Preston Williams test score flagged by NCAA

[BruinVol]

Hams said it was the NCAA. I find it hard to believe that the ACT folks, who administer their tests with some pretty iron clad policies to prevent testing fraud, would suddenly flag and call out a score that had to be taken when administered under their own scrutiny. They just turn the scores over after giving the tests in a secure environment. They have very little to do with it after that, other than sending that score in to whatever academic or athletic entities that need it.

Yea I don't know.

If the act doesn't flag scores then why would there ever be scores flagged for kids that aren't athletes???

 

[Kristy*]

Yea I don't know.

If the act doesn't flag scores then why would there ever be scores flagged for kids that aren't athletes???

Universities can flag them. And I believe the ACT can flag them too. I just don't think either of those things happened with Williams. Everything points to it being an NCAA issue.

 

[BruinVol]

Universities can flag them.

So let's start the rumor that tenn did this....

J/k

 

[Kristy*]

So let's start the rumor that tenn did this....

J/k

If it were Tennessee, he would have gotten flagged sooner. And he wouldn't be enrolled and taking classes. He wouldn't be working out in the team facilities. He's a student.

 

[Wolfeman_Vol]

Yea I don't know.

If the act doesn't flag scores then why would there ever be scores flagged for kids that aren't athletes???

I would think that might be the university flagging them after receiving their sets of scores and seeing a questionable jump. Maybe? That's the only thing I can think of. If their people securely administered the test, then the ACT folks should be confident that their policies maintain the integrity of the results. That's why I am of the opinion that it must be an outside source, the NCAA, pulling this. Either way, I think we agree that it's some BS to hold kids hostage for making an improvement before its proven that they cheated.

 

[BruinVol]

I would think that might be the university flagging them after receiving their sets of scores and seeing a questionable jump. Maybe? That's the only thing I can think of. If their people securely administered the test, then the ACT folks should be confident that their policies maintain the integrity of the results. That's why I am of the opinion that it must be an outside source, the NCAA, pulling this. Either way, I think we agree that it's some BS to hold kids hostage for making an improvement before its proven that they cheated.

It's taking too long for sure if the circumstances are as they seem

 

[Kristy*]

". . .a student’s test could be triggered in one of several ways, including an audit that flags scores that have risen dramatically, or by a tip from outside parties, such as a guidance counselor, college admissions officer or NCAA official.

Test supervisors also report any irregularities that occur on the day of the test. And both organizations have anonymous hotlines which anyone can call with information about breaches in test security."

"For the ACT, if the new composite score is no more than 3 points lower than the questioned score, then the questioned scores are deemed valid, Colby said."

"*The student is given a chance by both organizations to provide an explanation and documentation of how the scores jumped.

*Students can decide to cancel the scores, which is not seen by ACT or ETS as an admission of guilt. The ACT and the ETS can also decide unilaterally to cancel the test scores, and notify the student (who can request arbitration from an independent party if desired) as well as the schools that received the scores."

The Answer Sheet - When kids cheat on SAT, ACT

 

[508mikey]

The testing center is the hold up. NCAA was still waiting. Not sure they have results yet but was definitely told testing center was the holdup.

 

[BruinVol]

". . .a student’s test could be triggered in one of several ways, including an audit that flags scores that have risen dramatically, or by a tip from outside parties, such as a guidance counselor, college admissions officer or NCAA official.

Test supervisors also report any irregularities that occur on the day of the test. And both organizations have anonymous hotlines which anyone can call with information about breaches in test security."

"For the ACT, if the new composite score is no more than 3 points lower than the questioned score, then the questioned scores are deemed valid, Colby said."

"*The student is given a chance by both organizations to provide an explanation and documentation of how the scores jumped.

*Students can decide to cancel the scores, which is not seen by ACT or ETS as an admission of guilt. The ACT and the ETS can also decide unilaterally to cancel the test scores, and notify the student (who can request arbitration from an independent party if desired) as well as the schools that received the scores."

The Answer Sheet - When kids cheat on SAT, ACT

Yep it's pretty clear it could have been flagged from a variety of places,

Act, NCAA amongst others. We likely won't ever know

 

[BruinVol]

Didn't Matthews say he could stay on campus and take the test a few more times just not practice with the team?

I didn't hear that but that surprising me unless he is removed from scholarship.

I would assume if this isnt resolved soon then he has to taken off of scholarship

 

[RockCityVol]

Because 5 stars don't redshirt.

^^^summed it up nicely.

 

[Kristy*]

Five-star WR Preston Williams awaits for the results of his latest ACT | FOX Sports

"Just before the opening of Tennessee's fall camp, Williams' latest ACT score was flagged by the NCAA, making him ineligible to suit up for the Big Orange until he could successfully retake the exam."



"The NCAA Clearinghouse red-flagged Williams' ACT score after a significant jump. His date to retake is expected to be set within 2 weeks."

— Jimmy Hyams (@JimmyHyams) July 31, 2015



There are a number of ways a score could have been flagged, but his was flagged by the NCAA.

 

[ETvol2015]

the problem with that is let's say he is cleared to practice in October. With only 20 hours of coaching players and having to prepare each week for games, there is no time for staff / players to work with Williams to integrate him into the offense or get him game ready. It takes lots of reps to get timing down and for him to learn the routes.

They could let him return kicks or have one or two plays a game he could execute. but that would be about it until bowl practice when they have a lot more time. All this time he is currently missing is very costly to learning what he needs to know.

So the question they have to answer, is it more valuable to redshirt him or use him once or twice a game this year?

There is no guarantee right now he will be good enough to go pro in 3 years. Seen lot come through here as 5 stars that never made it to NFL and many who never produced here. Can find lots at other schools also.

Put him in on some slants, screens, and fades. Maybe even drop the slants cause that's a big timing route

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I highly doubt that Preston would be in uniform for the team picture, let alone walking the sidelines at the open practice wearing the new camp gear if Butch didn't have a good idea he was going to be eligible.

this seems a very safe position.

 

[fundamentals83]

Really this may be a blessing for PW. Not sure that he is completely recovered and if he isn't this is giving him more time to get healthy. Could benefit him in the long run.

 

[CA_Vol]

Really this may be a blessing for PW. Not sure that he is completely recovered and if he isn't this is giving him more time to get healthy. Could benefit him in the long run.

What's this "long run" you speak of? I want my Preston Williams now!!!

 

[BruinVol]

Five-star WR Preston Williams awaits for the results of his latest ACT | FOX Sports

"Just before the opening of Tennessee's fall camp, Williams' latest ACT score was flagged by the NCAA, making him ineligible to suit up for the Big Orange until he could successfully retake the exam."



"The NCAA Clearinghouse red-flagged Williams' ACT score after a significant jump. His date to retake is expected to be set within 2 weeks."

— Jimmy Hyams (@JimmyHyams) July 31, 2015



There are a number of ways a score could have been flagged, but his was flagged by the NCAA.

Likely correct but other reports said otherwise. Hard to bet against Doug Mathews with his track record though.

 

[Kristy*]

Likely correct but other reports said otherwise. Hard to bet against Doug Mathews with his track record though.

Link?

I would never bet against Jimmy Hyams! He may be slow "breaking" the news, but it's mainly because he makes sure it's accurate and from reliable and/or multiple sources before reporting.

 

[BruinVol]

Link?

I would never bet against Jimmy Hyams! He may be slow "breaking" the news, but it's mainly because he makes sure it's accurate and from reliable and/or multiple sources before reporting.

Jimmy has been fabulous lately. I agree it's hard to bet against him as well. He broke this story and others

Mathews said it on his show the weekend after it happened. He could have been wrong for sure but his track record is equally as good as Jimmy's has been lately

 

[Kristy*]

Jimmy has been fabulous lately. I agree it's hard to bet against him as well. He broke this story and others

Mathews said it on his show the weekend after it happened. He could have been wrong for sure but his track record is equally as good as Jimmy's has been lately

Well, I'm going to stick with the information I have. You are the only one I've seen say anything otherwise. And you are basing this on a radio show from more than 4 weeks ago. You could have heard wrong or remember wrong. Either way, I didn't hear it, and I can't find anything to corroborate it.

 

[BruinVol]

Well, I'm going to stick with the information I have. You are the only one I've seen say anything otherwise. And you are basing this on a radio show from more than 4 weeks ago. You could have heard wrong or remember wrong. Either way, I didn't hear it, and I can't find anything to corroborate it.

I thought I remembered seeing it in print from another source but I could certainly be wrong on that but I am 100% sure Mathews said this wasn't an NCAA flagged score on his show.

Now he could be wrong and yes this was only days after the news broke

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

I highly doubt that Preston would be in uniform for the team picture, let alone walking the sidelines at the open practice wearing the new camp gear if Butch didn't have a good idea he was going to be eligible.

Florida State took team pics for 2015 both with & without Dalvin Cook. The circumstances are different though..

 

[JDisThereThere]

Universities as a whole, have given way too much power to the NCAA. The fact that he is being punished because he presumably worked hard and brought his score out of the gutter is complete BS. I would say that if it were any student athlete at any university. Unless they can provide any other indicators that he cheated in any way, I dont see how they can justify making him ineligible.

This is exactly how I've felt during this whole process. I don't think there is anyway this would actually hold up in court.

Judge: "So why has this young man's test score been flagged?"
NCAA: "Well he took the test twice, and on the second time his score jumped significantly which indicates to us that he cheated."
Judge: "That's quite an accusation. Do you have any prove that he actually cheated other than his second score being higher than the first."
NCAA: "Uh… Well.. No, bu.. but.. I mean he had to of cheated, right?
Judge: "Well, believe me when I say that I've seen it all, and anything is entirely possible. Yet in this country, we do not convict someone of a crime unless sufficient evidence is provided that proves that they actually commited said crime. So again, where is your evidence?
NCAA: "Well.. uh… I mean evidence, smevidence… He… He had to of cheated right, how else do you explain the score jumping so much?"
Judge: "Perhaps he studied more, you f***ing ignoramus. Get the f*** out of my court room until you get some actual evidence that cheating did take place, you dingbats. Mr. Williams is hereby ruled eligible. Case closed."



But seriously, they have to know who the proctor was for the test, and who was responsible for grading it. Couldn't they track them down, and ask them if they think he cheated. Like you said BearCat, unless solid evidence is provided, I don't see how than can rule a kid ineligible purely based on speculation. That isn't how it is supposed to work.

This isn't how it works in other NCAA investigations. For example, when they accuse someone of taking benefits they actually have to prove it. Even though it seems like they do prove it sometimes *cough* Cam Newton *cough*, and then still do nothing about it. Just so f***ing inconsistent (and probably corrupt) its not even funny.

 

[CDCman]

I have never heard of them flagging a kid that doesn't play a major college sport.

 

[Vol8188]

I have never heard of them flagging a kid that doesn't play a major college sport.

Why would anyone report on a non athletes test score?