Prop 19 revisited

[DinkinFlicka]

Im 16 and im against pot legalization, they say weed isnt a gateway drug, well from personal expierence it is. one thing leads to another, the human mind is curious and will expierement with anything.meh.....

Take another lap around the block, kid. "They" actually say it's a gateway drug, and that issue has been covered here.

Availability & price are the determining factors in making a gateway of a drug.

What's the cheapest drug on the street? Weed.
What's the easiest drug to find on the street? Weed.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Since it is currently illegal the debate would center around the legalization, essentially eliminating the "Why not" part. Hence, another legalize pot thread.

That hardly eliminates the why not argument. There are a large number of people who support and oppose legalizing marijuana. Both sides are kind of required to have a reason for feeling the way they do.

 

[Gramps]

I said I was done with this thread but I must answer this posting

It has nothing to do with his opinion opposing mine... it's the fact that he does so with no personal knowledge on the subject. He's saying drug addiction is to be blamed solely on the substance, which is completely asinine.

You are wrong again.
1. I do have persoanl knowledge on the subject, I wish I didn't but I do.
2. I never said drug addiction is to be blamed soley on the substance ...go back thru my postings and show me where I said that... don't know where you came up with that one.

I never said being an ex-addict made me an expert, but is sure as hell gives me a bit more insight into whether to blame the substance, or the individual using it.


OK champ...

What makes a person become a drug addict or alcoholic?




And if you're seriously asking me why I was insulting him, then you clearly read NONE of his posts. I'm not going to be harped for my theological views and called ridiculous without firing back. Sorry if calling someone out for not knowing jack about which they speak struck a nerve, but that's debate for you.

I was not harping on your theological views. I was discussing the ridiculous statement you made saying that anyone using drugs is not hurting anyone but themselves. I find it out of the ordinary that anyone with a drug problem would make that statement.

You say you were a drug addict... can you honestly say that you never harmed anyone because of your drug addiction?

All of dude's posts were full of Lifetime documentary BS, and I'm not dumb enough to buy into it.

You can call my post anything you want to there chief.

 

[droski]

some people are natural addicts others are not. i don't for a minute believe this gateway drug crap. i MJ didn't exist do we really think that we would have less herion addicts?

 

[droski]

if anything keeping MJ illegal encourages people to use stronger drugs. i.e. they try it, realize it isn't taht bad, and then say "well if MJ is illegal and it isn't that bad maybe X/Y/Z is also not that bad."

 

[Gramps]

some people are natural addicts others are not. i don't for a minute believe this gateway drug crap. i MJ didn't exist do we really think that we would have less herion addicts?

I agree 100%

 

[DinkinFlicka]

You are wrong again.
1. I do have persoanl knowledge on the subject, I wish I didn't but I do.
2. I never said drug addiction is to be blamed soley on the substance ...go back thru my postings and show me where I said that... don't know where you came up with that one.


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You said lack of moderation/self control has nothing to do with it. That only leaves the substance, buddy boy. You can go ahead and backtrack though. I probably would if I lacked viable points.

OK champ...

What makes a person become a drug addict or alcoholic?
.

There are too many reasons to list, but to name a few...

-escapism
-boredom
-lack of willpower
-lack of self-respect
-carelessness

You've pretty much avoided every question I've asked, but I'm gonna give it another shot.

What do YOU think causes a person to become an addict?

If you feel this way about drugs, do you think alcohol should be illegal?

I was not harping on your theological views. .

Oh, really? Who took over your computer and spouted off this little diddy?

You need to pray to God (The one you do not believe in) several times a day that no one you love ever becomes addicted to drugs or alcohol.
.

I was discussing the ridiculous statement you made saying that anyone using drugs is not hurting anyone but themselves. I find it out of the ordinary that anyone with a drug problem would make that statement.

You say you were a drug addict... can you honestly say that you never harmed anyone because of your drug addiction?.

Did I ever physically harm someone because I was blown out of my mind? No.


This is the last time I'm going to say this, so pay attention.

Drugs are no more dangerous to society than alcohol. When I say "Hurt others," I mean to ENDANGER the lives of others. I'm not discussing the collapse of a family, because it's not the government's job to keep our families together by outlawing psychoactives. If these drugs were made legal, it probably wouldn't change the number of drivers under the influence of hard drugs, so the level of endangerment to others wouldn't rise or lower.

but, before I end this post... once again:

What do YOU think causes a person to become an addict?

If you feel this way about drugs, do you think alcohol should be illegal?

 

[droski]

There are too many reasons to list, but to name a few...

-escapism
-boredom
-lack of willpower
-lack of self-respect
-carelessness

You've pretty much avoided every question I've asked, but I'm gonna give it another shot.

What do YOU think causes a person to become an addict?

there is definetely a genetic and chemical inbalance aspect to addiction. no question whatsoever. i do agree that some become addicts just because they are lazy or whatever, but i know from personal experience oh too well that certain things that are genetic like being bipolar and such leads to addiction.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

there is definetely a genetic and chemical inbalance aspect to addiction. no question whatsoever. i do agree that some become addicts just because they are lazy or whatever, but i know from personal experience oh too well that certain things that are genetic like being bipolar and such leads to addiction.

As I said, there are hundreds (probably more)... it's human behaviorism. It's really too complicated to pinpoint.

There are other factors in a person's childhood, too. I once wrote a research paper about the long term effects of childhood ADD/ADHD medication. The statistics of cocaine addicts who were prescribed Ritalin/Adderall and the like as children are mindblowing. It's hard to tell if it's ADD/ADHD, or if it's the years spent taking medication that is so similar to cocaine in terms of chemical composition and physiological effects.

Not trying to digress, but that's a solid example of how complicated it is to find the roots of addictive behavior.

 

[droski]

i'd argue it's fact it runs in families. to me that indicates some sort of chemical inbalance issue for many.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

i'd argue it's fact it runs in families. to me that indicates some sort of chemical inbalance issue for many.

For sure... if mental disorders run in families, then there's no reason that other forms of chemical imbalance couldn't do the same.

 

[Gramps]

You said lack of moderation/self control has nothing to do with it. That only leaves the substance, buddy boy. You can go ahead and backtrack though. I probably would if I lacked viable points.

Not doing any backtracking.
The substance is not the only thing left


There are too many reasons to list, but to name a few...

-escapism
-boredom
-lack of willpower
-lack of self-respect
-carelessness

These are excuses some use to justify drug and/or alcohol use. These are not reasons for addiction.


You've pretty much avoided every question I've asked, but I'm gonna give it another shot.

What do YOU think causes a person to become an addict?

Droski has already told you

It's the chemical and genetic makeup of the body.
It is a disease and it is inherited.


If you feel this way about drugs, do you think alcohol should be illegal?

NO

Oh, really? Who took over your computer and spouted off this little diddy?


I did ... quility as charged and stand behind every word



Did I ever physically harm someone because I was blown out of my mind? No.

you are lucky


This is the last time I'm going to say this, so pay attention.

Drugs are no more dangerous to society than alcohol.

agree
When I say "Hurt others," I mean to ENDANGER the lives of others.

This is where we disagree bigtime. People are endangered and are physically hurt each and every day in America due to someone being messed up on drugs or drunk. That is a fact

I'm not discussing the collapse of a family, because it's not the government's job to keep our families together by outlawing psychoactives. If these drugs were made legal, it probably wouldn't change the number of drivers under the influence of hard drugs, so the level of endangerment to others wouldn't rise or lower.

I agree... glad to see you admit there is a level of endagerment to others . That has been my point all along.


but, before I end this post... once again:

What do YOU think causes a person to become an addict?
see above


If you feel this way about drugs, do you think alcohol should be illegal?

see above
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[Oldvol75]

Oh yes lets make it legal, that way we can watch the truck drivers, bus drivers, heavy equipment operators, etc... all have fun at work! I know for me it would make driving even more fun than just having the drunk drivers to dodge! (extreme sar)

 

[rmsmith]

Oh yes lets make it legal, that way we can watch the truck drivers, bus drivers, heavy equipment operators, etc... all have fun at work! I know for me it would make driving even more fun than just having the drunk drivers to dodge! (extreme sar)

This makes no sense. Drinking is legal, drinking and driving isn't. the same would apply to smoking marijuana.

 

[Oldvol75]

This makes no sense. Drinking is legal, drinking and driving isn't. the same would apply to smoking marijuana.

So people don't drink and drive even though its illegal??? So then people wouldn't drive and smoke either, because it would be illegal to do so?? And it makes no sense?? Really???

 

[rmsmith]

So people don't drink and drive even though its illegal??? So then people wouldn't drive and smoke either, because it would be illegal to do so?? And it makes no sense?? Really???

I'm not saying people don't drink and drive. I'm not saying people wouldn't smoke marijuana and drive. but the same rules should apply across the board. If we are keeping marijuana illegal because of what some people MIGHT do then we are living out of fear.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Wait, when was driving after smoking a joint hazardous? Hell, I pay more attention when I'm taking a green mile. As far as uppers, heavy dissociatives, and psychedelics go, however, it's a dangerous game.

 

[BeecherVol]

Wait, when was driving after smoking a joint hazardous? Hell, I pay more attention when I'm taking a green mile. As far as uppers, heavy dissociatives, and psychedelics go, however, it's a dangerous game.

Does weed get different reactions out of people?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Does weed get different reactions out of people?

Yes.

 

[Infinite_vol615]

I smoked weed for the first time this summer, and 2 months later i found myself buying xanax. if i would have never smoked i fully believe that i would have never wanted to "chase the high" I know myself better then any of you out there, so you cant argue with this. Based on personal expierence weed can lead to other drug use. And i have a feeling that im not an alien and that there is bound to be other people out there like me...

 

[rmsmith]

I smoked weed for the first time this summer, and 2 months later i found myself buying xanax. if i would have never smoked i fully believe that i would have never wanted to "chase the high" I know myself better then any of you out there, so you cant argue with this. Based on personal expierence weed can lead to other drug use. And i have a feeling that im not an alien and that there is bound to be other people out there like me...

No doubt it can.
But on the other hand I smoked it once and haven't touched it again.

 

[Infinite_vol615]

if i was to guess about 7/10 or 8/10 at my highschool smoke weed.. By the time my generation is in control of the gov't it will be legalized...But at what cost?

And i dont touch drugs anymore. never drank in my life and trying to stay away from that too because i have an addictive personality.

 

[tim]

Wait, when was driving after smoking a joint hazardous? Hell, I pay more attention when I'm taking a green mile. As far as uppers, heavy dissociatives, and psychedelics go, however, it's a dangerous game.

One example I personally have is pulling 2 teens out of the trees and watching 3 more getting extricated from a twisted vehicle after an accident where they were all getting high. One survived btw.

This argument you make is put in a clear perspective when you openly admit to driving while high. Please refrain from this as we all have family who travel these same "green miles", as you. Stay home when you choose to get high, please.

 

[rmsmith]

One example I personally have is pulling 2 teens out of the trees and watching 3 more getting extricated from a twisted vehicle after an accident where they were all getting high. One survived btw.

This argument you make is put in a clear perspective when you openly admit to driving while high. Please refrain from this as we all have family who travel these same "green miles", as you. Stay home when you choose to get high, please.

this should be common sense but unfortunately it's not.

 

[Infinite_vol615]

One example I personally have is pulling 2 teens out of the trees and watching 3 more getting extricated from a twisted vehicle after an accident where they were all getting high. One survived btw.

This argument you make is put in a clear perspective when you openly admit to driving while high. Please refrain from this as we all have family who travel these same "green miles", as you. Stay home when you choose to get high, please.

wow, horrible story.