President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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McDad said:
I can see that. Not many convos are grabbing my attention and tickling my funny bone. Maybe my humor batteries need recharged???

I'm good though. I sincerely appreciate the concern.
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I'm in that same boat. Most seems to be calm since the election.

There is the random news that the democrat party is in panic mode after the Harris debacle and just debate about Trump cabinet picks.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Same rate, no deductions? Including corporations?

Never pass. But if it makes millionaires and billionaires ACTUALLY pay the same rate that their secretaries do, it might be worth talking about. But this would have to include unrealized gains used for some income producing purpose. So for example if you pledge a billion dollars' worth of stock in ACME as collateral to buy a billion dollars' worth of stock in ABC, you pay that same rate on any gain which has occurred in ACME.

Example:

I buy $100 million of ACME and it does well, and five years later its worth $1 billion, which I use to buy $1 billion in ABC. Let's say the rate you end up on is 10 %.

I pay tax on 10% of $900 million.
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Someone doesn’t understand how capital gains works. Your tax rate on 900 million would not be 10%. That’s the rate for gains of <90k. The rate you’d pay on 900m is 20%.

Unless your secretary is making 200k or more year, she’s not paying a 20% effective rate.

Where do you get this misinformation?
 
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Trump Cabinet Pick makes shocking announcement to Withdraw after MAGA Outrage​


Donald Trump's pick to lead the Drug Enforcement Administration has withdrawn from consideration after MAGA outrage.

Chad Chronister, the Sheriff of Hillborough County, Florida, sparked controversy for ordering the arrest of a pastor for holding church services in the height of the COVID pandemic.

MAGA ally Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky., who was leading the charge to get him to step aside, said he simply 'lost his mind.'


'This sheriff ordered the arrest of a pastor for holding services during the COVID panic. He was tapped by Trump to head the DEA. Glad to see him withdraw from consideration,' he stated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Trump Cabinet pick makes shocking announcement to withdraw

Donald Trump's top Cabinet pick shockingly withdrew from consideration after MAGA outrage.
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LouderVol said:
I have tried to underestand their particular version of politicals before. i remember a couple years ago the current powers lost a race, but pulled some weird, but completely legal, manor to keep it from happening. it kinda sounds like that temporary solution is coming to an end. who knows for how long. the french love to change their government.
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They’re on their 5th Republic. They’re wild, man.
 
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Majors said:
if you’re relying on SS to get you by that’s your fault for trusting the Govt. Should of bet on yourself and invested.
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No. It's the government's fault for stealing their income. They forcibly and legislatively took citizens' money, stating that they were setting it aside for their future. They then spent it on waste and power-grabbing. If the Ponzy scheme fails, that's fraud and theft when anyone else does it. Except, the people going to prison succeded through lies and sophistry. The US Gov't perpetrated it with the threat of the IRS, the judicial system, and the penal system. "You will give it to us, or we will destroy you and your family."

No. The blame doesn't go on the victims, and to claim that it does merely further normalizes the problem. You are effectively saying, "Unless you can afford to save for retirement twice, shame on you for letting the government steal from you."
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No. It's the government's fault for stealing their income. They forcibly and legislatively took citizens' money, stating that they were setting it aside for their future. They then spent it on waste and power-grabbing. If the Ponzy scheme fails, that's fraud and theft when anyone else does it. Except, the people going to prison succeded through lies and sophistry. The US Gov't perpetrated it with the threat of the IRS, the judicial system, and the penal system. "You will give it to us, or we will destroy you and your family."

No. The blame doesn't go on the victims, and to claim that it does merely further normalizes the problem. You are effectively saying, "Unless you can afford to save for retirement twice, shame on you for letting the government steal from you."
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the victims in this case are responsible for electing those in charge of the Ponzi scheme.
The victims in this case are responsible for clutching at their pearls every time the Ponzi scheme get mentioned for changes.
the victims in this case are responsible for continuing to believe the politicians and systems with 200 years of issues.

the truth is out there, and you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

they may not be able to afford another option due to the government stealing from them, but they have much more involvement than just being a victim.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No. It's the government's fault for stealing their income. They forcibly and legislatively took citizens' money, stating that they were setting it aside for their future. They then spent it on waste and power-grabbing. If the Ponzy scheme fails, that's fraud and theft when anyone else does it. Except, the people going to prison succeded through lies and sophistry. The US Gov't perpetrated it with the threat of the IRS, the judicial system, and the penal system. "You will give it to us, or we will destroy you and your family."

No. The blame doesn't go on the victims, and to claim that it does merely further normalizes the problem. You are effectively saying, "Unless you can afford to save for retirement twice, shame on you for letting the government steal from you."
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As a generalization I agree with you in spirit. The problem is your State can disenroll from the fraud programs which is only in place because your State entered the program(s) to start with.

We have scams on top of scams on top of fraud. I don't see a real fix other than reset, and lots of people are going to have to go at that point.
 
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LouderVol said:
the victims in this case are responsible for electing those in charge of the Ponzi scheme.
The victims in this case are responsible for clutching at their pearls every time the Ponzi scheme get mentioned for changes.
the victims in this case are responsible for continuing to believe the politicians and systems with 200 years of issues.

the truth is out there, and you can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

they may not be able to afford another option due to the government stealing from them, but they have much more involvement than just being a victim.
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I didn't elect the leaders that instituted the SS tax. I don't think anyone else that would be affected by it were alive at the time either.
I'm not sure I understand your second point.
I don't believe them. I also don't have the power to resist the federal Gov't who will send me to prison and confiscate my wealth when I try to resist and prove a failing point. I don't have the power to ask my employer to just NOT take that money out of my check.

I'm fortunate enough to have double-saved my retirement. Not everyone is. It's incredibly short-sighted of you to place the blame for this on those against whom it's perpetrated. Incredibly..
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I didn't elect the leaders that instituted the SS tax. I don't think anyone else that would be affected by it were alive at the time either.
I'm not sure I understand your second point.
I don't believe them. I also don't have the power to resist the federal Gov't who will send me to prison and confiscate my wealth when I try to resist and prove a failing point. I don't have the power to ask my employer to just NOT take that money out of my check.

I'm fortunate enough to have double-saved my retirement. Not everyone is. It's incredibly short-sighted of you to place the blame for this on those against whom it's perpetrated. Incredibly..
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We have a responsibility as citizens for what our government does. that goes for even people like me who don't vote.

we, including those who don't vote, elected the politicians. the politicians are the ones who could have ended SS, or reformed it, or improved it. We the people have not made those changes. If we don't make Congress make those changes to SS that are needed, why do we expect Congress to make the changes.

Its been mentioned multiple times, any politician who mentions changing SS is dead on arrival in the next election. people clutch their pearls about SS. you aren't allowed to touch it, change it, fix it, because the electorate would revolt. which feeds back into the first point.

to your last, this is why I push that it is critical that people actually support the people they vote for. when you vote for someone you are saying "I want this person in charge to make decisions that impact me"
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No. It's the government's fault for stealing their income. They forcibly and legislatively took citizens' money, stating that they were setting it aside for their future. They then spent it on waste and power-grabbing. If the Ponzy scheme fails, that's fraud and theft when anyone else does it. Except, the people going to prison succeded through lies and sophistry. The US Gov't perpetrated it with the threat of the IRS, the judicial system, and the penal system. "You will give it to us, or we will destroy you and your family."

No. The blame doesn't go on the victims, and to claim that it does merely further normalizes the problem. You are effectively saying, "Unless you can afford to save for retirement twice, shame on you for letting the government steal from you."
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Very well put.
 
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LouderVol said:
We have a responsibility as citizens for what our government does. that goes for even people like me who don't vote.

we, including those who don't vote, elected the politicians. the politicians are the ones who could have ended SS, or reformed it, or improved it. We the people have not made those changes. If we don't make Congress make those changes to SS that are needed, why do we expect Congress to make the changes.

Its been mentioned multiple times, any politician who mentions changing SS is dead on arrival in the next election. people clutch their pearls about SS. you aren't allowed to touch it, change it, fix it, because the electorate would revolt. which feeds back into the first point.

to your last, this is why I push that it is critical that people actually support the people they vote for. when you vote for someone you are saying "I want this person in charge to make decisions that impact me"
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My reading of your post wasn't blaming the GROUP of voters. You were attributing blame to THE INDIVIDUALS who have been bullied and robbed by the government, pretty much every one of which who weren't around when their ancestors fell for the lie. Now, those who have been forced to "invest" into the system are demonized for saying, "Give me my damn money back, then".

Again, just incredibly simple and short sighted.

* In the spirit of the discussion, why don't you vote?

** Firstly, that's a horrible look when attributing blame to victims of the gov't because they supposedly didn't vote better. And if the reason is that you don't think it does any good, then you've just completely undermined your terrible reasons for blaming individual victims of the government (who apparently should have voted better) (and should have done so before they were born).

ETA: Also, apologies for confusing you with the OP that I responded to.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I didn't elect the leaders that instituted the SS tax. I don't think anyone else that would be affected by it were alive at the time either.
I'm not sure I understand your second point.
I don't believe them. I also don't have the power to resist the federal Gov't who will send me to prison and confiscate my wealth when I try to resist and prove a failing point. I don't have the power to ask my employer to just NOT take that money out of my check.

I'm fortunate enough to have double-saved my retirement. Not everyone is. It's incredibly short-sighted of you to place the blame for this on those against whom it's perpetrated. Incredibly
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LouderVol said:
We have a responsibility as citizens for what our government does. that goes for even people like me who don't vote.

we, including those who don't vote, elected the politicians. the politicians are the ones who could have ended SS, or reformed it, or improved it. We the people have not made those changes. If we don't make Congress make those changes to SS that are needed, why do we expect Congress to make the changes.

Its been mentioned multiple times, any politician who mentions changing SS is dead on arrival in the next election. people clutch their pearls about SS. you aren't allowed to touch it, change it, fix it, because the electorate would revolt. which feeds back into the first point.

to your last, this is why I push that it is critical that people actually support the people they vote for. when you vote for someone you are saying "I want this person in charge to make decisions that impact me"
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If it were only that simple. I did not vote this election, as a Democrat it's useless as the electoral college decides the winner.
It has been a long long time since voters had any say in who runs for office, like since Davy Crockett
As for cutting SS that's been a goal of the republican party for years, it's high on project 2025 agenda, and a goal of the new doge committee.
 
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