President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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RockyTop85 said:
Because we're amigos, I share advice given me: Look around, think, then opine.

There are other names, but this is the one we know: Amber Thurman has become the first woman whose death was preventable in relation to an abortion ban since Dobbs. Her name and story have become public as reporting by ProPublica’s Kavitha Surana details how Thurman, a Black 28-year-old mother to a young son who had dreams of becoming a nurse, died a painful, preventable death in Georgia after doctors at a hospital there refused to perform a simple procedure that could have saved her life – because the law did not allow them.

www.theguardian.com

Amber Thurman was killed by Georgia's abortion ban. There will be others | Moira Donegan

Thurman, a 28-year-old mother, died because Georgia barred doctors from doing a simple procedure to save her life
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Oops...there I go mAKiNG eMoTioNal ApPeaLs again.

Say, did you know that some procedures used in an abortion are also sometimes used after a miscarriage to remove tissue from the uterus to allow the organ to clamp down and reduce bloodflow? A procedure that’s not available under some state’s anti-abortion laws. Mmm, mmm...I feel myself getting eMoTioNal again:

Wrapping his wife in a blanket as she mourned the loss of her pregnancy at 11 weeks, Hope Ngumezi wondered why no obstetrician was coming to see her.

Over the course of six hours on June 11, 2023, Porsha Ngumezi had bled so much in the emergency department at Houston Methodist Sugar Land that she’d needed two transfusions. She was anxious to get home to her young sons, but, according to a nurse’s notes, she was still “passing large clots the size of grapefruit.”

But when Dr. Andrew Ryan Davis, the obstetrician on duty, finally arrived, he said it was the hospital’s “routine” to give a drug called misoprostol to help the body pass the tissue, Hope recalled. Hope trusted the doctor. Porsha took the pills, according to records, and the bleeding continued.

Three hours later, her heart stopped.

www.texastribune.org

A third woman has died under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors reach for riskier miscarriage treatments

Porsha Ngumezi bled to death as she was miscarrying after her doctor opted against an emergency procedure used to end pregnancies.
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sniffle!...I'm such a wreck:

Experts told ProPublica that the September 2021 death of Josseli Barnica, a 28-year-old mother, was “preventable”. Barnica is the third woman reported by ProPublica to have died in recent years after being unable to access abortion legally or having her medical care delayed.

www.theguardian.com

Texas woman died after being denied miscarriage care due to abortion ban, report finds

Josseli Barnica died days state passed six-week abortion ban and doctors delayed treatment, ProPublica reports
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Yes, yes - I understood your analogy, responding that the only locking up of boys and girls would be the state of Texas, with their choice is to either stand by murder women at the hands of the state legislature or prepare to be denied funding. I held out some hope the analogy was purposeful caricature; oh, well.

And yes, I do think it is a right to be able to have an abortion. If Texas’s government's idea of self-determination is to deny it, then I'm against Texas having that self-determination. We can both think of a litany of state-sanctioned evil and discrimination - "self-determination" - the Fed squashed. Are you taking an absolutist position, or just this issue?

Does this mean we're done with child-hunting analogies to women being murdered ruthlessly and in opportunity, by legislatures with no respect for the rights of women? I'd hoped we could flesh that out a bit.

I do like the clever alternating caps usage.
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Okay...seems like we're both talking about some abusive, even dangerous state laws, that should be challenged. By jove, I think we're on the same page and precisely why I'm not a states' rights absolutist. It's a form of idealistic sophistry that ignores the practical reality the Fed doesn't have a stranglehold on the capacity to do harm to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I like that as a republic, the two are set against each other in reaching resolution to resolve and respect those things.

So, what were we arguing about, again?
 
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NCFisher said:
Okay...seems like we're both talking about some abusive, even dangerous state laws, that should be challenged. By jove, I think we're on the same page and precisely why I'm not a states' rights absolutist. It's a form of idealistic sophistry that ignores the practical reality the Fed doesn't have a stranglehold on the capacity to do harm to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I like that as a republic, the two are set against each other in reaching resolution to resolve and respect those things.

So, what were we arguing about, again?
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You are making a strong case for the need of a Federal Dept. of Education.
 
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luthervol said:
You are making a strong case for the need of a Federal Dept. of Education.
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Because Maine and some states want to persist interpreting Title IX to mean something it clearly does not? Pointing out that state legislatures/judiciaries can be injurious to individual rights in no way exonerates their Federal equivalents of the same. We know this from history and current events.

The problem with laws is that the more numerous or encompassing they become, the closer to everyone becoming a criminal. The best government is at best, a soft tyranny in which we make some concessions of liberty to be part of that society. The infinite question with no answer that will sate everyone, is what that means. Most questions should default to the position of individual liberty and property ownership, that materially harms no one else.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm relatively certain I am more insulated from the dangers of trumpism than most on this board.
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Huckleberry, yours I am. As a matter of fact I'm not insulated, I'm positioned to prosper from it. Your a dumbass so you are worried about losses during a time of what will be great prosperity for all.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So 5-10 people is 75% of Volnation?
You have always struggled with math.
That’s not even 10% of political forum posters
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lol........My math abilities far surpass your reading comprehension.
What I actually said was....75% of regular posters in the PF certainly did.

Do this: List the top 100 posters in the PF and then check if you see 75 of their names in the 55 pages of that thread.

Hint...you will. And that will obviously make my statement 100% correct. (if my math is right)
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Huckleberry, yours I am. As a matter of fact I'm not insulated, I'm positioned to prosper from it. Your a dumbass so you are worried about losses during a time of what will be great prosperity for all.
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I certainly hope you are correct.
But unfortunately, I'm confident that you are wrong.
 
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luthervol said:
lol......I think you have forfeited your right to ever comment on anyone's math abilities.

There is no way you can actually believe you are making a valid comparison.
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Did you even read what you claimed as proof.

There are 3 people that qualify. The rest are talking about other issues and there are actually a higher percentage that would represent….you.


This is why I don’t talk to you anymore
Edit: about serious issues.
 
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luthervol said:
Just bumped one of the threads...........go scroll through a few pages and look at the names
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luthervol said:
lol........My math abilities far surpass your reading comprehension.
What I actually said was....75% of regular posters in the PF certainly did.

Do this: List the top 100 posters in the PF and then check if you see 75 of their names in the 55 pages of that thread.

Hint...you will. And that will obviously make my statement 100% correct. (if my math is right)
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Ahem...
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Did you even read what you claimed as proof.

There are 3 people that qualify. The rest are talking about other issues and there are actually a higher percentage that would represent….you.


This is why I don’t talk to you anymore
Edit: about serious issues.
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This is what we are debating.....right???
Orangeslice13 said:
55k people on this board.
No way 8250 of them cared or knew anything about it
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luthervol said:
75% of regular posters in the PF certainly did.
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The thread I bumped proves that 75% knew about it.

But we should just drop it because it's a silly argument.
 
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