Pro-Gay Video Shown in Schools

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666 said:
Sexuality isn't a choice. You can't change your sexuality. You can develop different tastes over time or find desires you didn't know you had. Why do you think so many pedophiles are repeat offenders? You can't change their sexual nature through any amount of therapy. The same goes for heterosexuals and homosexuals.
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Are you saying, by this statement, that it could be a mental issue? If so, they have found no evidence that it is a mental deficiency that causes someone to be homosexual.

Also, pedophiles are repeat offenders because they didnt kill them after they committed the first one.
 
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turambar85 said:
Learn something about the subject before you talk about it! First, the conservative christian agenda has been, over the centuries, to condemn homosexuals, and to punish (often harshly) those who have been openly gay. In more modern times, they have at least tried to get them to "go straight". With that, gay people have been having straight sex for centuries - small wonder that it is increasing in virulence? What a mystery!

Also, the homosexual gene may be "piggy-backing" on another gene that is actually beneficial for reproducing, and that it is activated by other genes, etc. It isn't that bloody cut and dry.
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Major was Biology. Also, if it were a gene, then you would have at least a person, or persons, in other generations of that family, that were also Homosexual. I would lend it more to enviromental issues.
All embryos start out as female. Certain enviromental conditions such as temperature in the womb and which chromosome(x or y) the sperm that fertilized the egg carried, determines whether or not that embryo will continue to be female or become male.
Other aspects that could influence this could be drug and alcohol consumption by the mother in the early stages of the embryonic development. Drug abuse by the father prior to sexual activity, which could be carried with his sperm during fertilization of the egg.
Then you need to take into account, enviromental factors outside the womb. Did the person have a domineering father? mother? Were they sexually, physically, or mentally abused or a combination of the three? Did they have a bad experience with the opposite sex?
It is just easy for people to blame it on something they have no control over(gene) than to try and find the real truth to what makes a person homosexual.
 
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emainvol said:
I hate to get back into this argument, but there has been no conclusive proof one way or another.
Most of what we have to go on is anecdotal evidence.
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All of what the homosexual community has to go on is false hope of a biological reason for the choice they have made.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
Homosexuality isn't a gene. That's my point. That's great that you think it is, it really is. But that doesn't make it any less wrong. And I'm sure you know all these gay people that were forced to have straight sex, not just making it all up to support your argument. But hey, don't let common sense and facts get in the way of proving your point.
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many of the homosexuals i know exhibited behavior not generally associated with their gender at the todler age and most had relatives that were homosexuals too.
 
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Volnissniss said:
Thank GOD we live in conservative ville N. GA/E TN... I would FLIP if my kids saw this. Hand to God this is one of the reasons we left Atlanta after having our first born. I know I have no control over what is going to happen but I just don't want this to be an acceptable option. It's such bull sh** that we can't pray but we can sure enough comfort our homosexuals in school... seems a little messed up. I could string along some slang my friends over this issue. Believe me, yes my oldest is in a public school b/c it is extremely close and financially right now it's working but I am perched and ready to yank him out the second anything like this happens. Pisses me off.
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So I'm just guessing here - but if your oldest child showed up for the Christmas family dinner with a same sex partner it wouldn't go over well. Right?
 
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if it was a choice i'd imagine those who grew up very religious and desperately want to be straight would be able to be "cured."
 
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droski said:
if it was a choice i'd imagine those who grew up very religious and desperately want to be straight would be able to be "cured."
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Yep. But it's not one, and they can't. I can't get over all the closeminded bumpkins going on and on about the 'Evil Gays'. I don't see the problem with a bit of live and let live.
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CountVolcula said:
Regardless of your religious beliefs, homosexuality is against the laws of nature. Also, its not caused by a gene, its a chose. If it was a gene, nature would have rid itself of it. Homosexuals cannot reproduce and therefore cannot pass on the gene that would have made them Homosexual.
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So many things wrong with this. Homosexuality is no more against the laws of nature than any number of factors that would hurt/stop an individual from reproducing.

All because a genetic cause of homosexuality hasn't been found doesn't mean it definitely isn't there, all because it is a choice doesn't mean it is inherently wrong. Considering homosexual behavior has been observed throughout the animal kingdom, don't know that I would call it a "choice." Unless animals make choices.

All because something inhibits direct reproduction doesn't mean it will be eliminated from the gene pool. Example: every genetic disease known to man. Or stupidity. Or ugliness. Bad teeth. Etc. By your logic, cerebral palsy is a choice.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Yep. But it's not one, and they can't. I can't get over all the closeminded bumpkins going on and on about the 'Evil Gays'. I don't see the problem with a bit of live and let live.
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Pretty much the conclusion I have arrived at.
 
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IPorange said:
So many things wrong with this. Homosexuality is no more against the laws of nature than any number of factors that would hurt/stop an individual from reproducing.

All because a genetic cause of homosexuality hasn't been found doesn't mean it definitely isn't there, all because it is a choice doesn't mean it is inherently wrong. Considering homosexual behavior has been observed throughout the animal kingdom, don't know that I would call it a "choice." Unless animals make choices.

All because something inhibits direct reproduction doesn't mean it will be eliminated from the gene pool. Example: every genetic disease known to man. Or stupidity. Or ugliness. Bad teeth. Etc. By your logic, cerebral palsy is a choice.
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good point. are "barren" women also a crime against god?
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Yep. But it's not one, and they can't. I can't get over all the closeminded bumpkins going on and on about the 'Evil Gays'. I don't see the problem with a bit of live and let live.
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Well said. Live and let live. As long as it doesn't intrude on me or anybody else, what do I care.

As for the video in schools, it is a huge fail.
 
#38
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IPorange said:
So many things wrong with this. Homosexuality is no more against the laws of nature than any number of factors that would hurt/stop an individual from reproducing.

All because a genetic cause of homosexuality hasn't been found doesn't mean it definitely isn't there, all because it is a choice doesn't mean it is inherently wrong. Considering homosexual behavior has been observed throughout the animal kingdom, don't know that I would call it a "choice." Unless animals make choices.

All because something inhibits direct reproduction doesn't mean it will be eliminated from the gene pool. Example: every genetic disease known to man. Or stupidity. Or ugliness. Bad teeth. Etc. By your logic, cerebral palsy is a choice.
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There is no doubt that homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. What I think myself, and a majority of people are turned off about is the attempted "normalization" of it, when it is not normal behavior. When the mass media and Hollywood attempt to betray homosexuality as "normal" are they saying heterosexual behavior is abnormal. You cant call them both normal. Also, if nature dictates for a species to survive and continue, that male and female come together to reproduce, then what part of homosexuality is not against what nature has planned. If humans, today, became a totally homosexual species, what would stop it from becoming extinct?

Also, thanks for not calling me out on "chose" when it should have been "choice". I should have "chose" better. Instead I made a bad "choice".
 
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CountVolcula said:
There is no doubt that homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. What I think myself, and a majority of people are turned off about is the attempted "normalization" of it, when it is not normal behavior. When the mass media and Hollywood attempt to betray homosexuality as "normal" are they saying heterosexual behavior is abnormal. You cant call them both normal. Also, if nature dictates for a species to survive and continue, that male and female come together to reproduce, then what part of homosexuality is not against what nature has planned. If humans, today, became a totally homosexual species, what would stop it from becoming extinct?

Also, thanks for not calling me out on "chose" when it should have been "choice". I should have "chose" better. Instead I made a bad "choice".
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why?
 
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Not sure why everyone is assuming one particular gene would control something as complex as sexuality, or that said gene would necessarily obey Mendelian genetics, or that it wouldn't be a recessive gene.
 
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rjd970 said:
Well said. Live and let live. As long as it doesn't intrude on me or anybody else, what do I care.

As for the video in schools, it is a huge fail.
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I do agree on this point. As long as you aren't inconveniencing me in any way, do what you want. I may not agree with it, but honestly I don't really care what other people do.
 
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droski said:
many of the homosexuals i know exhibited behavior not generally associated with their gender at the todler age and most had relatives that were homosexuals too.
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I agree. I have also asked a few gays if their lifestyle is a choice or genetic, and the majority of them say something along the lines of "why would I choose to live this way?"
 
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We simply do not know and understand the reasons some people are homosexual. There is much work to be done on the subject. My guess is there are a number of reasons and not one in particular. For example there may very well be a gene or genes responsible for some. I think there are some environmental factors that may be at work as well and there is some work being done on both of these factors.

Some gay people are that way by choice and others seem to have been born that way or at least predisposed.

I think the key to understanding homosexuality is first to better understand the forces that drive pedophiles, S&M, heterosexual relationships, homosexual relationships along with other form of sexual desires outside of the mainstream. For the record I am not saying that homosexuals and pedophiles have anything in common, just that we need to better understand what drives the preferences and desires of particular groups to better understand what drives them.
 
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#45
Homosexuality is like a lot of things people do and choose to live doing. It's the path of least resistance ans what feels good to them. Plus, they just want to feel loved like everyone else. So, it is a choice based on the fact that they can feel love by the opposite sex and not feel weird about doing things against nature. Does that make it right?? Not in about 90% of the population's eyes. Thing is, we can't do anything about it to make it stop, but they are doing everything they can to make sure that our kids know that it OK to be gay and are kind of recruiting for it, IMO, by showing that video in schools. I don't agree with it AT ALL, but I also don't agree with the recruitment videos either. Thing is, they want to try and pass on the gay gene idea so that way people can be at peace with their decision to do what is against nature. I am a Christian, and I don't have to answer for their trespasses, but if they try and recruit my daughter I will be damned if I stand by and watch. BTW, for all those that think it's an OK lifestyle, would you be OK if your child came home and said I am gay at 12 years old or even as an adult?? Would you propitiate the lifestyle even though you are straight??
 
#46
#46
They can't recuit your daughter you fool. She's either gay or she isn't
 
#47
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
BTW, for all those that think it's an OK lifestyle, would you be OK if your child came home and said I am gay at 12 years old or even as an adult?? Would you propitiate the lifestyle even though you are straight??
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yes. i'd prefer the kid to be straight so he/she can have as normal as a lifestyle as possible, but i certainly would be ok with it.
 
#48
#48
Lol @ the notion of gays "recruiting".

g8terh8ter_eric said:
BTW, for all those that think it's an OK lifestyle, would you be OK if your child came home and said I am gay at 12 years old or even as an adult?? Would you propitiate the lifestyle even though you are straight??
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No, I wouldn't necessarily be okay with it, but it's not my life. I would still love he or she the same.

Alienating gays because of their lifestyle is ridiculous to me, especially if it's your own child. I'm 100% convinced that it isn't a choice for them, at least most of them. I don't know if it's something genetic or something they experience very early in their childhood, but condemning them for pursuing their own happiness (that does no harm to others) is just morally wrong.
 
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TheMayja said:
Lol @ the notion of gays "recruiting".



No, I wouldn't necessarily be okay with it, but it's not my life. I would still love he or she the same.

Alienating gays because of their lifestyle is ridiculous to me, especially if it's your own child. I'm 100% convinced that it isn't a choice for them, at least most of them. I don't know if it's something genetic or something they experience very early in their childhood, but condemning them for pursuing their own happiness (that does no harm to others) is just morally wrong.
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+1

I can go with this.
 
#50
#50
I am far from the expert, but the way I see it is that thinking someone "chooses" to be gay by default means that the majority of us also "choose" to be straight... don't know about the rest of you, but I don't remember making that choice.

That said, a gay person deserves to be loved as much as anyone else... we are all sinners (or for the atheists and agnostics... we all have our own faults).
 
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