President Trump's Cabinet?

[volinbham]

The Republicans won. I accept that. I accepted the fact that they were going to put someone in that position who would prefer vouchers, would oppose further government spending for public schools, and who would I would otherwise disagree with. That would be fair- the majority of voters agreed with that.

Instead, they put someone in that position who has 0 experience as a teacher. 0 experience in school administration. Who actively fought a bipartisan effort to have more oversight of charter schools. Who, after seeing her confirmation hearing, knows little to nothing about what policies and standards she would have to enforce.

She has donated more money than most people will ever see in their life to Republican candidates, and because of that, she got this job. There are no arguments that can be made that she was the best candidate for the job. In terms of purely domestic policy, this is likely the most destructive thing Trump has done so far, and I pity everyone who will be in public schools over these next 4 years.

Luther wouldn't answer - let's see if you will. What specifically do you think Devos will do? Please explain in terms of what the DoEd has the power to do.

 

[luthervol]

Luther wouldn't answer - let's see if you will. What specifically do you think Devos will do? Please explain in terms of what the DoEd has the power to do.

She will increase the number of unregulated charter schools.

She will increase the amount of federal education dollars going to private schools.

She will increase the number of voucher programs nationwide.

She will fight to lessen federal oversight and regulations so states are free to do the above.


She will diminish the effectiveness of public education while helping those who choose alternatives. (By any means necessary)

The end result will be a widening of the gap of the quality of education received by the student.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Moar schools? The horror.

 

[volinbham]

She will increase the number of unregulated charter schools.

She will increase the amount of federal education dollars going to private schools.

She will increase the number of voucher programs nationwide.

She will fight to lessen federal oversight and regulations so states are free to do the above.


She will diminish the effectiveness of public education while helping those who choose alternatives. (By any means necessary)

The end result will be a widening of the gap of the quality of education received by the student.

1. Doubt she has the authority for this one.

2. Possible - however that doesn't destroy public schools and likely needs Congressional approval.

3. Not sure this is Federal authority - Congress would have to approve funding for this if it is.

4. Finally something she might do - I'm not opposed to a change in Federal oversight as it currently stands - depends entirely on what she has in mind. Still, it would be up to states to use this to negatively impact public schools.

5. A cop out - no specifics; just generalized fear mongering.

Limited detail here and I'm pretty sure most of this is not within the purview of the DoEd alone. #4 is the only one that is truly within the purview. Also, this doesn't explain how public schools are seriously harmed.

Finally, how much wider can the gap in quality be? It's already huge and over 40 years of Federal control (and lots of cash) has had limited effect.

 

[hog88]

She will increase the number of unregulated charter schools.

She will increase the amount of federal education dollars going to private schools.

She will increase the number of voucher programs nationwide.

She will fight to lessen federal oversight and regulations so states are free to do the above.


She will diminish the effectiveness of public education while helping those who choose alternatives. (By any means necessary)

The end result will be a widening of the gap of the quality of education received by the student.

And here it is. You believe states shouldn't control their own schools.

 

[05_never_again]

1. Doubt she has the authority for this one.

2. Possible - however that doesn't destroy public schools and likely needs Congressional approval.

3. Not sure this is Federal authority - Congress would have to approve funding for this if it is.

4. Finally something she might do - I'm not opposed to a change in Federal oversight as it currently stands - depends entirely on what she has in mind. Still, it would be up to states to use this to negatively impact public schools.

5. A cop out - no specifics; just generalized fear mongering.

Limited detail here and I'm pretty sure most of this is not within the purview of the DoEd alone. #4 is the only one that is truly within the purview. Also, this doesn't explain how public schools are seriously harmed.

Public schools aren't going to be harmed by her ideas. Private schools are, ultimately.

 

[VolStrom]

She will increase the number of unregulated charter schools.

She will increase the amount of federal education dollars going to private schools.

She will increase the number of voucher programs nationwide.

She will fight to lessen federal oversight and regulations so states are free to do the above.


She will diminish the effectiveness of public education while helping those who choose alternatives. (By any means necessary)

The end result will be a widening of the gap of the quality of education received by the student.

So the bottom line is she will make schools better?

 

[PA Vol]

Perhaps the education system really does need to be fixed.

A large portion of the population is dumb enough to think that Betsy DeVos is a good choice or at the very least, are unfazed by her appointment.

 

[TrueOrange]

lol, no

Smaller class sizes for starters. A teacher with 30+ students in a class is just not effective.

Do away with tenure for teachers is another way of doing business. You suck at teaching or your grade levels keep slipping? Find out why and either fix the problem or get fired. I.E. get the unions the eff out of the education realm.

And in turn, create incentives for teachers that do go above and beyond. Continually have a class that excels? Get rewarded.

Just some ideas off the top of my head.

Then it can easily become a cost-issue, though, if you get rid of any type of job security for the better teachers (or better and much more experienced) who are actually good or have had more experience, does it not? If a younger one who meets the base requirements but would cost less, why keep the older - albeit more experienced - guy who costs much more?

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Perhaps the education system really does need to be fixed.

A large portion of the population is dumb enough to think that Betsy DeVos is a good choice or at the very least, are unfazed by her appointment.

You are being misogynstic #WaronWomen

 

[luthervol]

And here it is. You believe states shouldn't control their own schools.

Should counties?

Why not let individual schools control themselves?

 

[luthervol]

1. Doubt she has the authority for this one.

2. Possible - however that doesn't destroy public schools and likely needs Congressional approval.

3. Not sure this is Federal authority - Congress would have to approve funding for this if it is.

4. Finally something she might do - I'm not opposed to a change in Federal oversight as it currently stands - depends entirely on what she has in mind. Still, it would be up to states to use this to negatively impact public schools.

5. A cop out - no specifics; just generalized fear mongering.

Limited detail here and I'm pretty sure most of this is not within the purview of the DoEd alone. #4 is the only one that is truly within the purview. Also, this doesn't explain how public schools are seriously harmed.

Finally, how much wider can the gap in quality be? It's already huge and over 40 years of Federal control (and lots of cash) has had limited effect.

I hope all of you are right and I am wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

The gap was once much wider, and it could get much wider again. That's the direction we are headed.

Time will tell. I'm pulling for you on this one.

 

[hog88]

Should counties?

Why not let individual schools control themselves?

And down the rabbit hole you go.

Of course counties should control their own schools with state input. No need for a federal DoEd

 

[VolStrom]

I'd hate to think that she might do away with common core math. I think common core has already destroyed an entire generation towards math/science. I can't imagine writing a piece of code with common core messing with my brain.

 

[hog88]

I hope all of you are right and I am wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

The gap was once much wider, and it could get much wider again. That's the direction we are headed.

Time will tell. I'm pulling for you on this one.

It's gotten wider since the Federal DoEd came into existence.

 

[Grand Vol]

And here it is. You believe states shouldn't control their own schools.

Yep, you knew it was coming.

 

[Grand Vol]

Then it can easily become a cost-issue, though, if you get rid of any type of job security for the better teachers (or better and much more experienced) who are actually good or have had more experience, does it not? If a younger one who meets the base requirements but would cost less, why keep the older - albeit more experienced - guy who costs much more?

See the next answer.

 

[Grand Vol]

Should counties?

Why not let individual schools control themselves?

Dear Lord, I'm forced to use a term I rarely use on here.

You have gone full freaking retarded.

You aren't even trying to have a conversation at this point. You are just being retarded for tard's sake.

 

[luthervol]

And down the rabbit hole you go.

Of course counties should control their own schools with state input. No need for a federal DoEd

And individual schools should control themselves with county input?

States needed Federal over sight for all of the same reasons counties needed state over sight and individual schools needed local district over sight.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Perhaps the education system really does need to be fixed.

A large portion of the population is dumb enough to think that Betsy DeVos is a good choice or at the very least, are unfazed by her appointment.

Remember who your DoEd Administrator was when you were in k-12?





Yeah..didn't think so.

The earth will keep spinning, no nuclear winter, freedom for students and/or parents to choose their school exists, life goes on.

 

[luthervol]

Dear Lord, I'm forced to use a term I rarely use on here.

You have gone full freaking retarded.

You aren't even trying to have a conversation at this point. You are just being retarded for tard's sake.

How so?

Explain why individual schools need district oversight, districts need state oversight but states do not need federal oversight. Calling me retarded may just be your cover. Clever.

 

[volfanhill]

How so?

Explain why individual schools need district oversight, districts need state oversight but states do not need federal oversight. Calling me retarded may just be your cover. Clever.

You need a copy of the constitution

 

[luthervol]

You need a copy of the constitution

I've got my pocket constitution on my desk at work. I like to keep it handy. You have no answer to the question?

 

[volfanhill]

I've got my pocket constitution on my desk at work. I like to keep it handy. You have no answer to the question?

Oversight is required. At the State level. It's not complicated. If you keep extrapolating oversight out there are obvious problems for all stake holders.

And since you have that pocket constitution on your desk then surely you can cite for me where education is a federal requirement? Or was it not left to the states by a ceartain phrase that exists inside said pocket constitution?

 

[Biopsyman]

Dems could care less about education.. Its all about protecting the NEA union as a voting block.. DeVos wants to use federal money for charter schools.. The meltdown on the left is epic