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[AM64]

I hate to get involved in your lovers' quarrel and I've only paid a little attention. Is @evillawyer talking about lumber futures while youre talking about current price per sheet of OSB? EL's article is behind a pay wall and I'm not exactly sure if you two are even arguing about the same thing.

Yes. Maybe the Lowes' price will someday reflect EL's market projections ... and maybe not. I have serious issues with gambling on commodity prices that screw over the consumer by inflating the price the end user pays. If you want to gamble, go to LV and play against the house and not the consumer.

 

[RavinDave]

@AM64
And the pallets from China are constructed entirely from plywood. But they are usually so beat up by the time I get them I mostly put them on the fire pile.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

From Ghana, Egypt, Bangladesh and Sierra Leone Through The Southern Border (via Colombia and Panama): Migrants in Central America reveal the full extent of their journey as They Head North Towards The US

Migrants from all over the world are flocking to Central America to make the trek toward the U.S. after the border between Colombia and Panama reopened.

Thousands of these travelers, who plan to eventually reach the U.S. as the border crisis surges, are passing through the town of Necocli, Columbia before the dangerous trip through the rainforest of southern Panama.

Migrants from all over the world who are stranded in Necocli, Colombia wait in line on August 2 for tickets for a boat to take them to the border with Panama so they can trek through Central America to the U.S.

From Egypt to the southern border (via Panama): Migrants head north towards the US | Daily Mail Online

 

[AM64]

I have one supplier who bands a 4x4 sheet of half inch plywood on top of a pallet of 4 drums for shipping. I’ve been saving the pieces that weren’t too beat up. Your post about “just wait till hurricane season” made the bulb light up in my head.

I've always wondered when I see people buying plywood for an approaching storm. What did they do with the plywood from the last storm?

 

[RavinDave]

I've always wondered when I see people buying plywood for an approaching storm. What did they do with the plywood from the last storm?

Would make sense to save and re-use it even at yesteryear’s prices.

 

[clarksvol00]

Yes. Maybe the Lowes' price will someday reflect EL's market projections ... and maybe not. I have serious issues with gambling on commodity prices that screw over the consumer by inflating the price the end user pays. If you want to gamble, go to LV and play against the house and not the consumer.

I don't know if futures will be accurate or not, but the two of them argue about it so much they should probably have a mutually agreed upon standard. Futures, price per sheet of OSB, percentage change in each since date x, anything to set a common standard for them to argue about. After watching the nonsense unfold for a few days, it seems we're seeing the same apples and oranges ish daily.
EL: "futures are down."
Nd: "oh yeah! Osb is still more than it used to be."

 

[AM64]

I don't know if futures will be accurate or not, but the two of them argue about it so much they should probably have a mutually agreed upon standard. Futures, price per sheet of OSB, percentage change in each since date x, anything to set a common standard for them to argue about. After watching the nonsense unfold for a few days, it seems we're seeing the same apples and oranges ish daily.
EL: "futures are down."
Nd: "oh yeah! Osb is still more than it used to be."

As a consumer, I have to agree with ND's point of view, though, and I don't want to pay someone's market winnings when I buy a product.

 

[clarksvol00]

As a consumer, I have to agree with ND's point of view, though, and I don't want to pay someone's market winnings when I buy a product.

I dont want to pay someone's winnings either, but EL also has a point that the commodities markets are a potential indicator of where the market is headed (if that's EL's point). Their back and forth isn't even about the same thing. Futures markets for lumber and today's price of a sheet of OSB are two different things.

 

[AM64]

I dont want to pay someone's winnings either, but EL also has a point that the commodities markets are a potential indicator of where the market is headed (if that's EL's point). Their back and forth isn't even about the same thing. Futures markets for lumber and today's price of a sheet of OSB are two different things.

Exactly. EL's price is what might happen, and ND's price is what is. One has real meaning when you need something; and the other means the price may be better (or worse) some day in the future. As a consumer, that future price doesn't speak to me when I need lumber, or parts, or gas today.

The other part in all this is the retailer buys stuff at the older price, and somehow has to sell that more expensive stuff without losing before we get to EL's better prices.

 

[clarksvol00]

Exactly. EL's price is what might happen, and ND's price is what is. One has real meaning when you need something; and the other means the price may be better (or worse) some day in the future. As a consumer, that future price doesn't speak to me when I need lumber, or parts, or gas today.

I understand that, I suspect the futures markets have been fairly predictive, while I also understand lumber is still higher than it was 18 months ago. The point I am making is that we see the same stupid argument everyday from these two when they are using two completely different metrics, both of which could be argued as legitimate. They are getting annoying and I suspect if EL said "water is wet, love," ND would say, "BS, rocks are hard, shrew."

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I see why UT has had one of the worst football programs in the SEC over the last 13 years. The fanbase mirrors it.

Yep. Fans totally mirror the product on the field.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I hate to get involved in your lovers' quarrel and I've only paid a little attention. Is @evillawyer talking about lumber futures while youre talking about current price per sheet of OSB? EL's article is behind a pay wall and I'm not exactly sure if you two are even arguing about the same thing.

She’s cherry picking intraday low price and I post the end of day price while still pointing out that real prices are still 4x higher than normal. Yes I know the difference between the two however she just continually cherry picks a low minimum and ignores everything eise.

 

[AM64]

I understand that, I suspect the futures markets have been fairly predictive, while I also understand lumber is still higher than it was 18 months ago. The point I am making is that we see the same stupid argument everyday from these two when they are using two completely different metrics, both of which could be argued as legitimate. They are getting annoying and I suspect if EL said "water is wet, love," ND would say, "BS, rocks are hard, shrew."

True, but still most of us believe the final score is more meaningful than the score at halftime or the end of the third quarter.

 

[clarksvol00]

She’s cherry picking intraday low price and I post the end of day price while still pointing out that real prices are still 4x higher than normal. Yes I know the difference between the two however she just continually cherry picks a low minimum and ignores everything eise.

EL's Bloomberg article is blocked by a paywall for me so I'll have to take your word on what she's talking about.

 

[NorthDallas40]

EL's Bloomberg article is blocked by a paywall for me so I'll have to take your word on what she's talking about.

Pull it up in a private browser and you can read it. She did it the last two days. Bloomberg picks an intraday low in the $450ish range and end of day both days is $530ish range. And real prices at the store are still 4x historical norms. Plus I keep asking exactly what specific policies has the idiot actually enacted to enable the easing of commodity prices and the answer is always static. It is what it is.

 

[clarksvol00]

True, but still most of us believe the final score is more meaningful than the score at halftime or the end of the third quarter.

I think EL and ND40 won't be able to agree on when the game started, what quarter we're in, or when the game is over. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem if they decided to argue over the percentage change in their respective favorite measure over time.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I think EL and ND40 won't be able to agree on when the game started, what quarter we're in, or when the game is over. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem if they decided to argue over the percentage change in their respective favorite measure over time.

Probably not since Ive seen enough of her **** to automatically assume what she’s saying isn’t true.

 

[clarksvol00]

Probably not since Ive seen enough of her **** to automatically assume what she’s saying isn’t true.

I still think you two need your own thread.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I still think you two need your own thread.

Wouldn’t matter. The posts are all over and they’re usually wrong so I’ll point and mock them and say they’re wrong. Why the hell does her special needs ass deserve a pass?

 

[Weezer]

I understand that, I suspect the futures markets have been fairly predictive, while I also understand lumber is still higher than it was 18 months ago. The point I am making is that we see the same stupid argument everyday from these two when they are using two completely different metrics, both of which could be argued as legitimate. They are getting annoying and I suspect if EL said "water is wet, love," ND would say, "BS, rocks are hard, shrew."

Never get involved in a lovers' quarrel. Life is much simpler that way, and you don't take a shiv to the neck.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I hate to get involved in your lovers' quarrel and I've only paid a little attention. Is @evillawyer talking about lumber futures while youre talking about current price per sheet of OSB? EL's article is behind a pay wall and I'm not exactly sure if you two are even arguing about the same thing.

They are not. El is using pretend numbers to say Biden is doing a good job while ND40 is disproving this claim with the actual numbers people are paying.

OSB is way down yesterday. Only 26$ a sheet in chattanooga. That’s only 200% up from 8$ in early 2020. Where it had been stable for 11 years.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I dont want to pay someone's winnings either, but EL also has a point that the commodities markets are a potential indicator of where the market is headed (if that's EL's point). Their back and forth isn't even about the same thing. Futures markets for lumber and today's price of a sheet of OSB are two different things.

Futures market is irrelevant to the actual economic situation. That’s why El is a joke.

 

[StarRaider]

She’s cherry picking intraday low price and I post the end of day price while still pointing out that real prices are still 4x higher than normal. Yes I know the difference between the two however she just continually cherry picks a low minimum and ignores everything eise.

the troll has a lot of xiden's water to carry around

 

[NorthDallas40]

the troll has a lot of xiden's water to carry around

And she happily and willingly picks up those never ending pails of shilling water!

 

[NorthDallas40]

They are not. El is using pretend numbers to say Biden is doing a good job while ND40 is disproving this claim with the actual numbers people are paying.

OSB is way down yesterday. Only 26$ a sheet in chattanooga. That’s only 200% up from 8$ in early 2020. Where it had been stable for 11 years.

That is probably the lowest stated price I’ve seen. It was going to come off of those ridiculous prices as supply came back. But how much is also demand tapering which was what several articles are saying. People are just putting off their building projects or home renovations and additions.