President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

Your statistics are off ... to say the least. LOL.


If Donald Trump does indeed go through with his global trade war during the current economic climate, he absolutely will bear responsibility if the rate of inflation substantially increases .... and it will.

I wonder what metrics dims will suddenly want to to include now. 🤔
 
Ridiculous is believing all on the left past or present have to subscribe to the progressive takeover. Seems you’re upset she didn’t fall in line of “tribalism”. Weird that you mention 2020, that was exactly the timeline of the progressive takeover but you knew that. Fall in line solider or get labeled a Russian bot.
She did prescribe to a progressive political agenda. I thought she was too radical. She was similar in many ways to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

My problem with her is that her shift was too sudden and too extreme to have been a sincere change in ideology. Her shift was obviously motivated by political expediency.
 
No, I'm just familiar with Tulsi Gabbard's history, and how she was a radical leftist herself .... and compromised her principles as a means of political expediency.

I understand how the Democrats lost .... and I know insincerity when I see it.

If anyone is deranged, it is a political tribalist, such as yourself.
Pretty radical. She wanted to stop wars and use that money to help fund healthcare, infrastructure and other programs here in the US. Awful I tell you, just radical. Legalize pot and go after opioid pharmaceutical companies. Not sure you saying radical over and over makes it true. Seems more like common sense.
 
She did prescribe to a progressive political agenda. I thought she was too radical. She was similar in many ways to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

My problem with her is that her shift was too sudden and too extreme to have been a sincere change in ideology. Her shift was obviously motivated by political expediency.

In no way is she similar to AOC.
 
She did prescribe to a progressive political agenda. I thought she was too radical. She was similar in many ways to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

My problem with her is that her shift was too sudden and too extreme to have been a sincere change in ideology. Her shift was obviously motivated by political expediency.
Well you get extremes when your party has to get used as a Trojan horse by the progressives to win.

Not even close to AOC. Pretty bold statement even for you.
 
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When has showing your hand and giving the party across the negotiating table everything they want, before the negotiation even begins, ever been considered competent negotiation?
Putin had "everything" he wanted before the negotiations began. NATO was never on the table, there is nothing to "give/lose" there.

It would be just as accurate to say Ukraine gave up "everything" if Trump and Putin agreed that Ukraine wouldn't use Martian Space Lasers in the future.

it can still turn into a complete crap agreement, but acting like this was "everything" or even a major factor is laughable given the reality.
 
Pretty radical. She wanted to stop wars and use that money to help fund healthcare, infrastructure and other programs here in the US. Awful I tell you, just radical. Legalize pot and go after opioid pharmaceutical companies. Not sure you saying radical over and over makes it true. Seems more like common sense.
She has always been a non-interventionist. That's true.


^^^^ This is from January 22, 2019 ^^^^

However, as a candidate for the nomination of the Democratic Party for President in 2020, she was also in favor of :

1) CLIMATE CHANGE : Mandate an end to the use of fossil fuels for electricity by 2050. Ban fracking.

2) EDUCATION : Tuition-free community college for all and tuition-free public university for most families.

3) GUNS : Ban assault rifles and require universal background checks.

4) HEALTH CARE : Create "Medicare for All," a universal, government-sponsored health care system.

5) SOCIAL ISSUES : Protect abortion rights. Ban discrimination based on sexual preference, identity.
 
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She has always been a non-interventionist. That's true.


^^^^ This is from January 22, 2019 ^^^^

However, as a candidate for the nomination of the Democratic Party for President in 2020, she was also in favor of :

1) CLIMATE CHANGE : Mandate an end to the use of fossil fuels for electricity by 2050. Ban fracking.

2) EDUCATION : Tuition-free community college for all and tuition-free public university for most families.

3) GUNS : Ban assault rifles and require universal background checks.

4) SOCIAL ISSUES : Protect abortion rights. Ban discrimination based on sexual preference, identity.

I like her stance on the U.S. war pig and she learned first hand about the deepstate, neocons and the loons. The rest not so much. I do think she is out of her league at this stage but if there is common ground i.e. pov I don't necessarily see why all have to agree on everything.

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All liberals above which are all moving in the same general direction. Who is responsible for this outrage?

Nothing remotely like this in U.S. history other than the maybe the Founders. People from completely different backgrounds and povs working together, some might say amazing.
 
She also endorsed Bernie Sanders for President in 2016. I don't know how you reconcile that with being a member of a Republican Presidential Administration now. She wasn't just a Democrat. She was a far-left, liberal Democrat with a progressive ideology.
Tulsi was attacked by the Clintons to be forced off the ballot and threw her support to Hillary’s strongest challenger. Things have to be viewed in their totality for real truth.
 
Fox News has tried to sell Tulsi Gabbard as a Republican ..... but Republicans do buy that? That's not very consistent.

.... and I wouldn't say that Kamala Harris was ever left of Bernie Sanders. I don't even think that's possible. Bernie Sanders even calls himself a "democratic socialist." How do you get any further to the left than that?

I would not have voted for Tulsi Gabbard in 2016, because I thought she was too much of a left-wing radical herself, and therefore, not electable. It is insane how much she has flip-flopped. I have to believe that her physical attractiveness has a lot to do with how forgiving Republicans are of her policies from the past, which really weren't that long ago .... 9-10 years or so.

Tulsi Gabbard is an example of the "halo effect" at work. That is the tendency of a favorable impression made in one area (in Tulsi Gabbard's case, her physical appearance), to influence opinions in unrelated areas (such as the integrity and consistency *or lack thereof* of her positions on a wide range of economic policies and political issues).
You need to get your eyes checked if you think Tulsi is smoking enough to sway opinion.
 
Tulsi was attacked by the Clintons to be forced off the ballot and threw her support to Hillary’s strongest challenger. Things have to be viewed in their totality for real truth.
That doesn't wash as an excuse.

She also embraced Bernie Sanders' socialistic platform. Such as free public university tuition, and universal health care.
 
You need to get your eyes checked if you think Tulsi is smoking enough to sway opinion.

If it takes 100% the same pov on everything, exactly who would be working with anyone else in this country?

People like BB are the problem, divide and conquer.
 
Cite another example of such an extreme shift in ideology. This is like going from being a lifelong Tennessee fan, to becoming a die hard Alabama fan overnight.

It's not that extreme of a shift if you really look at it, her stance on guns has been her biggest shift in ideals which is about on par with Obama's shift on same sex marriage. Trump isn't a right winger so it's not like she's joined a Goldwater administration, it's more akin to her joining a Bill Clinton administration if you want to compare left wing v right wing.
 
BTW, a lot of our views change as we mature, study, and learn more about how the world works. I bet quite a few posters on this board (including myself) thought somewhat differently in their 20s and early 30s.
Funny how Tulsi is a POS to some for representing her extremely liberal constituents of Hawaii but now representing the more conservative views of the entire country and the current administration?
 
So from your perspective, anybody who gets fired from a company and goes to work for a competitor is a POS? That makes complete sense to nobody
That is a false equivalency. She did a 180 degree turn on some very important issues. She didn't simply "go to work for a competitor." She radically altered her core principles.
 
When has showing your hand and giving the party across the negotiating table everything they want, before the negotiation even begins, ever been considered competent negotiation?

Russia knew Ukraine joining NATO was a never happening, that wasn't even a on the table for either side.
 
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Your statistics are off ... to say the least. LOL.


If Donald Trump does indeed go through with his global trade war during the current economic climate, he absolutely will bear responsibility if the rate of inflation substantially increases .... and it will.

Yes, I agree.
 
That is a false equivalency. She did a 180 degree turn on some very important issues. She didn't simply "go to work for a competitor." She radically altered her core principles.

If she can follow direction and execute, it doesn't matter. She will either work towards the Orange Man's policies and goals, or she will get fired.
 

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