Proof of the election fraud

Republicans, as well as Fox News, have been unable to prove that widespread voter fraud occurred in the 2020 elections.

Therefore, they have tried to frame false registrations as being a systemic problem, even though the number of provable examples are comparable to what is seen in most presidential election years. The circumstances involving Mark Meadows voter registration in North Carolina are making this narrative uncomfortable for the GOP. Hence the reason that Fox News has not reported the facts surrounding the Meadows investigation. It's embarrassing for them.

They couldn't prove it because most politicians wouldn't know how to wipe their own ass in running an election campaign. You don't ask a cop how to steal from a bank, you ask a very successful thief. But such people are not in the business of giving out advice. Local machines are generally too small and dont see enough action to really understand, especially in tiny town USA. To get real data you need to get a hatchet from a big city, where there are frequent, highly contestable elections (whether general or only primaries) with substantial money involved, so this guy can make a living every cycle. In every qualifying area, there are only a handful or two of those guys and they have absolutely NO interest whatsoever in shining light on their brilliant ideas.

Much of the evidence is gone by now but if I really wanted to find some and I had access, I could. I would simply figure out how I would have done it based on what assets would be available and work backwards, looking for sign.

Finding evidence, however, is not the problem, its presenting that evidence to a court that can determine such evidence constitutes PROOF of fraud that would have or could have been a determinant in (overturning) the election results.

Most of the problem therefore boils down to getting necessary access and to getting it into a court of competent jurisdiction.

As a side note, registration fraud is not necessarily all that helpful by itself. It needs to be paired with a good election day operations (a couple of busses) and absentee ops. Point is, you need to vote for them. Whole point of registering people who are iffy is so that you can monitor their participation levels and once they go dormant, you can start to vote "for them".
 
They couldn't prove it because most politicians wouldn't know how to wipe their own ass in running an election campaign. You don't ask a cop how to steal from a bank, you ask a very successful thief. But such people are not in the business of giving out advice. Local machines are generally too small and dont see enough action to really understand, especially in tiny town USA. To get real data you need to get a hatchet from a big city, where there are frequent, highly contestable elections (whether general or only primaries) with substantial money involved, so this guy can make a living every cycle. In every qualifying area, there are only a handful or two of those guys and they have absolutely NO interest whatsoever in shining light on their brilliant ideas.

Much of the evidence is gone by now but if I really wanted to find some and I had access, I could. I would simply figure out how I would have done it based on what assets would be available and work backwards, looking for sign.

Finding evidence, however, is not the problem, its presenting that evidence to a court that can determine such evidence constitutes PROOF of fraud that would have or could have been a determinant in (overturning) the election results.

Most of the problem therefore boils down to getting necessary access and to getting it into a court of competent jurisdiction.


As a side note, registration fraud is not necessarily all that helpful by itself. It needs to be paired with a good election day operations (a couple of busses) and absentee ops. Point is, you need to vote for them. Whole point of registering people who are iffy is so that you can monitor their participation levels and once they go dormant, you can start to vote "for them".

That's the Catch 22. You can't prove anything to the court without evidence, and you can't get a court to force access to evidence necessary to prove wrongdoing without evidence. You also have to presume someone within the system and having access still isn't free to do anything with election or registration data on his/her own. It's a perfect way to insure that corruption can't be uncovered. I've never had the impression that the best, brightest, unbiased, or most honest run election systems.
 
Finding evidence, however, is not the problem, its presenting that evidence to a court that can determine such evidence constitutes PROOF of fraud that would have or could have been a determinant in (overturning) the election results.

Most of the problem therefore boils down to getting necessary access and to getting it into a court of competent jurisdiction.
As far as the 2020 Presidential General Election was concerned, "most of the problem" revolved around the lack of credibility from the candidate who was making the accusations of fraud.

Donald Trump has made it clear in the past, that whenever an election doesn't completely turn out the way he wants it to (even when he wins), he will always allege that it was because fraud had occurred.

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1) During the 2016 Republican Party Primary, the only meaningful contest which Donald Trump lost, were the Iowa Caucuses in February to Ted Cruz. Without evidence to support his claim, Donald Trump immediately accused the 2016 Ted Cruz campaign of having cheated, and he called for another election in Iowa.

Donald Trump Accuses Ted Cruz of Stealing Iowa

Trump accuses Cruz of 'fraud,' calls for new Iowa election

Donald Trump wants Iowa rematch, accusing Cruz of 'fraud'


2) As we all know, Donald Trump won the 2016 Presidential General Election, by defeating Hillary Clinton. However, for reasons that only a narcissist would understand, it was still a sore spot for Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote than he did, even though that is completely meaningless within the framework of the United States system of elections, when it comes to choosing a president in the nationwide general election. Unsatisfied with his victory, Donald Trump once again, without evidence in support of his claim, alleged that fraud had occurred and Hillary Clinton had only received more total votes than he did because millions of illegal immigrants had voted - presumably, all for Clinton. Of course, Trump demanded a full investigation.

Trump, without evidence, says illegal voting cost him U.S. popular vote

Trump claims millions voted illegally in presidential poll

With No Evidence Donald Trump Says Millions Voted 'Illegally'

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Do you see a pattern here?

There simply isn't a scenario, even one in which Donald Trump wins, where he wouldn't claim without evidence, that fraud had occurred at the conclusion of every single one of his elections. It is a given that whenever Trump loses, he will always attribute the defeat to fraud, or to his opponent having cheated, somehow. Donald Trump is a habitual whiner, who loves to play the victim card. He also has an ego which won't allow him to ever concede that he lost an election legitimately. The facts, and what can actually be proven, are of no matter to Trump. Only Trump's pride and ego matter to him.

How can anyone take Donald Trump's claims seriously anymore?

Republicans have indulged Donald Trump's baseless allegations far more than they should have. It will hurt the Republican Party's case, if one of their candidates ever truly does lose an election due to fraud. The extent to which the Republican Party leadership and Republican Party voters have not only tolerated, but also supported Trump's baseless claims, has become utterly ridiculous.
 
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That's the Catch 22. You can't prove anything to the court without evidence, and you can't get a court to force access to evidence necessary to prove wrongdoing without evidence. You also have to presume someone within the system and having access still isn't free to do anything with election or registration data on his/her own. It's a perfect way to insure that corruption can't be uncovered. I've never had the impression that the best, brightest, unbiased, or most honest run election systems.

I have posted this before but this was as close to trying to game the system statewide as I could find. The democrats didn't get away with it in the state of Tennessee. I think it was a national strategy that worked in many states.

Tennessee Democratic Party, Marquita Bradshaw sue over absentee ballot info
 
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I have posted this before but this was as close to trying to game the system as I could find. The democrats didn't get away with it in the state of Tennessee. I think it was a national strategy that worked in many states.

Tennessee Democratic Party, Marquita Bradshaw sue over absentee ballot info
If that is the best you can come up with .... then that is very telling. That isn't fraud, or even necessarily anything illegal. I suppose you could call it "unethical", but you are kidding yourself if you think that only Democratic Party campaigns have tried this. Bradshaw wanted to know who had requested an absentee ballot, but had failed to turn it in, so her campaign could contact any of her prospective voters and get them to mail their ballot ... but unless you can prove that her campaign harvested any such ballots, you don't have a case of electoral misconduct.
 
If that is the best you can come up with .... then that is very telling. That isn't fraud, or even necessarily anything illegal. I suppose you could call it "unethical", but you are kidding yourself if you think that only Democratic Party campaigns have tried this. Bradshaw wanted to know who had requested an absentee ballot, but had failed to turn it in, so her campaign could contact any of her prospective voters and get them to mail their ballot ... but unless you can prove that her campaign harvested any such ballots, you don't have a case of electoral misconduct.

No they didn't get the chance to harvest. I told you that already. I do think this was an attempt by the democrat party.
 
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If that is the best you can come up with .... then that is very telling. That isn't fraud, or even necessarily anything illegal. I suppose you could call it "unethical", but you are kidding yourself if you think that only Democratic Party campaigns have tried this. Bradshaw wanted to know who had requested an absentee ballot, but had failed to turn it in, so her campaign could contact any of her prospective voters and get them to mail their ballot ... but unless you can prove that her campaign harvested any such ballots, you don't have a case of electoral misconduct.
Does your back ever hurt?
 
If that is the best you can come up with .... then that is very telling. That isn't fraud, or even necessarily anything illegal. I suppose you could call it "unethical", but you are kidding yourself if you think that only Democratic Party campaigns have tried this. Bradshaw wanted to know who had requested an absentee ballot, but had failed to turn it in, so her campaign could contact any of her prospective voters and get them to mail their ballot ... but unless you can prove that her campaign harvested any such ballots, you don't have a case of electoral misconduct.

Without the information, the campaign is "unable to learn which absentee voters need not be bothered about returning their ballots, and which voters may need contact from the campaign and further information," the lawsuit states.

In other words they want to force the issue. This would be like going up and down the line of people waiting to vote and encouraging some and discouraging others waiting or being allowed to walk someone through selecting the "right" candidates in the private voting booth. If you want to know your vote counted, vote in person. Absentee voting should be just that - limited and for people who are away like military. With voting season rather than voting day, there's little reason for absentee voting unless someone is military or away for extended business.
 
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You trumpers are the single most pathetic demographic in the country. I've never seen a group of people worship one man so blindly and vigorously like the red hat idiots of the good ol U S of A.

I wasn’t a Trump guy but I respect the cause. You will to when it’s dead.
 
As far as the 2020 Presidential General Election was concerned, "most of the problem" revolved around the lack of credibility from the candidate who was making the accusations of fraud.

Donald Trump has made it clear in the past, that whenever an election doesn't completely turn out the way he wants it to (even when he wins), he will always allege that it was because fraud had occurred.

**********************************************************

1) During the 2016 Republican Party Primary, the only meaningful contest which Donald Trump lost, were the Iowa Caucuses in February to Ted Cruz. Without evidence to support his claim, Donald Trump immediately accused the 2016 Ted Cruz campaign of having cheated, and he called for another election in Iowa.

Donald Trump Accuses Ted Cruz of Stealing Iowa

Trump accuses Cruz of 'fraud,' calls for new Iowa election

Donald Trump wants Iowa rematch, accusing Cruz of 'fraud'


2) As we all know, Donald Trump won the 2016 Presidential General Election, by defeating Hillary Clinton. However, for reasons that only a narcissist would understand, it was still a sore spot for Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton received more of the popular vote than he did, even though that is completely meaningless within the framework of the United States system of elections, when it comes to choosing a president in the nationwide general election. Unsatisfied with his victory, Donald Trump once again, without evidence in support of his claim, alleged that fraud had occurred and Hillary Clinton had only received more total votes than he did because millions of illegal immigrants had voted - presumably, all for Clinton. Of course, Trump demanded a full investigation.

Trump, without evidence, says illegal voting cost him U.S. popular vote

Trump claims millions voted illegally in presidential poll

With No Evidence Donald Trump Says Millions Voted 'Illegally'

**********************************************************

Do you see a pattern here?

There simply isn't a scenario, even one in which Donald Trump wins, where he wouldn't claim without evidence, that fraud had occurred at the conclusion of every single one of his elections. It is a given that whenever Trump loses, he will always attribute the defeat to fraud, or to his opponent having cheated, somehow. Donald Trump is a habitual whiner, who loves to play the victim card. He also has an ego which won't allow him to ever concede that he lost an election legitimately. The facts, and what can actually be proven, are of no matter to Trump. Only Trump's pride and ego matter to him.

How can anyone take Donald Trump's claims seriously anymore?

Republicans have indulged Donald Trump's baseless allegations far more than they should have. It will hurt the Republican Party's case, if one of their candidates ever truly does lose an election due to fraud. The extent to which the Republican Party leadership and Republican Party voters have not only tolerated, but also supported Trump's baseless claims, has become utterly ridiculous.
I could never come up with anything better than he is simply a horrendously despicable human.
I don't give a crap about his policies, he just sux as a person.......
and he's getting worse instead of better due to his worshipers completely enabling him.
 


That's where I have to vote if I need to vote early. I'm old enough to remember when it was a Wal-Mart!

As for the video, we can focus on a two people who are most likely just dropping off ballots for family members. Not a lot to get upset over. Mail-in ballots in general should be used quite sparingly. If you can't make it to the polls, with the amount of early voting days, maybe voting just isn't for you.
 
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Constitutional Freedom.

The media divided us. You were just one of the fools that fell for it.
Good grief man......there is no hope for some evidently.
 
Good grief man......there is no hope for some evidently.

Ok, I gave you 5 good reasons. You offer nothing. I’ll add safe cities, border security & no new wars. Again you and the joke administration offer nothing. We are run by a ghost President. America has never been more vulnerable than it is today.

Again, you’re a fool. Maybe you’ll grow a brain later in life.
 
That's the Catch 22. You can't prove anything to the court without evidence, and you can't get a court to force access to evidence necessary to prove wrongdoing without evidence. You also have to presume someone within the system and having access still isn't free to do anything with election or registration data on his/her own. It's a perfect way to insure that corruption can't be uncovered. I've never had the impression that the best, brightest, unbiased, or most honest run election systems.
Agreed. The depressing thing is that everyone with at least two brain cells to rub together knew that fraud was occurring watching the video of the Fulton county shenanigans but the Georgia authorities had no motivation to really investigate it. It is like watching a Bank be robbed but you know the cops aren’t even going to respond
 
Ok, I gave you 5 good reasons. You offer nothing. I’ll add safe cities, border security & no new wars. Again you and the joke administration offer nothing. We are run by a ghost President. America has never been more vulnerable than it is today.

Again, you’re a fool. Maybe you’ll grow a brain later in life.
Do you realize you are proving my point?
 
Agreed. The depressing thing is that everyone with at least two brain cells to rub together knew that fraud was occurring watching the video of the Fulton county shenanigans but the Georgia authorities had no motivation to really investigate it. It is like watching a Bank be robbed but you know the cops aren’t even going to respond
I assume that "Fulton County shenanigans" is a reference to the infamous "suitcase" allegations taken from a surveillance video. The reality is that it was investigated, and de-bunked a long time ago. What we consistently see from Trump and Republicans concerning these various allegations, is that there is no shame when they are caught making false allegations. They just move on to the next lie.



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Five fraud claims: What investigators found

Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia

Fact check: Georgia 'suitcase' video is missing context

Two Georgia election workers sue far-right website over false fraud allegations
 
Agreed. The depressing thing is that everyone with at least two brain cells to rub together knew that fraud was occurring watching the video of the Fulton county shenanigans but the Georgia authorities had no motivation to really investigate it. It is like watching a Bank be robbed but you know the cops aren’t even going to respond





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@OrangeTsar ,

You should watch these videos. They completely de-bunk the claims you are repeating ... as does the youtube video in post # 1,321 up above. These are not biased sources either. These are 2 videos from local news stations and a video from 60 Minutes.
 
I assume that "Fulton County shenanigans" is a reference to the infamous "suitcase" allegations taken from a surveillance video. The reality is that it was investigated, and de-bunked a long time ago. What we consistently see from Trump and Republicans concerning these various allegations, is that there is no shame when they are caught making false allegations. They just move on to the next lie.



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Five fraud claims: What investigators found

Surveillance tape breeds false fraud claims in Georgia

Fact check: Georgia 'suitcase' video is missing context

Two Georgia election workers sue far-right website over false fraud allegations

Forgive me if I don’t trust the sources that „investigated“ this. We all saw what we saw, AFTER election observers were kicked out. Bogus claim of „water leak“, announcement that counting was done for the night, observers sent home, suitcases removed from under tables and counting resumes. I might not be as smart as you appear to be, but I ain’t stupid either.
And we all remember this obviously „innocent“ attempt at „transparency“ during the Detroit count 😳
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@OrangeTsar ,

You should watch these videos. They completely de-bunk the claims you are repeating ... as does the youtube video in post # 1,321 up above. These are not biased sources either. These are 2 videos from local news stations and a video from 60 Minutes.

60 minutes unbiased? 😂😂😂
Oh now THAT‘S funny
 

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