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I'm sure China Berry should be on that list.

Invasive species that grows really fast.

Had to look that up; I don't recall ever hearing of it before. Except for the corner blocks in my neighborhood almost everybody mows a nice distance back from the house and then lets the rest stay forested - wild basically. Every few years when you can wander back another 50 feet and get lost, I do some trimming - mostly privet; I swear that stuff is almost as bad as kudzu. And just to make it more challenging there are the blackberry vines. The privet is even more invasive than honeysuckle. I'm not sure what it's all about, but this year has been nuts - like the yard wants to be a jungle. We planted juniper (or something like that) in front of the house, and a lot of years ago my wife planted some flowering climbing vines to grow up the front porch; they've taken over the junipers. I pull the things out by the roots, I've crawled under the junipers to pull them out - year after year, It's like somebody used kudzu rootstock and grafted whatever on them. I'm thinking I may have to cut the junipers down and use agent orange or something.
 
I still say he’s the most hated WH occupant in history.



The worst part is that we all knew it. People (other than dyed in the wool socialists) predicted how bad it would be time after time. The only thing we missed was that most people couldn't fathom how bad it would be. Most presidents are limited in their inability to screw things up by their own incompetency - biden came without any brakes, with a lot of pushers, and incompetency like never before imagined - and that's even throwing Carter, LBJ, Bush 2, and Obama into the mix.
 
Pootin is gonna d$&@ around with his Black Sea blockade and at some point were gonna see various countries send their warships in there and open those ports back up and dare Pootin to do one damn thing about it.

Exactly. Those ships will go to the bottom of the ocean if famine ensues anywhere in the world because of this.
 
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Exactly. Those ships will go to the bottom of the ocean if famine ensues anywhere in the world because of this.

This global economy and our reliance sucks ass. Not sure we as such a blessed nation in resources could not be reliant on any imports whatsoever. Thank you DC
 
Yes, but I mean if it came down to a global crisis, couldn’t the US be self sufficient with grains? I don’t know the answer…I had always assumed it was yes.
I believe the answer is yes.

Our people might not be able to get their boutique grain or coffee bean of choice but we won’t starve and in fact could expand production and offset the loss. We just cost more.
 
I believe the answer is yes.

Our people might not be able to get their boutique grain or coffee bean of choice but we won’t starve and in fact could expand production and offset the loss. We just cost more.
Except our current government probably has some obligation to China so we’d be exporting and starve our own people. Of course we don’t know whether Bill Gates will let all his fields go fallow and we have a shortage
 
I believe the answer is yes.

Our people might not be able to get their boutique grain or coffee bean of choice but we won’t starve and in fact could expand production and offset the loss. We just cost more.

The U.S. can feed itself and a good chunk of the rest of the world. We are very blessed. One thing that is concerning is the fertilizer shortage, as well as the current cost of it. Things could get real, real fast.
 
The U.S. can feed itself and a good chunk of the rest of the world. We are very blessed. One thing that is concerning is the fertilizer shortage, as well as the current cost of it. Things could get real, real fast.
Yep fertilizer is the same problem I believe. We could produce it but then it costs more and that ultimately is reflected in the final crop price just like every other mfg cost on any product.

There is a really great economics lesson happening in real time with regards to the risks of globalization for anybody paying attention.
 
The U.S. can feed itself and a good chunk of the rest of the world. We are very blessed. One thing that is concerning is the fertilizer shortage, as well as the current cost of it. Things could get real, real fast.

I keep thinking about another issue - the shipping. It looks like China has bought or contracted at least a lot of food and won't let shippers put it in containers headed to China - they wanted empty containers for quick turnaround apparently. Some farmers and suppliers have warehouses full that you think might belong to the Chinese. That's a whole new ripple in the agriculture/shipping force ... maybe anyway. Sure would be nice and important to know more about that. Can stuff in warehouses not sent to China be sold elsewhere?
 
Yep fertilizer is the same problem I believe. We could produce it but then it costs more and that ultimately is reflected in the final crop price just like every other mfg cost on any product.

There is a really great economics lesson happening in real time with regards to the risks of globalization for anybody paying attention.

It was another way for the powers that be to ensure that there would never be another world war......or so the thought (and yes, money too). Not only do we have mutually assured destruction with any nuke launch, but we have something called mutually assured economic destruction. If the major powers tie their economies together then there is less of a likely hood of another world war.
 
I keep thinking about another issue - the shipping. It looks like China has bought or contracted at least a lot of food and won't let shippers put it in containers headed to China - they wanted empty containers for quick turnaround apparently. Some farmers and suppliers have warehouses full that you think might belong to the Chinese. That's a whole new ripple in the agriculture/shipping force ... maybe anyway. Sure would be nice and important to know more about that. Can stuff in warehouses not sent to China be sold elsewhere?

Interesting, never thought of that.
 
I keep thinking about another issue - the shipping. It looks like China has bought or contracted at least a lot of food and won't let shippers put it in containers headed to China - they wanted empty containers for quick turnaround apparently. Some farmers and suppliers have warehouses full that you think might belong to the Chinese. That's a whole new ripple in the agriculture/shipping force ... maybe anyway. Sure would be nice and important to know more about that. Can stuff in warehouses not sent to China be sold elsewhere?

I would think it depends on the shipping terms (i.e., where the end buyer actually takes ownership of the product). If they’ve already paid and are paying for storage here, it’s theirs. If they have not, it could probably be sold out from under them without any big legal consequences.
 
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I would think it depends on the shipping terms (i.e., where the end buyer actually takes ownership of the product). If they’ve already paid and are paying for storage here, it’s theirs. If they have not, it could probably be sold out from under them without any big legal consequences.

My thought also, but what do farmers do with the next crop?
 
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My thought also, but what do farmers do with the next crop?

Farmers sell it to the Co-op, the Co-op decides where they are going to store / slash dump it on the ground . I’ve seen mountains of corn dumped on the ground waiting for a place to go or better prices . That will create a number crop scenario so the farmers will most likely rotate crops and plant more soy beans , milo , corn for the next year , depending on what the bumper crop is this time .
 
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Farmers sell it to the Co-op, the Co-op decides where they are going to store / slash dump it on the ground . I’ve seen mountains of corn dumped on the ground waiting for a place to go or better prices . That will create a number crop scenario so the farmers will most likely rotate crops and plant more soy beans , milo , corn for the next year , depending on what the bumper crop is this time .

Somebody has to have money invested in crops just sitting there and in warehouses full of stuff not moving. That doesn't seem sustainable.
 
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