Pro Life Activist Acquitted

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McDad said:
To be clear, we're specifically talking about attacking your son verbally.

If so, teaching your son to use violence when someone uses harsh words is not good parenting.
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It would depend entirely on the situation and whether they are speaking words or actually threatening. Body language plays a big part as well. But I would absolutely put myself between them and my son

Teaching then how to deal with an actual threat is not bad parenting. Interesting how quickly you got to that one though
 
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OrangeTsar said:
For myself, sure. My kids are another matter
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Unfortunately, you will not always be around to protect your child with violence from ugly words. Far better for you to teach the skill of handling the ugliness internally rather than teaching them to cope with violence.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If you commit violence on somebody for saying words then you need to be prepared to take some punishment.
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That's not an absolute either. There are words and there are threats. If I feel like I am unable to get out of the situation safely then it's defense
 
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McDad said:
Unfortunately, you will not always be around to protect your child with violence from ugly words. Far better for you to teach the skill of handling the ugliness internally rather than teaching them to cope with violence.
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I am teaching them both since they are both valid and necessary at times. Your argument assumes them to be completely non violent as well which is absurd
 
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utvolpj said:
It would depend entirely on the situation and whether they are speaking words or actually threatening. Body language plays a big part as well. But I would absolutely put myself between them and my son

Teaching then how to deal with an actual threat is not bad parenting. Interesting how quickly you got to that one though
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The response you referenced clearly stated violence in retaliation to words. Now, you are adding in nuance. Nuance I agree with, by the way.
If you want to change the flavor by teaching about responding to threats, I'm game.
 
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utvolpj said:
I am teaching them both since they are both valid and necessary at times. Your argument assumes them to be completely non violent as well which is absurd
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You have inferred an argument I have not made.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If you commit violence on somebody for saying words then you need to be prepared to take some punishment.
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I'm willing to agree with this, there are consequences for actions....... But to send what amounts to a federal swat team to your house on a hyper inflated charge, weapons drawn, for a simple battery?

This should have been handled by local cops serving a summons to appear. He should have been charged with simple battery, and if they had he'd have likely been found guilty.

Instead they treated him like he was the antagonist, an out of control maniac terrorizing abortion clinics........ Because they went overboard the jury saw it was a farce and a complete government overreach. They tried to make an example out of him.
 
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McDad said:
The response you referenced clearly stated violence in retaliation to words. Now, you are adding in nuance. Nuance I agree with, by the way.
If you want to change the flavor by teaching about responding to threats, I'm game.
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Exactly what words? Why do you assume they weren't threatening?

No I simply read the situation. If you approach my child like that then you are a threat until you prove you're not.
 
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hog88 said:
Someone so unhinged to go out of their way to yell at a kid you just don't know what they might do next so it's IMO a justifiable shove to remove the threat. Had the old man been accosting the father I would feel differently.
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Something tells me if the guy that got pushed was wearing a Maga hat, things would be looked at differently.
 
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I took on a study of MLK jr related to my work last year. Something I didn't know about the civil rights era is that black people put their peaceful protesters through role play exercises. Things like yelling in their face, calling them every slur, blowing cigarette smoke in their face, etc.

I think the civil rights movement would have been far different had the protesters responded with violence.

Possibly related, I heard a story about Tiger Wood's father (James??) doing the same to Tiger with ugly words and names to prepare his mind for the professional tour. I've wondered if he picked that up from the civil rights era prepping black people for what was to come.
 
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hog88 said:
You also need to teach them how to be violent when necessary.
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Agreed. Threats of violence, feeling of imminent harm, trusting their gut about when it's about to get rough are as valid as teaching them to not allow others to control their emotions with ugly words.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yep I read your posts daily

Why try to steer this toward something it's not? Just discuss the subject
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And I read your propaganda on a daily basis.

How is pointing the lefts hypocrisy not valid here?

Also, I'm sure you were going after all those Obama hat wearing folks back in the day. Your true colors show through yet again. 🤣
 
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McDad said:
Agreed. Threats of violence, feeling of imminent harm, trusting their gut about when it's about to get rough are as valid as teaching them to not allow others to control their emotions with ugly words.
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I agree and we will never know if the dad felt imminent harm and his gut was telling him to act. The old man did go out of his way to confront a kid who was doing nothing to him so I could see how he felt the guy was a threat.
 
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McDad said:
I took on a study of MLK jr related to my work last year. Something I didn't know about the civil rights era is that black people put their peaceful protesters through role play exercises. Things like yelling in their face, calling them every slur, blowing cigarette smoke in their face, etc.

I think the civil rights movement would have been far different had the protesters responded with violence.

Possibly related, I heard a story about Tiger Wood's father (James??) doing the same to Tiger with ugly words and names to prepare his mind for the professional tour. I've wondered if he picked that up from the civil rights era prepping black people for what was to come.
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Basically followed the Branch Rickey playbook

Prior to Jackie Robinson making his debut, Branch Rickey cautioned Robinson about the things that would inevitably happen as a result of him taking the field. He told Robinson “I’m looking for a guy that will have the ability to not fight back”. Sure enough, Robinson faced death threats, racial slurs, and having objects thrown at him by fans, but he would take Rickey’s advice to heart.

Branch Rickey: The Man Who Supported Jackie Robinson And The Integration Of Baseball
 
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StarRaider said:
Basically followed the Branch Rickey playbook

Prior to Jackie Robinson making his debut, Branch Rickey cautioned Robinson about the things that would inevitably happen as a result of him taking the field. He told Robinson “I’m looking for a guy that will have the ability to not fight back”. Sure enough, Robinson faced death threats, racial slurs, and having objects thrown at him by fans, but he would take Rickey’s advice to heart.

Branch Rickey: The Man Who Supported Jackie Robinson And The Integration Of Baseball
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JR was a hell of a man.
 
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