President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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0nelilreb said:
The man came closer to blowing up the entire planet than any other President in our history . I’m going call that a ding on his resume.
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So our opinions of presidents should be based on things that almost happened? Interesting take.
A less skilled statesman would’ve easily screwed up the missile crisis. Fact is that JFK actually learned a lesson from the BOP cluster F and didn’t take the war hawks in his cabinet and the military at their word during the missile crisis.
 
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lostsheep said:
So our opinions of presidents should be based on things that almost happened? Interesting take.
A less skilled statesman would’ve easily screwed up the missile crisis. Fact is that JFK actually learned a lesson from the BOP cluster F and didn’t take the war hawks in his cabinet and the military at their word during the missile crisis.
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JFK learned so much from his BoPs failure he authorized Operation Mongoose immediately after. Pushing Castro further into the arms of the Soviets.

BTW got that list of good things JFK did?
 
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hog88 said:
JFK learned so much from his BoPs failure he authorized Operation Mongoose immediately after. Pushing Castro further into the arms of the Soviets.

BTW got that list of good things JFK did?
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Guess you’re trying to impress by throwing out that you actually know about Operation Mongoose? Haha.

Was Mongoose successful? Absolutely not. Did it further push Castro into the “arms of the Soviet’s? Absolutely not, as he was already squarely there.
 
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lostsheep said:
So our opinions of presidents should be based on things that almost happened? Interesting take.
A less skilled statesman would’ve easily screwed up the missile crisis. Fact is that JFK actually learned a lesson from the BOP cluster F and didn’t take the war hawks in his cabinet and the military at their word during the missile crisis.
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It wasn’t JFK that stopped it , he got us into it . Hogg already explained that it was a Russian that actually stopped and it deescalated from there .
 
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hog88 said:
So still nothing on JFKs positives?
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Hog, you actually think you dictate when people respond and on which topics, don’t you?
I’ll respond with my thoughts on JFK when I get good and damn ready.
As I said, in the meantime continue to lecture us all on the finer details of your knowledge on constitutional law, you expert you.
 
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0nelilreb said:
It wasn’t JFK that stopped it , he got us into it . Hogg already explained that it was a Russian that actually stopped and it deescalated from there .
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Great…now Hog is the source for historical accuracy. Don’t see anything that can go wrong with this…
 
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lostsheep said:
Hog, you actually think you dictate when people respond and on which topics, don’t you?
I’ll respond with my thoughts on JFK when I get good and damn ready.
As I said, in the meantime continue to lecture us all on the finer details of your knowledge on constitutional law, you expert you.
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Take your time, you need it.
 
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lostsheep said:
Guess you’re trying to impress by throwing out that you actually know about Operation Mongoose? Haha.

Was Mongoose successful? Absolutely not. Did it further push Castro into the “arms of the Soviet’s? Absolutely not, as he was already squarely there.
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The Castro regimes hatred of all things American after the Bay of Pigs turned him towards any enemy of the US. The deification of the Kennedy legacy has a large part to do with the nostalgia surrounding the demise of many of them. I view Kennedy much like I view Trump. Their actions directly or indirectly led to the presidency’s of two complete idiots; Johnson and Biden. For that, they should be permanently erased from the history books. I realize the nomination process for the VP under Kennedy was much different than it is today but he still did not technically have to pick him and for that he deserves to be permanently erased from history
 
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landscapingvol said:
The Castro regimes hatred of all things American after the Bay of Pigs turned him towards any enemy of the US. The deification of the Kennedy legacy has a large part to do with the nostalgia surrounding the demise of many of them. I view Kennedy much like I view Trump. Their actions directly or indirectly led to the presidency’s of two complete idiots; Johnson and Biden. For that, they should be permanently erased from the history books. I realize the nomination process for the VP under Kennedy was much different than it is today but he still did not technically have to pick him and for that he deserves to be permanently erased from history
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Interesting take. Thanks for sharing.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Usually, I agree with you on certain things, but in this instance, I disagree with your assessment of both McCain and Trump.

McCain was the stereotypical politician. Corrupt (Keating Five), would lie/cheat/steal, kept petty beefs, and moved in whatever direction the wind blew. If he could backstab the conservative cause for the sake of gaining favor or good press with the left, he would do it. The guy had no core convictions other than doing what he could to save his own hide or feather his own nest.

Trump is a guy that I wonder in retrospect how he ever made a million dollars, let alone a billion because he showed such a lack of talent evaluation and surrounded himself as the POTUS with in-laws and a group of "swamp" misfits. John Bolton, Bill Barr, Nikki Haley, Jared Kushner, and at the end Giuliani and Sidney Powell... can't seem to put my finger on how that guy could seemingly put together a more inept collection of people. Also, the guy talks a very good game... good red meat. That obviously showed in the crowds that he was able to draw. But the guy couldn't deliver on the 3 major points of his 2016 campaign (drain the swamp, lock her up and build the wall). I think his personality is the only thing that actually saved him and kept him in the game. You compare and contrast the way the media is handling that train wreck right now with Biden and look at how those guys treated Trump. Faults and all, I really don't see how that guy Trump was able to roll out of bed each morning. They would take a word or phrase and split it, slice it and dice it with biased slants.
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I agree with this except Trump had no chance to get some of the things done he wanted to because the republicans, politicians just like McCain, wouldn’t back him and give him the votes. He was unable to verbally sway anyone so he fell.

I do agree that he picked a horrible inner circle.

The swamp is never getting drained, by the way.
 
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lostsheep said:
Interesting take. Thanks for sharing.
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Johnson would give press interviews on the toilet, escalated the Vietnam War, and expanded the welfare state. He was a bigger bumbler than W, Obama, Trump combined. It needs no further explanation although I firmly believe Biden is well on his way to rivaling his idiocy.
 
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We haven’t had a competent President since Clinton and we haven’t had a good one since Reagan although I don’t deify him like many conservatives. I don’t believe we will ever experience another good one
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Usually, I agree with you on certain things, but in this instance, I disagree with your assessment of both McCain and Trump.

McCain was the stereotypical politician. Corrupt (Keating Five), would lie/cheat/steal, kept petty beefs, and moved in whatever direction the wind blew. If he could backstab the conservative cause for the sake of gaining favor or good press with the left, he would do it. The guy had no core convictions other than doing what he could to save his own hide or feather his own nest.

Trump is a guy that I wonder in retrospect how he ever made a million dollars, let alone a billion because he showed such a lack of talent evaluation and surrounded himself as the POTUS with in-laws and a group of "swamp" misfits. John Bolton, Bill Barr, Nikki Haley, Jared Kushner, and at the end Giuliani and Sidney Powell... can't seem to put my finger on how that guy could seemingly put together a more inept collection of people. Also, the guy talks a very good game... good red meat. That obviously showed in the crowds that he was able to draw. But the guy couldn't deliver on the 3 major points of his 2016 campaign (drain the swamp, lock her up and build the wall). I think his personality is the only thing that actually saved him and kept him in the game. You compare and contrast the way the media is handling that train wreck right now with Biden and look at how those guys treated Trump. Faults and all, I really don't see how that guy Trump was able to roll out of bed each morning. They would take a word or phrase and split it, slice it and dice it with biased slants.
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We have a bad habit of deciding winners over accumulated wealth rather than real accomplishment. Trump was real estate; and like markets that are all about boom and bust cycles, it's timing and cash (or credit line). What makes it work for a lot of people like that are the bankruptcy laws that shield personal wealth when market values go the other way and they can't dodge - it's like a ratchet wrench - you work in one direction and let the mechanism take up the slack in another. The little Trumpets will all do fine because they have a nice cache of cash to work schemes with, but few people who will look at their "achievements" will bother to ask what they really accomplished other than accumulate personal wealth. The thing is they aren't much different from so any others in the business world.

Who among all the corporations really built anything new that isn't a fad related to something like social media or saving the climate? Every two bit con man ever born knows that the look of success lures in suckers, and nothing says "success" like flashing money especially for people born without charm, charisma, and looks. However, regardless of how shady the con man, most still could achieve more tangible accomplishments in their sleep than a politician. The Trump experience should have opened eyes about who we elect, but it's clear by most comments right here on VN that it hasn't, so we'll just revert to electing in the old moldy mold and wonder why things don't improve.
 
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