President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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DC_Vol said:
Perhaps it makes you feel good to say that, but the reality on the ground is, if you agitate enough you might get a response.

Preaching about how bad Putin is makes for good social media, but I think it’s wise to understand a bit more how we got here.
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Yeah... we got here because of a guy with a Napoleon complex invading a neighboring state because he's worried they like us more than him.
 
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The amount of people that meet the requirements to be a restaurant worker are vast. If they want to replace a server, host, or busboy what are the requirements needed? Be 15 or 16 years of age? You can take someone that's never done job, has no experience or education in that field, and train them in a few hours.

Now do that with a doctor, nurse, HVAC tech, or accountant. What are the requirements to get a job in those areas? Education and certification. A skilled job.

I don't think anyone is saying that a server, the job not the person, isn't important to a restaurant. Just that the job is easier to fill because there is no required education or certification required for them to be hired to do the job.
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Most, if not all servers have to be over the age of 18 as many are serving alcohol. Some equipment that is operated in restaurants require you to be at least 18 years of age. Delivery drivers at places like Dominos for example have to be at least 18 years of age and if you have a bad driving record they will not let you be a delivery driver with a bad record. This shows your level of ignorance that you think people at age 15 or 16 people can just easily do these jobs or that anyone can just walk in and get these jobs. You cannot just train people in a few hours either. It can take several weeks or months for someone with no experience to properly do everything needed to perform the essential functions of their job properly. There is still a training and learning curve involved.

So you do think of how unskilled these workers are when you are enjoying a nice meal that was NOT prepared by you in a restaurant?

And no these jobs are not easier to fill which is why there is often a high turnover rate associated. You seem to have quite the disdain for certain workers and maybe you should frequent those places less if you feel that way.

Actually I have met some accountants over the years that did not have a 4 year degree. Some had a high school diploma but learned the functions of those jobs over the years. However, there are jobs like AP and AR clerks and one could very easily train someone who worked in the restaurant industry into those positions.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Are you sure the confusion is with @DonjoVol on that distinction?
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Yes, I am. I'm currently employed in a low skill position by choice, more time to be at home, less stress etc. I used to be in a very different position. Been on both sides of the fence. How you treat and deal with people in the workplace and who you choose to hire based on qualifications and demonstrated aptitudes are two very different things. There are perks and downsides to both.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Once again if you are for businesses doing " as they see fit' then you would be against ANY government agency mandating or making rules on a how a business operates. In other words that barber shouldn't need a license to open his shop and the government should have had no right to tell them they needed to shut down temporarily during the pandemic.

Second if every janitor, CNA and food service worker at the hospital decided to quit that would be a major problem. Bet you would be singing a different tune about how important they are then.

I'm also not the one who brought up this topic yesterday. You did. You have a bone to pick with someone who does not believe the government or any private business should be mandating vaccines. And what's funny is you are clearly rattled by someone who you perceive as part of the working class.

Anyways. I believe you need to share your thoughts with the people in your company who you see as unskilled. Please feel free to do so.

Three things I have found out about you. You love masks, you love vaccine mandates and you hate service academy football.
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Yes I am for businesses telling their employees they have to dress a certain way or can’t smoke or whatever they want to do as a condition of employment because it’s law and standard practice and always will be. You have no right to a job. You can choose to work for an employer and abide by their rules or not. Nothing you “feel” will ever change this. and again you fail to realize that you can be educated and nuanced enough to understand this point AND to reconcile that government standards and licensing and health checks are needed to protect society from bad business practices in certain circumstances. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

I didn’t bring this up you did lol. And no one is rattled by uneducated message board posts, if I have any feelings toward you personally, it’s pity mixed with eye rolls.

I think it’s pretty clear what people in my company know about unskilled labor vs skilled labor in terms of importance and labor costs and salaries.

And you are wrong on your last point as well. I don’t love masks and hardly wear them ever, I am not for vaccine mandates but understand the business can do what they want, and I don’t hate service academy sports. They are no different than any other midmjaor program aren’t special
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's not near infinite. Tell that to any restaurant manager or owner who dealt with an employee shortage during this pandemic.
If 10 CNAs were to walk off the job at a hospital tomorrow it would be very difficult for the hospital to fill all those positions right away. If a VP quit they could fill that position rather quickly.
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This is what happens when you give people money to do nothing. Factor in current inflation and now it's not worth it to many. The fact is your can still hire virtually anyone off the street to do the job, that hasn't changed, the people willing to work has.

I'm sure someone with a proven record as VP could find a job in the current climate faster than a manager at a restaurant could fill openings for the reasons already discussed above. That still doesn't refute that the unskilled talent pool is infinitely larger, it just illustrates the self imposed disfunction in our system currently. It's the price we and they pay for idiotic government policy the last couple of years. We corrected the course but it's too little too late
 
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DonjoVol said:
Most, if not all servers have to be over the age of 18 as many are serving alcohol. Some equipment that is operated in restaurants require you to be at least 18 years of age. Delivery drivers at places like Dominos for example have to be at least 18 years of age and if you have a bad driving record they will not let you be a delivery driver with a bad record. This shows your level of ignorance that you think people at age 15 or 16 people can just easily do these jobs or that anyone can just walk in and get these jobs. You cannot just train people in a few hours either. It can take several weeks or months for someone with no experience to properly do everything needed to perform the essential functions of their job properly. There is still a training and learning curve involved.
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Several months to train a server? If that's true then you're truly scraping the bottom of the barrel. Learn the menu, follow for a week then you get a section. It's a very easy job
 
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DonjoVol said:
Most, if not all servers have to be over the age of 18 as many are serving alcohol. Some equipment that is operated in restaurants require you to be at least 18 years of age. Delivery drivers at places like Dominos for example have to be at least 18 years of age and if you have a bad driving record they will not let you be a delivery driver with a bad record. This shows your level of ignorance that you think people at age 15 or 16 people can just easily do these jobs or that anyone can just walk in and get these jobs. You cannot just train people in a few hours either. It can take several weeks or months for someone with no experience to properly do everything needed to perform the essential functions of their job properly. There is still a training and learning curve involved.
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Age requirements. That's it. No education or certification requirements needed. The pool of potential employees is massive. Be 18 years of age. No high school diploma required. No college degree required. No certification required.

You seem to have quite the disdain for certain workers and maybe you should frequent those places less if you feel that way.
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You're waaay to sensitive here. Where have I said anything showing disdain for an employee. I'm not talking about a person. Just the requirements for a job.

Actually I have met some accountants over the years that did not have a 4 year degree. Some had a high school diploma but learned the functions of those jobs over the years. However, there are jobs like AP and AR clerks and one could very easily train someone who worked in the restaurant industry into those positions.
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I'm talking about actually going through the education and certification requirements of being an accountant. You want have a buddy control the books and thinks he can handle it that's a risk you can take.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Age requirements. That's it. No education or certification requirements needed. The pool of potential employees is massive. Be 18 years of age. No high school diploma required. No college degree required. No certification required.


You're waaay to sensitive here. Where have I said anything showing disdain for an employee. I'm not talking about a person. Just the requirements for a job.


I'm talking about actually going through the education and certification requirements of being an accountant. You want have a buddy control the books and thinks he can handle it that's a risk you can take.
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Being a bookkeeper, AR clerk, or AP clerk does not require a 4 year degree. Many of those positions don't so they had to learn their craft somewhere.

I know for a fact that Arby's for example won't let anyone work the slicer unless they are 18. That actually might be a state law.

If they are really unskilled like you say then maybe you should get a job working part time at a restaurant for just a week and let us know how easy it is for you.

Actually I wouldn't want any of my buddies or family working for me. However I've seen this at companies before. I think it happens more than we realize.
 
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This is what I’m looking at - the US Housing market.

Prepare for a recession this summer, a bear market in real estate and a drop in stock prices, warns strategist David Rosenberg

The housing market is in at least as big a bubble as the stock market. When you look at price action, it’s absolutely incredible. The year-over-year trend in nationwide home prices is 19%.
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Relative to overall inflation, housing is overvalued by 35%, and 27% relative to wages. Home prices relative to residential rents are 25% overvalued by the standards of the past.
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The price-to-income multiple is just about where it was in 2006 and 2007. Nobody wanted to believe it then, and talking about housing being in a bubble today, it’s as if I told somebody that their kid was ugly.
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Real Estate has been super hot here in the last 4-5 years. It has to come back down at some point.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Being a bookkeeper, AR clerk, or AP clerk does not require a 4 year degree. Many of those positions don't so they had to learn their craft somewhere.

I know for a fact that Arby's for example won't let anyone work the slicer unless they are 18. That actually might be a state law.

If they are really unskilled like you say then maybe you should get a job working part time at a restaurant for just a week and let us know how easy it is for you.

Actually I wouldn't want any of my buddies or family working for me. However I've seen this at companies before. I think it happens more than we realize.
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I've done all of the above. Slicing meat and cheese is not a skill (I worked in a bagel shop in college). I waited tables for a couple years as well. Yes there are tasks to complete but they are not really skills
 
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hog88 said:
That's what I keep telling myself but see few signs of it yet. Million dollar+ houses are still going under contract within a couple days of hitting the market.
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Watched one near by go for 1mil in 2 days and another was 1.6 in 3 days. Based on comps we could make another 200k on the house we just finished in Nov. If it hits it will go fast and hurt those caught up in it
 
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hog88 said:
That's what I keep telling myself but see few signs of it yet. Million dollar+ houses are still going under contract within a couple days of hitting the market.
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Same here in Memphis right now too.

This just can’t continue though. Going to have to be some type of correction.

I see no way the housing market skates when recession hits.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Age requirements. That's it. No education or certification requirements needed. The pool of potential employees is massive. Be 18 years of age. No high school diploma required. No college degree required. No certification required.


You're waaay to sensitive here. Where have I said anything showing disdain for an employee. I'm not talking about a person. Just the requirements for a job.


I'm talking about actually going through the education and certification requirements of being an accountant. You want have a buddy control the books and thinks he can handle it that's a risk you can take.
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Are we really back to rehashing the chip that DonjoVol permanently keeps on his shoulder about how restaurant workers aren't appreciated? He seems to bring this up every few weeks. He continually wants to call every person a skilled worker even though they aren't. He then says that we don't value their work because we correctly state that they are unskilled workers.
 
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