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Georgia Code Title 21. Elections § 21-2-385 | FindLaw
(a) At any time after receiving an official absentee ballot, but before the day of the primary or election, except electors who are confined to a hospital on the day of the primary or election, the elector shall vote his or her absentee ballot, then fold the ballot and enclose and securely seal the same in the envelope on which is printed “Official Absentee Ballot.” This envelope shall then be placed in the second one, on which is printed the form of the oath of the elector; the name and oath of the person assisting, if any; and other required identifying information. The elector shall then fill out, subscribe, and swear to the oath printed on such envelope. Such envelope shall then be securely sealed and the elector shall then personally mail or personally deliver same to the board of registrars or absentee ballot clerk, provided that mailing or delivery may be made by the elector's mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, or an individual residing in the household of such elector. The absentee ballot of a disabled elector may be mailed or delivered by the caregiver of such disabled elector, regardless of whether such caregiver resides in such disabled elector's household. The absentee ballot of an elector who is in custody in a jail or other detention facility may be mailed or delivered by any employee of such jail or facility having custody of such elector. An elector who is confined to a hospital on a primary or election day to whom an absentee ballot is delivered by the registrar or absentee ballot clerk shall then and there vote the ballot, seal it properly, and return it to the registrar or absentee ballot clerk. If the elector registered to vote for the first time in this state by mail and has not previously provided the identification required by Code Section 21-2-220 and votes for the first time by absentee ballot and fails to provide the identification required by Code Section 21-2-220 with such absentee ballot, such absentee ballot shall be treated as a provisional ballot and shall be counted only if the registrars are able to verify the identification and registration of the elector during the time provided pursuant to Code Section 21-2-419 .
The person rendering assistance to the elector in preparing the ballot shall sign the oath printed on the same envelope as the oath to be signed by the elector. Any person who willfully violates this subsection shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years or to pay a fine not to exceed $100,000.00, or both, for each such violation.
You are talking about preparing the ballot. That is what is meant by "rendering assistance". I'm talking about delivering an already completed ballot to a drop box for family members.Wrong.
Georgia Code Title 21. Elections § 21-2-385 | FindLaw
(a) At any time after receiving an official absentee ballot, but before the day of the primary or election, except electors who are confined to a hospital on the day of the primary or election, the elector shall vote his or her absentee ballot, then fold the ballot and enclose and securely seal the same in the envelope on which is printed “Official Absentee Ballot.” This envelope shall then be placed in the second one, on which is printed the form of the oath of the elector; the name and oath of the person assisting, if any; and other required identifying information. The elector shall then fill out, subscribe, and swear to the oath printed on such envelope. Such envelope shall then be securely sealed and the elector shall then personally mail or personally deliver same to the board of registrars or absentee ballot clerk, provided that mailing or delivery may be made by the elector's mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, or an individual residing in the household of such elector. The absentee ballot of a disabled elector may be mailed or delivered by the caregiver of such disabled elector, regardless of whether such caregiver resides in such disabled elector's household. The absentee ballot of an elector who is in custody in a jail or other detention facility may be mailed or delivered by any employee of such jail or facility having custody of such elector. An elector who is confined to a hospital on a primary or election day to whom an absentee ballot is delivered by the registrar or absentee ballot clerk shall then and there vote the ballot, seal it properly, and return it to the registrar or absentee ballot clerk. If the elector registered to vote for the first time in this state by mail and has not previously provided the identification required by Code Section 21-2-220 and votes for the first time by absentee ballot and fails to provide the identification required by Code Section 21-2-220 with such absentee ballot, such absentee ballot shall be treated as a provisional ballot and shall be counted only if the registrars are able to verify the identification and registration of the elector during the time provided pursuant to Code Section 21-2-419 .
The person rendering assistance to the elector in preparing the ballot shall sign the oath printed on the same envelope as the oath to be signed by the elector. Any person who willfully violates this subsection shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than one nor more than ten years or to pay a fine not to exceed $100,000.00, or both, for each such violation.
You are talking about preparing the ballot. That is what is meant by "rendering assistance". I'm talking about delivering an already completed ballot to a drop box for family members.
Once again, if you don't know who those ballots belonged to (and you don't!) then you have no proof that the people shown in those two videos, were doing anything illegal. "Satisfactory proof" would only need to be shown if the ballot in question belonged to a disabled voter... and for all you know, those ballots belonged to able-bodied voters, who weren't in the hospital. If that is the case, then it was perfectly legal for those people to do what they were doing - assuming those ballots belonged to their family members.What is satisfactory proof? I would assume this means whoever is delivering the ballots needs to provide some type of proof that they are indeed an allowed family member.
2014 Georgia Code :: Title 21 - ELECTIONS :: Chapter 2 - ELECTIONS AND PRIMARIES GENERALLY :: Article 10 - ABSENTEE VOTING :: § 21-2-385 - Procedure for voting by absentee ballot; advance voting
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In Georgia, a voter with a physical disability may have their absentee ballot returned by a family member (defined by the law) or a household member. Voters confined to a hospital can vote an absentee ballot immediately upon delivery by a registrar or absentee ballot clerk and return it to the official.
The law states that absentee ballot "delivery by a physically disabled elector may be made by any adult person upon satisfactory proof that such adult person is such elector's mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, or an individual residing in the household of such disabled elector. An elector who is confined to a hospital on a primary or election day to whom an absentee ballot is delivered by the registrar or absentee ballot clerk shall then and there vote the ballot, seal it properly, and return it to the registrar or absentee ballot clerk."
If they had been wearing a red hat would you have known?Once again, if you don't know who those ballots belonged to (and you don't!) then you have no proof that the people shown in those two videos, were doing anything illegal. "Satisfactory proof" would only need to be shown if the ballot in question belonged to a disabled voter... and for all you know, those ballots belonged to able-bodied voters, who weren't in the hospital. If that is the case, then it was perfectly legal for those people to do what they were doing - assuming those ballots belonged to their family members.
We aren't talking about voters who need assistance filling out their ballots here, and we are not talking about voters who are physically disabled either - because you can't prove that was the case. We are talking only about family members who were collecting completed ballots and taking them to their appropriate designated ballot drop box.
It really does seem like you have a hard time admitting when you are wrong... and you definitely are.
Once again, if you don't know who those ballots belonged to (and you don't!) then you have no proof that the people shown in those two videos, were doing anything illegal. "Satisfactory proof" would only need to be shown if the ballot in question belonged to a disabled voter... and for all you know, those ballots belonged to able-bodied voters, who weren't in the hospital. If that is the case, then it was perfectly legal for those people to do what they were doing - assuming those ballots belonged to their family members.
We aren't talking about voters who need assistance filling out their ballots here, and we are not talking about voters who are physically disabled either - because you can't prove that was the case. We are talking only about family members who were collecting completed ballots and taking them to their appropriate designated ballot drop box.
It really does seem like you have a hard time admitting when you are wrong... and you definitely are.
We aren't talking about voters who need assistance filling out their ballots here, and we are not talking about voters who are physically disabled either - because you can't prove that was the case. We are talking only about family members who were collecting completed ballots and taking them to their appropriate designated ballot drop box.
I don't know what your problem is, but this passage couldn't be any clearer.The elector shall then fill out, subscribe, and swear to the oath printed on such envelope. Such envelope shall then be securely sealed and the elector shall then personally mail or personally deliver same to the board of registrars or absentee ballot clerk, provided that mailing or delivery may be made by the elector's mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, or an individual residing in the household of such elector.
As far as this sentence which you had placed in bold was concerned, "assisting" only applied to voters who needed assistance with preparing their ballot. It does not refer to voters who were having their ballots either mailed or hand delivered by a family member. "If any" should serve as an indicator that not everyone who was having their ballot mailed or hand delivered by a family member needed to have that family member sign the oath. You apparently missed that.the name and oath of the person assisting, if any; and other required identifying information.
This is a ridiculous post. It's very simple:
1) Mark Meadows was registered to vote in Virginia, and had voted in Virginia in 2016.
2) Meadows then registered to vote in North Carolina in 2020, using an address to a property that he doesn't own and has never resided. Meadows voted in North Carolina for the 2020 election cycle.
3) ... and then he switched back to voting in Virginia last November for the Governor's Election.
You don't get to have multiple registrations and pick which one to use based on the importance of the contest to your political party. Hence the reason that Meadows was purged from the North Carolina voting rolls.
"One man, one vote" may be a central tenet of election law, but there are other ways to commit election fraud than by voting twice.See, this is where it is clear you don’t understand the central tenet of election law, namely, one man one vote.
Now I don’t know specifics of election law in NC or VA but the general concept is that having an incorrect registration is not a crime. Voting 2x in the same election is, however.
The reasoning being that people make errors and omissions unknowingly in registration, since the law can be complex, especially with changes of address or party. But everyone should know Damn well it is wrong to vote 2x and thus mens rea is established. Same thing with a dead person “voting”.
That doesn’t mean votes with incorrect registrations should be counted and that, depending on circumstances, the voter could be guilty of a VIOLATION. unless there is an extenuating circumstance, however, like trying to falsely establish residence to run for office, it is not a CRIME and I have NEVER seen it prosecuted as such. Probably because without circumstances, it is too hard to establish that it wasn’t simply a misunderstanding.
See, this is where it is clear you don’t understand the central tenet of election law, namely, one man one vote.
Now I don’t know specifics of election law in NC or VA but the general concept is that having an incorrect registration is not a crime. Voting 2x in the same election is, however.
The reasoning being that people make errors and omissions unknowingly in registration, since the law can be complex, especially with changes of address or party. But everyone should know Damn well it is wrong to vote 2x and thus mens rea is established. Same thing with a dead person “voting”.
That doesn’t mean votes with incorrect registrations should be counted and that, depending on circumstances, the voter could be guilty of a VIOLATION. unless there is an extenuating circumstance, however, like trying to falsely establish residence to run for office, it is not a CRIME and I have NEVER seen it prosecuted as such. Probably because without circumstances, it is too hard to establish that it wasn’t simply a misunderstanding.
Move on. The big lie flopped, no ones buying what you're selling.
You are missing the point. Mark Meadows is not being investigated for having multiple registrations. He clearly did, but that is easily rectified... and in this case, it already has been. Mark Meadows has been purged from the North Carolina voting rolls. It is true that nobody is ever prosecuted for having voter registrations in more than one state.Anybody who ever moved after being registered to vote would probably be "guilty" of being registered in multiple locations. The number of people who notify registration officials that he/she is moving and should be removed from voting roll would have to be infinitesimal - like 1 divided by the speed of light squared. So he/she registers in the new place and perhaps is eventually purged (unless dems ban it) from the old place(s) - fast movers could be registered in several places all at once. There really needs to be a clearinghouse to clean up multiple registrations ... and remove the dead, but maybe it's just a win by not having a whole new bureaucracy in place.
"One man, one vote" may be a central tenet of election law, but there are other ways to commit election fraud than by voting twice.
^^^^^^ This is what Mark Meadows is being investigated for. ^^^^^^
- False registrations: Voting under fraudulent voter registrations that either use a phony name and a real or fake address or claim jurisdiction where the registration voter does not actually live and is not entitled to vote.
It is a crime. Regardless of what you are personally aware of, according to www.Heritage.org people have been prosecuted for false voter registrations. Admittedly, this is not a common occurrence, but it has happened. Now, every case is different, but a law-abiding, responsible citizen knows whether or not they have ever owned a specific property or ever actually lived at an address that they are listing on their voter registration form.
The issue here, centers around the fact that Republicans in Georgia, as well as Tucker Carlson of Fox News, have made a big deal of false registrations which are very similar in nature to what Mark Meadows also appears to have done in North Carolina.Moral of the story - even with in your face fraud with clear intent, none of the LEADERS ever go to jail, much less any of the people who mis-registered.
Thus, the bit on Meadows is a BS political hit piece because they know there will be nothing actionable come of it. If his wife stayed there and his stuff was there, he can make a very solid claim that he intended for that to serve as his main residence in between moving around. He could be lying but there is no reasonable way to tell and thus NO CASE AT ALL AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS KNOWS IT. The only ones who don't are the suckers repeating this as if it means something - you seem smarter than that.
The issue here, centers around the fact that Republicans in Georgia, as well as Tucker Carlson of Fox News, have made a big deal of false registrations which are very similar in nature to what Mark Meadows also appears to have done in North Carolina.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor-Greene has even gone as far as to suggest that an 82 year old black woman should go to prison because she actually lives in Chattanooga, Tennessee, but she used her daughter's home address in Fulton County, Georgia to register to vote in Georgia ... and then she cast her vote on November 3rd, 2020 in Fulton County.
* I made a point of referencing the woman's race, because every single person who Rep. Marjorie Taylor-Greene has accused of voter fraud in Georgia, just happens to be black.
The real "Moral of the story", is that if you don't want "hit pieces" thrown back at your own party leadership, then don't do this crap to normal, every-day citizens either.
Republicans, as well as Fox News, have been unable to prove that widespread voter fraud occurred in the 2020 elections.MTG is also just blowing smoke because she knows nothing is going to happen there either. If this is the stuff they are looking for to ensure that a repeat of 2020 election fraud wont happen again, then the GOP in GA should be promptly booted from the state, starting with Kemp. Granted, while Stacy Abrams shenanigans of having multiple people "snowbird" into the election rolls, it would not have been possible without the wholesale stupidity of allowing mail in ballots, drop boxes and bundling.
If people would have had to come into an election office to verify their identity, 95% of registration fraud would disappear. Require ID at the polls and another whole element of voter fraud would be non-existent. Then make absentee ballots rare and request only and poof, 98% of all cheating is stifled in the crib. Even I would have a tough time gaming around that.