President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

[PEPPERJAX]

Inefficiency can be a positive.

Sort of like your view of DC. You love nothing more than inefficiency in DC - because you do not like what efficiency brings.

You are allowed to teach kids?

 

[C-south]

Inefficiency can be a positive.

Sort of like your view of DC. You love nothing more than inefficiency in DC - because you do not like what efficiency brings.

 

[dovervolz]

The increased push for vaccinations, that is the foundation for all other corrections.
Had more been vaccinated sooner, the country would be in much better shape now.

Illegally pushed. If you're going to celebrate it at least say it right.

 

[hog88]

I thought for sure you would understand.
Have you not said many times that you love a stalemate in DC? That you love the inefficiency? That the less they do the better?

Except they are not shipping any less oil. They are just shipping it by rail which is more costly and less environmentally friendly than a pipeline.

 

[allvol123]

Check out the increase in the debt under Trump.
And then compare all republican administrations to democratic administrations.
The rate of increase in deficit spending is always highest under republican administrations.
It's been true for the past 60 years (pretty much since we've had a deficit)

I’m not discussing debt. All politicians fail at spending. I’m discussing his worsening of our productivity. Which makes a the debt a worse problem and does it faster.

 

[luthervol]

Except they are not shipping any less oil. They are just shipping it by rail which is more costly and less environmentally friendly than a pipeline.

Not that I don't trust you but..................link?
If it is true (which I doubt) that they are shipping just as much now as they would have through the pipeline, then that would only leave the environmental impact of the actual pipeline on the land through which it ran as the major concern.

 

[VolStrom]

I know when I was working, we always preached inefficiency is a positive. We know that the less efficient people are the more you have to employ, therefor better for the workers. I'm so proud of Georgia for employing a person of such mind blowing thought as Luther. Thanks for your service to our country Luther!

 

[luthervol]

Except they are not shipping any less oil. They are just shipping it by rail which is more costly and less environmentally friendly than a pipeline.

found it for you
Fact check: Buffett did not donate to Biden; oil that would have been transported through the Keystone XL Pipeline will use existing infrastructure, not Buffett-owned railroad

Days after U.S. President Joe Biden cancelled construction plans for the Keystone XL Pipeline - meant to carry oil from Canada’s Alberta province to Nebraska - posts on social media alleged this move was due to Warren Buffett’s extensive political donations to Biden’s campaign. They claim that railways owned by Buffett now stand to benefit from transporting the oil that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have carried. Buffett, however, did not donate to Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign and oil from Canada that would have travelled via the Keystone XL Pipeline is likely going to use existing and other new pipeline infrastructures to enter the United States.

 

[hog88]

Not that I don't trust you but..................link?
If it is true (which I doubt) that they are shipping just as much now as they would have through the pipeline, then that would only leave the environmental impact of the actual pipeline on the land through which it ran as the major concern.

I didn't say they were shipping the same amount as they would had the pipeline been finished. I was saying they are shipping the same amount of oil by rail as they have been and I was wrong about that. They are shipping MORE oil by rail from the Alberta oil sands than ever before and it's all going by rail at some point. They project to send even more oil here next year so that means even more trains spewing diesel exhaust. So yeah, BIG win for the environment.

Canada's oil sands tiptoe to record output, but keep a lid on spending

 

[luthervol]

I know when I was working, we always preached inefficiency is a positive. We know that the less efficient people are the more you have to employ, therefor better for the workers. I'm so proud of Georgia for employing a person of such mind blowing thought as Luther. Thanks for your service to our country Luther!

Not surprisingly, you missed the point (as did many others).
I'll try it again with an extreme example:
If an arsonist decides one night to burn down as many houses as he possibly can, we would hope he is inefficient......because efficiency would be a negative.
Efficiency is only good when the task is bringing about a positive.
If you view the results of the task as a negative, then inefficiency becomes a positive.
Make sense now?

And you're welcome.

 

[VolStrom]

found it for you
Fact check: Buffett did not donate to Biden; oil that would have been transported through the Keystone XL Pipeline will use existing infrastructure, not Buffett-owned railroad

Days after U.S. President Joe Biden cancelled construction plans for the Keystone XL Pipeline - meant to carry oil from Canada’s Alberta province to Nebraska - posts on social media alleged this move was due to Warren Buffett’s extensive political donations to Biden’s campaign. They claim that railways owned by Buffett now stand to benefit from transporting the oil that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have carried. Buffett, however, did not donate to Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign and oil from Canada that would have travelled via the Keystone XL Pipeline is likely going to use existing and other new pipeline infrastructures to enter the United States.

So they didn't need to build a pipeline after all because they could just use what they already had? I just knew that the investors in that pipeline were stupid. Do you ever think about anything before you post it?

 

[luthervol]

So they didn't need to build a pipeline after all because they could just use what they already had? I just knew that the investors in that pipeline were stupid. Do you ever think about anything before you post it?

Hog seems to think they are getting by just fine. Shipping (almost?) the same amount as they otherwise would have.

 

[VolStrom]

Not surprisingly, you missed the point (as did many others).
I'll try it again with an extreme example:
If an arsonist decides one night to burn down as many houses as he possibly can, we would hope he is inefficient......because efficiency would be a negative.
Efficiency is only good when the task is bringing about a positive.
If you view the results of the task as a negative, then inefficiency becomes a positive.
Make sense now?

And you're welcome.

At least you got "you're" correct. I don't know how to answer the rest of your diatribe other than to say, wow.

 

[TheDeeble]

found it for you
Fact check: Buffett did not donate to Biden; oil that would have been transported through the Keystone XL Pipeline will use existing infrastructure, not Buffett-owned railroad

Days after U.S. President Joe Biden cancelled construction plans for the Keystone XL Pipeline - meant to carry oil from Canada’s Alberta province to Nebraska - posts on social media alleged this move was due to Warren Buffett’s extensive political donations to Biden’s campaign. They claim that railways owned by Buffett now stand to benefit from transporting the oil that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have carried. Buffett, however, did not donate to Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign and oil from Canada that would have travelled via the Keystone XL Pipeline is likely going to use existing and other new pipeline infrastructures to enter the United States.

And only two weeks later....

Keystone XL’s Death Sparks Rush to Ship Oil-Sands by Rail

Without Keystone XL, which was scheduled to enter service in 2023, rail is poised to become a more important way for Canadian oil to reach U.S. Gulf Coast refineries, which need the heavy crude to replace declining supplies from Mexico and Venezuela. That means the risk of derailments may also rise. Rail also creates more emissions than pipelines, with the cost of air pollution and greenhouse gases more than double the costs associated with pipelines, according to a 2017 study by Carnegie Mellon University and University of Pittsburgh.

“Those U.S. refineries need that heavy crude oil produced by Canada,” Sean Brown, Calgary-based Gibson’s chief financial officer, said in a conference call Tuesday. “Discussions continue to heat up.”

Gibson expects that by the third or fourth quarter it will start a 50,000-barrel-a-day facility that will maximize the crude content in rail shipments by removing diluent used to move the crude through pipelines to its terminal in Hardisty, Alberta.

 

[VolStrom]

And only two weeks later....

Keystone XL’s Death Sparks Rush to Ship Oil-Sands by Rail

Maybe this was one of Hunter's mega deals?

 

[McDad]

I'm not going back to find his post again but it was something about Trump doing a good job supporting and promoting the vaccine..

Actually, you made the dubious claim about Biden. He replied the head of warp said 90% was in place under Trump. [link provided]. Suddenly demographics were important.

luthervol said:
And Joe did a fantastic job of pushing for as many to be vaccinated as possible. Had those who most had the ear of the right done likewise, the country would have seen a much quicker recovery.

Whodey:
Actually according to the head of warp speed, trump had already 90% of the vax push in place...Joe has done nothing but push division and lies..

Operation Warp Speed Head Says Trump Administration Responsible For 90% Of Vaccine Rollout

 

[hog88]

found it for you
Fact check: Buffett did not donate to Biden; oil that would have been transported through the Keystone XL Pipeline will use existing infrastructure, not Buffett-owned railroad

Days after U.S. President Joe Biden cancelled construction plans for the Keystone XL Pipeline - meant to carry oil from Canada’s Alberta province to Nebraska - posts on social media alleged this move was due to Warren Buffett’s extensive political donations to Biden’s campaign. They claim that railways owned by Buffett now stand to benefit from transporting the oil that the Keystone XL Pipeline would have carried. Buffett, however, did not donate to Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign and oil from Canada that would have travelled via the Keystone XL Pipeline is likely going to use existing and other new pipeline infrastructures to enter the United States.

I don't recall mentioning any political donations by WB, just that his RR carried the oil. The article you posted does a good job of disputing the rumor of Buffett donating to Biden but ignores research by Bloomberg and others on how much the pipeline would have hurt BNSFs (BH) profits. Oil shipments by rail are expected to increase by 40% now that the pipeline has been killed.

So in conclusion closing down construction on the Keystone XL is a negative impact on the environment.

Will Warren Buffett Really Make Billions Off the Keystone Pipeline’s Demise? It’s Complicated | Jon Miltimore

Killing Keystone seen as risking more spills | Finance & Commerce

 

[luthervol]

Actually, you made the dubious claim about Biden. He replied the head of warp said 90% was in place under Trump. [link provided]. Suddenly demographics were important.

luthervol said:
And Joe did a fantastic job of pushing for as many to be vaccinated as possible. Had those who most had the ear of the right done likewise, the country would have seen a much quicker recovery.

Whodey:
Actually according to the head of warp speed, trump had already 90% of the vax push in place...Joe has done nothing but push division and lies..

Operation Warp Speed Head Says Trump Administration Responsible For 90% Of Vaccine Rollout

You're not going to like this but.......
I don't see how that claim is dubious or my conclusion is off.
Biden was pro-vax from day one and took every public opportunity to encourage people to get vaccinated.
Trump was not vocally pro-vax and rarely took a public opportunity to push for people to get vaccinated and never once challenged the non-vaxers within his beloved right wing propaganda machine.
Had Trump been more vocal, more would have been vaccinated. Trumpers were/are the biggest non-vaxed sub-group.

 

[LouderVol]

Your grandchildren will be thanking you for providing a world worth inheriting.

A world where we have to ship(burning more FF than a pipeline) a refined product from some other country (more than likely with less environmental requirements) or ship (burning more fuel than a pipeline) inside our own country with more risk for environmental spills, compared to a pipeline.

The only win was buffet and OPEC. People who actually understand environmental concerns from more than the television would know this.

 

[luthervol]

I don't recall mentioning any political donations by WB, just that his RR carried the oil. The article you posted does a good job of disputing the rumor of Buffett donating to Biden but ignores research by Bloomberg and others on how much the pipeline would have hurt BNSFs (BH) profits. Oil shipments by rail are expected to increase by 40% now that the pipeline has been killed.

So in conclusion closing down construction on the Keystone XL is a negative impact on the environment.

Will Warren Buffett Really Make Billions Off the Keystone Pipeline’s Demise? It’s Complicated | Jon Miltimore

Killing Keystone seen as risking more spills | Finance & Commerce

If shutting down the pipeline does have a negative impact on the environment (I'm in the camp that says it doesn't), then I would support the pipeline. Sounds like the pipeline fans need to do a better job of getting out their "it helps the environment" message.

 

[LouderVol]

I thought for sure you would understand.
Have you not said many times that you love a stalemate in DC? That you love the inefficiency? That the less they do the better?

Except in this case your less efficiency burns more fossil fuels than the alternative you are cheering the demise of.....

 

[hog88]

You're not going to like this but.......
I don't see how that claim is dubious or my conclusion is off.
Biden was pro-vax from day one and took every public opportunity to encourage people to get vaccinated.
Trump was not vocally pro-vax and rarely took a public opportunity to push for people to get vaccinated and never once challenged the non-vaxers within his beloved right wing propaganda machine.
Had Trump been more vocal, more would have been vaccinated. Trumpers were/are the biggest non-vaxed sub-group.

Biden was pro-vaxx from day 1? Does that mean day 1 of his campaign or day 1 of his presidency?

In recent weeks, Biden’s campaign has only doubled down on its caution: Only once apolitical government scientists and outside experts endorse a Covid-19 vaccine, they say, will the campaign encourage Americans to follow federal vaccination guidance. A thumbs-up from political appointees alone, Murthy said, wouldn’t be good enough.

“If an emergency use authorization is issued without good data being made available to back up whether it met standards for safety and efficacy, that, to me, would not meet the threshold that we need to say that this vaccine truly is safe for distribution,” he told STAT in an interview.

Biden toes the line on Covid-19 vaccine messaging - STAT

 

[hog88]

If shutting down the pipeline does have a negative impact on the environment (I'm in the camp that says it doesn't), then I would support the pipeline. Sounds like the pipeline fans need to do a better job of getting out their "it helps the environment" message.

You have made it clear you ignore facts that disprove your opinions.

 

[LouderVol]

You're not going to like this but.......
I don't see how that claim is dubious or my conclusion is off.
Biden was pro-vax from day one and took every public opportunity to encourage people to get vaccinated.
Trump was not vocally pro-vax and rarely took a public opportunity to push for people to get vaccinated and never once challenged the non-vaxers within his beloved right wing propaganda machine.
Had Trump been more vocal, more would have been vaccinated. Trumpers were/are the biggest non-vaxed sub-group.

What? Trump was pro vax from literal day one. He was the only one saying it would be done in a year. And he absolutely pushed it while in office. From 0 to 16.5 million in less than two months. Meanwhile Biden was out there pushing the party line to not trust Trump with the vaccine.

 

[luthervol]

Biden was pro-vaxx from day 1? Does that mean day 1 of his campaign or day 1 of his presidency?



Biden toes the line on Covid-19 vaccine messaging - STAT

I completely support his position on that. Only once apolitical government scientists and outside experts endorse a Covid-19 vaccine,