of it; you actually are good at it.
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Yeah, and I appreciate that, but the sniping is fun because in Trump's case its just so damn easy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, in the sense that the markets view him favorably and are up, me too. As a small business owner, I anticipate some tax relief, too.



The popular vote was close, as usual. A 2.4 % difference. Electoral was so impressive given that he won all of the swing states.




Continued economic prosperity. Maintain promised SS and Medicare benefits. Reduce the deficit and the debt.

Would love it if he can settle the situation in Ukraine without forcing them to give away the store, but am skeptical.

Would like to see him be more supportive of NATO. Again, a tough sell. I

I don't think he can do much in the ME. That situation boils over every few years and there is no end in sight.




I cannot agree to ignore 1/6 and his role in that, the fake electors, etc. That is just way too far for me to simply forgive.

I still have a lot of questions about the documents case. I cannot understand why he was so hell bent on keeping those documents and, when his hand was forced, tried to obfuscate his own role in it. It hints at something bad, but who knows. Point is, it just made no sense for him to do what he did on that.



Fair enough, but its not the lack of morality I am talking about, its the hypocrisy. Particularly form the religious right, the Christians that just seem to completely put on blinders at his many, many, transgressions.




Yeah, and I appreciate that, but the sniping is fun because in Trump's case its just so damn easy.
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I would love to see reduced deficit and debt, but think that is a huge hole to climb out of when our interest on debt is a Ukrainian support payment shy of $1 trillion. I don't know that it is possible to slow that train at this point. I don't know what impact that kind of growth would have on the rest of the economy even if we could.

NATO, I am cool with strengthening that relationship, but I don't mind NATO having to pay more of our costs for being their security deterrence, our military budget has supported their social safety net for decades. It is time for us to have them pay for our guns so we can do what we need to do (like keep SS and Medicare solvent)

ME, I agree that it will blow up, time and time again, for the rest of history. Trump was fortunate enough to have relative peace the first time around. I hope he gets it there again. At least for a while.

Totally understand you on 1/6 and wouldn't ask you to forget that. Trump was a jackass and let his ego and pettiness get in the way of putting out a public statement earlier that day for people to back off. It wouldn't have mattered, there were too many people bum rushing the capitol to stop, but he at least would have had some high ground in the aftermath.

The documents case? I am still undecided. Just with the way it all played out, if there was something really damning there, I think it would have been released by now. The DOJ sure isn't covering for trump. I tend to think these docs were ego-related, and not really "national security" related, but again, I don't know. I am pretty "meh" on the documents as it seems lots of politicians do this (Biden's garage, Hillary's emails, etc) I think the .gov is lousy at protecting their property from the outgoing officials who think it is their property. That seems to require systematic structural reform, not just personal accountability.

Hypocrisy? I am not sure what a Christian is supposed to do. The only way to not be a hypocrite is to not vote for any of the flawed human beings who are our candidates. And that failure to vote, in its own way, can be a form of hypocrisy.

And yeah, keep sniping. The orange jackass will continue to give opportunity after opportunity. Just don't forget to be thoughtful from time to time. It is what distinguishes you from the China-bot lawyer who has seemed to disappear from the board.

BTW, "Small business owner," assuming that is law, does your practice have a particular emphasis? And in what general area of FL (I assume) are you located?
 
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