President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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luthervol said:
So 3 is the magic number? You're the definitive arbiter? And you know she was older than your magic number?
"leads one to believe" ...lol
Not worth rehashing anymore - agreed.
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Most everyone believe between 3 and 5 years of age...so unless she was sexualized before that time, she would determine at that age to be inappropriate..which mean she was older..probably closer to teenage years 10 to 12 range which seem to be Joes sweet spot for sniffing anf inappropriate touching
 
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luthervol said:
Your second sentence is categorically wrong.....and kind of the foundation of the whole debate.

SHE DID NOT SAY IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
How old would a girl need to be to know that it was inappropriate?
Maybe by attempting to answer that question you will realize the flaw in your "reasoning".
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Joe was the adult, he should have known better. If his daughter was old enough to question whether it was appropriate, Joe should have known she was too old for it to be appropriate.
 
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luthervol said:
My position has always been that assuming the diary is true, it's not that big of an issue unless Ashley decides to add more detail.
Of course it depends on her age - which she has not provided.
If she was 3 - no big deal at all
If she was 13 - big deal
Everything in between is obviously on a continuum..
The real kicker to me is that she said "probably" inappropriate....and she was writing in journal she thought would remain private........if anything inappropriate happened, she would know it was inappropriate.....so my conclusion is nothing inappropriate happened.

I think trump's continued and public sexualization of his own daughter is worse that the "shower" issue as we know it.
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She wrote - “probably inappropriate”

So your conclusion is - “nothing inappropriate”

Interdasting.
 
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85SugarVol said:
She wrote - “probably inappropriate”

So your conclusion is - “nothing inappropriate”

Interdasting.
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You only need to read back a few posts to find people saying his actions were inappropriate,
She never said that. At any time.
I think their leap to an assumption of guilt is far worse and more telling than my assumption of innocence.
 
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luthervol said:
You only need to read back a few posts to find people saying his actions were inappropriate,
She never said that. At any time.
I think their leap to an assumption of guilt is far worse and more telling than my assumption of innocence.
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No, she simply wrote “probably inappropriate” in regards to her father showering with her.

Those are her words.
 
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85SugarVol said:
No, she simply wrote “probably inappropriate” in regards to her father showering with her.

Those are her words.
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We have never been in disagreement over that.
Which obviously means both positions are speculation.

I believe the fact that she said "probably" indicates that there was nothing really inappropriate.
Some believe the fact that she said "probably" is proof that there was something inappropriate.

I'm comfortable with my position.
 
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luthervol said:
We have never been in disagreement over that.
Which obviously means both positions are speculation.

I believe the fact that she said "probably" indicates that there was nothing really inappropriate.
Some believe the fact that she said "probably" is proof that there was something inappropriate.

I'm comfortable with my position.
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Of course you are. It's your boy. If it was Trump you would be apoplectic.
 
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luthervol said:
We have never been in disagreement over that.
Which obviously means both positions are speculation.

I believe the fact that she said "probably" indicates that there was nothing really inappropriate.
Some believe the fact that she said "probably" is proof that there was something inappropriate.

I'm comfortable with my position.
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Except she didn’t choose to write “probably appropriate” in her private diary. She chose to write “probably inappropriate”.

She wrote probably inappropriate. Her words.

So in her opinion, it’s more likely than not, that the showers were indeed inappropriate - that’s what “probably inappropriate” would convey here.
 
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luthervol said:
We have never been in disagreement over that.
Which obviously means both positions are speculation.

I believe the fact that she said "probably" indicates that there was nothing really inappropriate.
Some believe the fact that she said "probably" is proof that there was something inappropriate.

I'm comfortable with my position.
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Lol that's absurd. You could argue she's unsure. But you arguing it means “nothing really inappropriate”is absurd
 
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85SugarVol said:
Except she didn’t choose to write “probably appropriate” in her private diary. She chose to write “probably inappropriate”.

She wrote probably inappropriate. Her words.

So in her opinion, it’s more likely than not, that the showers were indeed inappropriate - that’s what “probably inappropriate” would convey here.
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lol.............
So we agree that both positions are nothing more than speculation.
 
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luthervol said:
Why have you not called out the people who said Biden's actions were inappropriate as being absurd?
Never mind
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So you have no interest in self reflecting? And DA I have. I'm not going to do it every time. Accusing someone of molestation is the worst thing someone can be accused of. Should never be done lightly. As someone who was molested at a young age it annoys the shat out of me when people toss that accusation out with only specualton. Her openly questioning it makes the issue a topic. You shatting on her concerns is of little surprise
 
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85SugarVol said:
No. He’s just an ardent D supporter.

Will support anything he perceives as beneficial to Big Blue.

Will even construe “probably inappropriate” as “nothing inappropriate”

🤷‍♀️
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Completely ignores her potential views on showering with dad


Started accusing Trump of forcing himself on Stormy bc of her 88th version of what took place.

He's a clown
 
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volfanhill said:
Completely ignores her potential views on showering with dad


Started accusing Trump of forcing himself on Stormy bc of her 88th version of what took place.

He's a clown
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Ignores the writing of Joes daughter, Ignores all Joe creepy comments, smelling, touching of little girls...
I to have a history with being abused and help other nows. And as I stated she displays all the classic signs...now if that was Joe we don't know but something happened, for me Joes displays of it and then this is what leads me to believe this is true
 
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85SugarVol said:
Lol what? When did this happen?

Not Luther believing it as gospel, I’m sure of that.

But when did the narrative change to Trump assaulting Stormy?
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Did you see the interview in 2018? Between stormy and bill maher..she literally states it was consensual, and she was a victim etc..then on the stands she try to say she was intimidated, and her. Was blocking her and BS...
 
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volfanhill said:
So you have no interest in self reflecting? And DA I have. I'm not going to do it every time. Accusing someone of molestation is the worst thing someone can be accused of. Should never be done lightly. As someone who was molested at a young age it annoys the shat out of me when people toss that accusation out with only specualton. Her openly questioning it makes the issue a topic. You shatting on her concerns is of little surprise
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Give me a break. There are far more people in the PF claiming Biden is guilty of inappropriate behavior. No one says "shat" about that. I'm simply taking an equally indefensible balancing position.

And the responses are hilarious and telling.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Did you see the interview in 2018? Between stormy and bill maher..she literally states it was consensual, and she was a victim etc..then on the stands she try to say she was intimidated, and her. Was blocking her and BS...
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I think she said trump probably intimidated her into reluctant consent.
 
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McDad said:
By your AB diary rationale, wouldn't "probably intimidated" means nothing intimidating at all???
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Just highlighting the difficulties and dangers in interpreting the word "probably".

In a diary, not meant to be seen by anyone, during a reflective stream on consciousness, .............
 
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