President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

How much is a CBG? Maybe $30B? Just for one you could buy 60 B-21s..
I don't mind the MQ-25. I just object to the $20B price tag, a limited value of few extra miles range. It may support a couple of planes for a 1K mile radius strike, but what will there be maybe 4 per carrier? For $20B, give me 40 B-21s.
CBGs also tie up escorts and diminishes disbursement of assets.
Don’t temp me with a defense dollars allocation exercise - but $30B sounds high.

B-21 is a phenomenal Strike platform. But it cannot Control an area - it strikes, then leaves.

MQ-25. That “program”, the cost. It’s about more than sling-shotting F-18 forward.
It’s the first generation of carrier launched drone - they’re eventually gonna load Stingray out with more than just fuel…
 
Don’t temp me with a defense dollars allocation exercise - but $30B sounds high.

B-21 is a phenomenal Strike platform. But it cannot Control an area - it strikes, then leaves.

MQ-25. That “program”, the cost. It’s about more than sling-shotting F-18 forward.
It’s the first generation of carrier launched drone - they’re eventually gonna load Stingray out with more than just fuel…
Maybe too high but not much imo, then throw in tens of thousands personnel, maintenance, 70 plus aircraft at say 60M each.

13B Ford
6B x (2) AB
3B CG
Underway replenishment ships Unknown

A great many of the carrier aircraft have to be used for CAP just for defense of the CAG. I see no need to control blue ocean airspace when there would be nothing to protect.
Now I am not saying no carriers..maybe 8.

The strike version of Stingray will add tens of billions more. Just keep the S-3 tanker version. Already there, cheap, easy to maintain...If you really want to doing it correctly, develop at least a 1000K mile radius strike plane or drone.
 
Don’t temp me with a defense dollars allocation exercise - but $30B sounds high.

B-21 is a phenomenal Strike platform. But it cannot Control an area - it strikes, then leaves.

MQ-25. That “program”, the cost. It’s about more than sling-shotting F-18 forward.
It’s the first generation of carrier launched drone - they’re eventually gonna load Stingray out with more than just fuel…
I'm all for advanced weaponry, but I will always be partial to a B-52. One of our great moves was to keep it and continue to enhance it
 
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I'm all for advanced weaponry, but I will always be partial to a B-52. One of our great moves was to keep it and continue to enhance it

they don't build them like that anymore, well really anything
when you look at the massive airframe loads and stresses, one would think they would literally be falling apart
how far has Boeing fell?
 
Depends on whether you believe Putin and the Russians have worked to interfere in our elections, social media, etc. I believe that to be the case and so am naturally concerned when Trump, who without question benefited from such interference at various points, acts to thwart efforts to detect and combat it. Anyone with common sense would have that concern.

If you believe that Putin and the Russians did not interfere, then you presumably would not have the same concerns. I can't debate or discuss it with you if you take that position, which I believe to be fundamentally at odds with objective evidence that they DID interfere.

But, having said that, I think the ultimate issue is the DEGREE to which that interference occurred. There is no way to quantify that, but in my view if we can't be certain of that now, then the absolute LAST thing we should be doing is reducing our ability to detect it moving forward.
Now, these are valid points.

I believe the Russians have interfered in our elections since the 1920s. I absolutely believe Putin has, is, and will continue to work to interfere with anything that is good for US that is not, in some way, also good for him. Of course he did, does, and will. Of course he will continue to do so.

My point, which I concede was made sarcastically, is that he is continuing to do so by feeding into the type and extent of propaganda that the anti-Trumpers are more than willing to latch on to at this point in time. As much as I dislike some of what Trump is doing, I am also totally in favor of other aspects of his agenda. Example?: I love the rooting out of tax money waste, while despising the severe damage done simultaneously to legitimate programs. I wish there were another way to do this, but if there is, I don't know it. To me, the long term viability of the Republic is worth the short term costs. I believe Putin is exploiting this by sowing seeds of disruption where he can slow Trump's progress. I also think the Chinese and the Iranians, and others, even some we call Allies, are probably involved in trying to limit our success as well. The world loves American success, but only to the point that it also benefits them.

Put another way, my common sense concern is that those who are so vitriolically anti-Trump as yourself do not see where you are being a tool for Putin's current disruptions. You don't just call out Trump's crap, you attack at every turn. Best case scenario, you just like being a virtuous Anti-Trump message board crusader; worst case, you yourself are a Putin-stooge spreading mis-information and dis-information as broadly as you can here on VN.
 
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I some how got on the algorithm for YouTube for appliances..you know the average lifespan of a new typical Lowes washer or refrigerator? like 5-8 years..now that is pathetic. My first washer was a hand me down and already like 25 years old and still ran when I got new one years later. Can't have all these brands and mfg companies pumping out millions without such poor quality. We have all seen it in. just about everything. Cars hit a peak and are becoming crap again.
 
My concern is that I would not think we know everything. Our knowledge of what information exists on the Russian side about their efforts to interfere is presumably somewhat limited.

And, while I'm admittedly speculating, I would think that our own intelligence agencies would hold that imformation very, very, very tightly due to the value of the source.

There's no way I can prove it now, given the nature of the issue.

With your spotless record of predictions I was hoping that you would help me out with some Super Bowl bets?

Money line - Eagles or Chiefs?
O/U - 48.5?
Mahomes - O/U 254.5?

Thanks in advance.
 
they don't build them like that anymore, well really anything
when you look at the massive airframe loads and stresses, one would think they would literally be falling apart
how far has Boeing fell?
The problems that develop with companies like Boeing aren't because they can't produce a quality product. It's because they fack one thing up so badly it damages their rep beyond repair
 
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Now, these are valid points.

I believe the Russians have interfered in our elections since the 1920s. I absolutely believe Putin has, is, and will continue to work to interfere with anything that is good for US that is not, in some way, also good for him. Of course he did, does, and will. Of course he will continue to do so.

My point, which I concede was made sarcastically, is that he is continuing to do so by feeding into the type and extent of propaganda that the anti-Trumpers are more than willing to latch on to at this point in time. As much as I dislike some of what Trump is doing, I am also totally in favor of other aspects of his agenda. Example?: I love the rooting out of tax money waste, while despising the severe damage done simultaneously to legitimate programs. I wish there were another way to do this, but if there is, I don't know it. To me, the long term viability of the Republic is worth the short term costs. I believe Putin is exploiting this by sowing seeds of disruption where he can slow Trump's progress. I also think the Chinese and the Iranians, and others, even some we call Allies, are probably involved in trying to limit our success as well. The world loves American success, but only to the point that it also benefits them.

Put another way, my common sense concern is that those who are so vitriolically anti-Trump as yourself do not see where you are being a tool for Putin's current disruptions. You don't just call out Trump's crap, you attack at every turn. Best case scenario, you just like being a virtuous Anti-Trump message board crusader; worst case, you yourself are a Putin-stooge spreading mis-information and dis-information as broadly as you can here on VN.


Fair take.

I'll just add that it may seem like I'm jumping on foolish things he says or does so often that it dilutes the rightful criticisms. Thing is, Trump's never ending stream of consciousness, no filter, nonsense makes it hard to hold back for sake of narrowing the focus.
 
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