President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[luthervol]

It’s like the “jobs saved” metric popularized by Obama. It’s always great to measure yourself against a standard that can never be known. You can always claim victory.

True. We can only make our best assumptions as to what it would have been.
Did anyone think there would be no economic downturn because of the COVID epidemic?
I'm sure if we were to go back to the COVID thread in 2019 early 2020, there would be all types of economic doom being forcasted because of COVID.

What I do know is that Biden pushed vaccinations more than Trump did (would have); and that push has caused things to be better (or less horrible) than they would have been otherwise.
That's why when answering the ridiculous and over asked question, "What is one thing that is better under Biden?", that is my carefully chosen answer.

 

[volinbham]

True. We can only make our best assumptions as to what it would have been.
Did anyone think there would be no economic downturn because of the COVID epidemic?
I'm sure if we were to go back to the COVID thread in 2019 early 2020, there would be all types of economic doom being forcasted because of COVID.

What I do know is that Biden pushed vaccinations more than Trump did (would have); and that push has caused things to be better (or less horrible) than they would have been otherwise.
That's why when answering the ridiculous and over asked question, "What is one thing that is better under Biden?", that is my carefully chosen answer.

If you can "know" what someone would have done (eg what Trump would do if he'd won) then I can "know" that if Biden had been POTUS when Covid hit we wouldn't have a vaccine as quickly as we did and accordingly more people would have died.

Imagining what "would have been if" is fun.

 

[DC_Vol]

True. We can only make our best assumptions as to what it would have been.
Did anyone think there would be no economic downturn because of the COVID epidemic?
I'm sure if we were to go back to the COVID thread in 2019 early 2020, there would be all types of economic doom being forcasted because of COVID.

What I do know is that Biden pushed vaccinations more than Trump did (would have); and that push has caused things to be better (or less horrible) than they would have been otherwise.
That's why when answering the ridiculous and over asked question, "What is one thing that is better under Biden?", that is my carefully chosen answer.

Yes, the economic downturn was to be expected. The inflation is much worse than it should be, though all stripes have a hand in that. Biden’s admin seems to have no interest in managing what is going to balloon into a very big problem.

As has been pointed out many times here, your conclusion in the second paragraph is not supported by actual facts. If you want to give Biden credit for executing the vaccine rollout plan, that is fine. But you must also put then hand him the blame for the spiking numbers. He’s a one trick pony with regards to COVID, and the data on the ground doesn’t point to success.

 

[DC_Vol]

If you can "know" what someone would have done (eg what Trump would do if he'd won) then I can "know" that if Biden had been POTUS when Covid hit we wouldn't have a vaccine as quickly as we did and accordingly more people would have died.

Imagining what "would have been if" is fun.

I can also know that the economic recovery would have been better had Biden remained in his basement with his mask and oatmeal.

 

[hog88]

True. We can only make our best assumptions as to what it would have been.
Did anyone think there would be no economic downturn because of the COVID epidemic?
I'm sure if we were to go back to the COVID thread in 2019 early 2020, there would be all types of economic doom being forcasted because of COVID.

What I do know is that Biden pushed vaccinations more than Trump did (would have); and that push has caused things to be better (or less horrible) than they would have been otherwise.
That's why when answering the ridiculous and over asked question, "What is one thing that is better under Biden?", that is my carefully chosen answer.

Dude, Trump being the egotistical megalomaniac he is would have been shouting from the rooftops to take the greatest vaccine ever.

 

[luthervol]

too the bold - hard to justify Trump did a poor job when he did everything in his power to get vaccines created and approved. Virtually no one thought it could be done in the time frame that it was - it's considered a miracle of modern science and Trump exerted as much influence that was in the sphere of his control to make it happen. Hard to argue that is a poor job of promoting the vaccine and the importance of being vaccinated. Once available (and when he knew he wouldn't be POTUS) he still oversaw the system that took us from approval to over 1 million shots per day being administered in 2 months. Hard to argue that is a poor job of promoting the vaccine and the importance of being vaccinated.

while the vaccine was awaiting approval Biden publicly and repeatedly cast doubt on the safety of a vaccine being approved so quickly implying shortcuts or political influence were overriding safety protocols.

the facts simply don't support your one did a great job/one did a poor job.

Trump gets far more credit for the creation of the vaccine then he rightfully deserves. To the degree that he helped, he deserves credit. The vaccine roll out was not done well during the first couple of months.
Covid-19: Was US vaccine rollout a 'dismal failure' under Trump?
As of 20 January, the day Mr Biden became president, about 16.5 million vaccines had been administered in the US, according to official statistics.
When you look at the countries doing the most vaccinations by population, the US is fourth after Israel, the UAE and the UK in terms of doses per 100 people.
Trump officials lobbied to deny states money for vaccine rollout last fall
Top Trump officials actively lobbied Congress to deny state governments any extra funding for the Covid-19 vaccine rollout last fall — despite frantic warnings from state officials that they didn’t have the money they needed to ramp up a massive vaccination operation.
Trump's bungled vaccine rollout is forcing governors to get creative — and political
"Just as they did during the early days of the pandemic, the Trump administration left the distribution of the vaccines to the states, and the result is this patchwork approach we see from state to state," said Asher Hildebrand, a public policy professor at Duke University and former chief of staff for Rep. David Price, D-N.C. "We shouldn't let the governors off the hook, but managing a massive distribution effort that balances efficiency with equity is very hard to do."

The facts do support my position.

 

[whodeycin85]

I can guarantee you the economy would be in better shape under Trump simply because we would have continued to be oil independent...once Joe shut down pipelines. Everything went to hell

 

[luthervol]

If you can "know" what someone would have done (eg what Trump would do if he'd won) then I can "know" that if Biden had been POTUS when Covid hit we wouldn't have a vaccine as quickly as we did and accordingly more people would have died.

Imagining what "would have been if" is fun.

It is fun.
"What ifs" lie on a continuum, and mine is positioned far above yours.

 

[luthervol]

Dude, Trump being the egotistical megalomaniac he is would have been shouting from the rooftops to take the greatest vaccine ever.

If true, then many of today's anti-vaxers would have been first in line.

Which validates my point that even as an ex-president, he could have done and said more.

 

[whodeycin85]

Trump gets far more credit for the creation of the vaccine then he rightfully deserves. To the degree that he helped, he deserves credit. The vaccine roll out was not done well during the first couple of months.
Covid-19: Was US vaccine rollout a 'dismal failure' under Trump?
As of 20 January, the day Mr Biden became president, about 16.5 million vaccines had been administered in the US, according to official statistics.
When you look at the countries doing the most vaccinations by population, the US is fourth after Israel, the UAE and the UK in terms of doses per 100 people.
Trump officials lobbied to deny states money for vaccine rollout last fall
Top Trump officials actively lobbied Congress to deny state governments any extra funding for the Covid-19 vaccine rollout last fall — despite frantic warnings from state officials that they didn’t have the money they needed to ramp up a massive vaccination operation.
Trump's bungled vaccine rollout is forcing governors to get creative — and political
"Just as they did during the early days of the pandemic, the Trump administration left the distribution of the vaccines to the states, and the result is this patchwork approach we see from state to state," said Asher Hildebrand, a public policy professor at Duke University and former chief of staff for Rep. David Price, D-N.C. "We shouldn't let the governors off the hook, but managing a massive distribution effort that balances efficiency with equity is very hard to do."

The facts do support my position.

I gave you a left wing source. Forbes saying the exact opposite....find me a right wing source stating your facts... your sources are opinion pieces and the about denying money to states..why give them more when they have 200 million left from the 1st amount given..seems wasteful..

 

[luthervol]

I can guarantee you the economy would be in better shape under Trump simply because we would have continued to be oil independent...once Joe shut down pipelines. Everything went to hell

What pipeline?

 

[allvol123]

I’m not sure @luthervol is ever at school, but he gets schooled everyday.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

What pipeline?

Don't be coy. Joe shut off the intelligence pipeline.

 

[McDad]

I gave you a left wing source. Forbes saying the exact opposite....find me a right wing source stating your facts... your sources are opinion pieces and the about denying money to states..why give them more when they have 200 million left from the 1st amount given..seems wasteful..

He isn't interested in any sort of truthful discussion. Here's his explanation of your post, even though he "lol'd" and remarked about the demographics in a reply:

I didn't see anything relating to the opinion of the person in charge of warp. oops.

See my response to Hog. I didn't see the link, or didn't click on it - honestly not sure which.

 

[whodeycin85]

What pipeline?

Did Biden cancel the keystone pipeline with an EO within his 1st few days in office....he is now backtracking on the L5 line while feeling pressure from climate activists for L3 which means he will give in eventually....and there was a Pipeline given ton russia to right?

 

[whodeycin85]

I’m not sure @luthervol is ever at school, but he gets schooled everyday.

Honestly is he is a teacher in ATL and an urban area at that. Its no wonder the education system is so far behind

 

[luthervol]

Don't be coy. Joe shut off the intelligence pipeline.

lol....Let him answer.
What pipeline(s)?

 

[BreatheUT]

Oh I think he lacks critical thinking skills or he’s the most disingenuous partisan hack further out of touch than even EL to see his logic failings…. wait a minute…

You're right. Even EL can't defend this administration and has now abandoned this thread for other leanings.

 

[luthervol]

Did Biden cancel the keystone pipeline with an EO within his 1st few days in office....he is now backtracking on the L5 line while feeling pressure from climate activists for L3 which means he will give in eventually....and there was a Pipeline given ton russia to right?

So Biden hasn't shut down any pipeline that was delivering oil?

But your claim is that......"once Joe shut down pipelines. Everything went to hell" ????????????

I'd say that is par for course.

 

[luthervol]

Don't be coy. Joe shut off the intelligence pipeline.

You mean the one exiting this nation? He did indeed.

 

[whodeycin85]

So Biden hasn't shut down any pipeline that was delivering oil?

But your claim is that......"once Joe shut down pipelines. Everything went to hell" ????????????

I'd say that is par for course.

Did he cancel the oil project from the keystone pipeline??....

 

[luthervol]

He isn't interested in any sort of truthful discussion. Here's his explanation of your post, even though he "lol'd" and remarked about the demographics in a reply:

I went back and found the post out of curiosity. It's blocked by a pay wall. I never opened it, and then couldn't when I tried.
The lol was to his comment not the link. The demographics of the non-vaxed prove the nonsense of his statement.
But you keep being you.

 

[volinbham]

Trump gets far more credit for the creation of the vaccine then he rightfully deserves. To the degree that he helped, he deserves credit. The vaccine roll out was not done well during the first couple of months.
Covid-19: Was US vaccine rollout a 'dismal failure' under Trump?
As of 20 January, the day Mr Biden became president, about 16.5 million vaccines had been administered in the US, according to official statistics.
When you look at the countries doing the most vaccinations by population, the US is fourth after Israel, the UAE and the UK in terms of doses per 100 people.
Trump officials lobbied to deny states money for vaccine rollout last fall
Top Trump officials actively lobbied Congress to deny state governments any extra funding for the Covid-19 vaccine rollout last fall — despite frantic warnings from state officials that they didn’t have the money they needed to ramp up a massive vaccination operation.
Trump's bungled vaccine rollout is forcing governors to get creative — and political
"Just as they did during the early days of the pandemic, the Trump administration left the distribution of the vaccines to the states, and the result is this patchwork approach we see from state to state," said Asher Hildebrand, a public policy professor at Duke University and former chief of staff for Rep. David Price, D-N.C. "We shouldn't let the governors off the hook, but managing a massive distribution effort that balances efficiency with equity is very hard to do."

The facts do support my position.

From zero to 16.5 million vaccines in 2 months is hardly "a dismal failure"

and of course you ignored other positives from Trump and negatives from Biden (particularly pre-approval commentary).

 

[luthervol]

I gave you a left wing source. Forbes saying the exact opposite....find me a right wing source stating your facts... your sources are opinion pieces and the about denying money to states..why give them more when they have 200 million left from the 1st amount given..seems wasteful..

Forbes a left wing source? Are you nuts? They are rated center to right center, which I guess seems left wing from your perspective

 

[volinbham]

inflation adjusted hourly wages down 1.9%

Let's go Brandon